Is Salvation by Jesus alone the only way to heaven?
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Did those unregenerate people who were spiritually dead have faith in Christ and believed that Christ died for their sins before God quickened them to spiritual life in Eph 2? Read Eph 2 and let me know. A child is quickened to a spiritual life the same way as those unregenerate people in Eph 2, or anyone else is.
I disagree. John 6:38 says that Jesus only died for those that his Father gave him. If he died for all mankind, then all mankind has a home in heaven secured for him, because Jesus said that he would not lose any of those he died for and would raise them up at the last day. Would you agree? I assume that you have other scriptures that you think refute John 6:38, but all scriptures must harmonize to understand the doctrine that Jesus taught.
Yes, I believe the repentence comes first, that we need to realize we need a Savior, that being born again comes as a result of accepting and receiving Christ our Saviour. I do agree that would not be possible without the nudging, the calling of Him, if you will. I agree every part of our salvation belongs to the Lord. Jonah made that declaration before being released from the pit of the creature. I make it as well.
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Would you be so kind, as to tell me how you interpret 1 Cor 2:14? After you do, tell me how the natural man who cannot discern spiritual things can believe in spiritual things and how his heart of stone can be pricked to bring him to repentance? When God quickens us to a spiritual life, Eph 2, what takes place is explained in Ezk 36:26.
Do you think that John 3:16 will harmonize with John 6:38? I think that it does, but I interpret John 3:16 differently than you do. If you interpret the word "world" as meaning all mankind, will it harmonize with John 6:38 or with 1 John 2:15. Why would God tell us to not love a world that he says that he "so loves"? unless he is speaking of two different worlds? Thayer's Greek interpretation of the word "world" in John 3:16 is used of believers only, he also says it means the same in John 1:29, 3:17, 6:33, 12:47, 1 Cor 4:9, and 2 Cor 5:19. in This line of thinking, John 6:38, John 3:16 and 1 John 2:15 all harmonize.
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But your ideas are not in harmony with:
Rom 8:
18I consider that our present sufferings are not worth comparing with the glory that will be revealed in us. 19For the creation waits in eager expectation for the children of God to be revealed. 20For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope 21that h the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the freedom and glory of the children of God.
22We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time. 23Not only so, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption to sonship, the redemption of our bodies.
Salvation is for everything including stones.
Rom 8:
18I consider that our present sufferings are not worth comparing with the glory that will be revealed in us. 19For the creation waits in eager expectation for the children of God to be revealed. 20For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope 21that h the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the freedom and glory of the children of God.
22We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time. 23Not only so, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption to sonship, the redemption of our bodies.
Salvation is for everything including stones.
Eph 2 verse 5 explains that "Even when we were Spiritually Dead in sins, hath he quickened (saved eternally) us together with Christ (by grace are ye saved) Before we are quickened we were just like the unregenerate (Spiritually dead) and could not discern anything of a spiritual nature, such as believing in a spiritual God, and we had our old heart before God changed it in the new birth, Ezk 36:26. Our old heart could not be bricked by the Holy Spirit to bring us to repentance. This is the process that God uses to transform the natural man into a spiritual man. Man plays no part in it, that is why it is called "saved eternally by God's grace", without the help of man
Those that God gave to Jesus were made just by his death on the cross, Justified. We are justified by faith, that is true, but by whose faith? The faith (faithfulness) of Christ to obey his Father and submit to go to the cross. Gal 2:16, Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ. Eph 2:8, For by grace are ye saved through faith (of Jesus), not our faith, and that not of yourselves.
You are misinterpreting me, I did not say all children are saved eternally. You must have heard that from someone else beside me. We are all born in natural birth as dead alien sinners and are all born again (saved) in the same manner, both adults and children. My belief from the scriptures is that all children who die in their youth have been born again, because in Psalms 73 it says that the wicked go unpunished by God until the last day and do not die in their youth.
I believe John 6 harmonizes with John 3:16, yes.
If we take your contention, that Jesus came to save only those whom Father God gave to him, then what of that Godly characteristic our Father is said to possess, Omni-Benevolence?
God does all things for the zeal of His own glory. God predestined all things, as we're told throughout the scriptures. If we go with your proposal about Jesus saving only those our eternally knowledgeable Father planned to give him prior to the creation of the world and wrote those names in the Lamb's Book of Life, then what would be the point of Proselytizing? Going forth, as Jesus commanded his Disciples, to bring the Good News to all the world when God, who was Jesus, had already predetermined by name only those persons who would be saved by His free gift of grace.
This would also necessitate the contrary. That God had predetermined before the world came into being by His creative will those who would die in the state of damnation, or sin, that had not yet come into the world because God had not yet created the first people to begin that process under the Law of God given first in Eden.
God being a superior intelligence, laying out all who would come to Christ and giving them to what is essentially Himself as that Savior, would have foreordained who would be saved throughout all time, and conversely whom would be damned. Which would make our part, repentance, unnecessary. Because God had , per your model, it all worked out as to who among the human race His sacrifice on the cross was meant to save.
When those names were in the Lamb's Book of Life before the world came to be, the names of those God meant to be saved, God being a superior power would have in every sense done it all prior to the creation of anything. And we in turn would have to do not one thing since God foreordained our Salvation was secured by name in that book.
If we take your contention, that Jesus came to save only those whom Father God gave to him, then what of that Godly characteristic our Father is said to possess, Omni-Benevolence?
God does all things for the zeal of His own glory. God predestined all things, as we're told throughout the scriptures. If we go with your proposal about Jesus saving only those our eternally knowledgeable Father planned to give him prior to the creation of the world and wrote those names in the Lamb's Book of Life, then what would be the point of Proselytizing? Going forth, as Jesus commanded his Disciples, to bring the Good News to all the world when God, who was Jesus, had already predetermined by name only those persons who would be saved by His free gift of grace.
This would also necessitate the contrary. That God had predetermined before the world came into being by His creative will those who would die in the state of damnation, or sin, that had not yet come into the world because God had not yet created the first people to begin that process under the Law of God given first in Eden.
God being a superior intelligence, laying out all who would come to Christ and giving them to what is essentially Himself as that Savior, would have foreordained who would be saved throughout all time, and conversely whom would be damned. Which would make our part, repentance, unnecessary. Because God had , per your model, it all worked out as to who among the human race His sacrifice on the cross was meant to save.
When those names were in the Lamb's Book of Life before the world came to be, the names of those God meant to be saved, God being a superior power would have in every sense done it all prior to the creation of anything. And we in turn would have to do not one thing since God foreordained our Salvation was secured by name in that book.
