Is Salvation by Jesus alone the only way to heaven?
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Oh, but according to your interpretation of singular texts that you reference post and post again so as to defend your salvation formula that says, Jesus died on the cross to save only those God had already given him, must include the converse for balance.
You did not know nor calculate this when you came up with your salvation formula as you did?
If Jesus died only for those the Father had given him, then that would mean Jesus did not die for those the Father did not give unto Him. And that means those one's are then not saved an shall die in their sins. As God willed when you argue the Father's grace extended only to those whom He wanted saved and therein sent Jesus to die only for those God gave Him to save.
You did not know nor calculate this when you came up with your salvation formula as you did?
If Jesus died only for those the Father had given him, then that would mean Jesus did not die for those the Father did not give unto Him. And that means those one's are then not saved an shall die in their sins. As God willed when you argue the Father's grace extended only to those whom He wanted saved and therein sent Jesus to die only for those God gave Him to save.
You mean like this;
Romans 9:11-24
11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth
12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
Romans 9:11-24
11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth
12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
You mean like this;
Romans 9:11-24
11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth
12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
Romans 9:11-24
11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth
12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
Either God is wrong or you all are.
God predetermined all things according to His zeal for his own glory.
However, if he predetermined who would be saved then he predetermined whom He would judge worthy of Hell.
I don't think that is true.
Whosoever believes in Christ shall not perish but have everlasting Life.
No problems with that.
John 3:27 John answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven.
Think about the implications of that for a moment.
Now lets go to Romans 9 again
Romans 9:16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
Whosoever believes in Christ shall not perish but have everlasting Life.
No problems with that.
John 3:27 John answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven.
Think about the implications of that for a moment.
Now lets go to Romans 9 again
Romans 9:16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
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And yet there is no harmony, as that word has been used in this discussion more than once, there when we recall verse 16 of chapter 3 in the Book of John.
16 3779 [e]
16 Houtōs
16 Οὕτως
16 Thus
16 Adv
1063 [e]
gar
γὰρ
for
Conj
25 [e]
ēgapēsen
ἠγάπησεν
loved
V-AIA-3S
3588 [e]
ho
ὁ
-
Art-NMS
2316 [e]
Theos
Θεὸς
God
N-NMS
3588 [e]
ton
τὸν
the
Art-AMS
2889 [e]
kosmon
κόσμον ,
world
N-AMS
5620 [e]
hōste
ὥστε
that
Conj
3588 [e]
ton
τὸν
the
Art-AMS
5207 [e]
Huion
Υἱὸν ,
Son
N-AMS
3588 [e]
ton
τὸν
the
Art-AMS
3439 [e]
monogenē
μονογενῆ ,
only begotten
Adj-AMS
1325 [e]
edōken
ἔδωκεν ,
He gave
V-AIA-3S
2443 [e]
hina
ἵνα
so that
Conj
3956 [e]
pas
πᾶς
everyone
Adj-NMS
3588 [e]
ho
ὁ
-
Art-NMS
4100 [e]
pisteuōn
πιστεύων
believing
V-PPA-NMS
1519 [e]
eis
εἰς
in
Prep
846 [e]
auton
αὐτὸν
Him
PPro-AM3S
3361 [e]
mē
μὴ
not
Adv
622 [e]
apolētai
ἀπόληται ,
should perish
V-ASM-3S
235 [e]
all’
ἀλλ’
but
Conj
2192 [e]
echē
ἔχῃ
should have
V-PSA-3S
2222 [e]
zōēn
ζωὴν
life
N-AFS
166 [e]
aiōnion
αἰώνιον .
eternal
Adj-AFS
For those following this discussion in particular, at least one denomination teaches that Jesus did not die for all people. Calvinism.
Jesus death was sufficient for everyone yet it was not intended to save everyone.
16 3779 [e]
16 Houtōs
16 Οὕτως
16 Thus
16 Adv
1063 [e]
gar
γὰρ
for
Conj
25 [e]
ēgapēsen
ἠγάπησεν
loved
V-AIA-3S
3588 [e]
ho
ὁ
-
Art-NMS
2316 [e]
Theos
Θεὸς
God
N-NMS
3588 [e]
ton
τὸν
the
Art-AMS
2889 [e]
kosmon
κόσμον ,
world
N-AMS
5620 [e]
hōste
ὥστε
that
Conj
3588 [e]
ton
τὸν
the
Art-AMS
5207 [e]
Huion
Υἱὸν ,
Son
N-AMS
3588 [e]
ton
τὸν
the
Art-AMS
3439 [e]
monogenē
μονογενῆ ,
only begotten
Adj-AMS
1325 [e]
edōken
ἔδωκεν ,
He gave
V-AIA-3S
2443 [e]
hina
ἵνα
so that
Conj
3956 [e]
pas
πᾶς
everyone
Adj-NMS
3588 [e]
ho
ὁ
-
Art-NMS
4100 [e]
pisteuōn
πιστεύων
believing
V-PPA-NMS
1519 [e]
eis
εἰς
in
Prep
846 [e]
auton
αὐτὸν
Him
PPro-AM3S
3361 [e]
mē
μὴ
not
Adv
622 [e]
apolētai
ἀπόληται ,
should perish
V-ASM-3S
235 [e]
all’
ἀλλ’
but
Conj
2192 [e]
echē
ἔχῃ
should have
V-PSA-3S
2222 [e]
zōēn
ζωὴν
life
N-AFS
166 [e]
aiōnion
αἰώνιον .
eternal
Adj-AFS
For those following this discussion in particular, at least one denomination teaches that Jesus did not die for all people. Calvinism.
Jesus death was sufficient for everyone yet it was not intended to save everyone.
Sure there is.
John 3:27 John answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven.
John 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
2 Corinthians 3:5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;
John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Romans 9:16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
Ephesians 2:8-9
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Do any of those scriptures make John 3:16 untrue?? No.
It might do something to your INTERPRETATION of what you THINK John 3:16 is saying.
But they don't make John 3:16 untrue.
John 3:27 John answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven.
John 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
2 Corinthians 3:5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;
John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Romans 9:16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
Ephesians 2:8-9
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Do any of those scriptures make John 3:16 untrue?? No.
It might do something to your INTERPRETATION of what you THINK John 3:16 is saying.
But they don't make John 3:16 untrue.
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Far from it, and what are you?
John 6:38 says it was not sufficient for everyone. Christ was a sacrifice offering for the elect's sins only and the sacrifice was offered to God for God's approval and not to man for man's approval' Your scripture references do not harmonize with all of the other scriptures.
John 6:38 says it was not sufficient for everyone. Christ was a sacrifice offering for the elect's sins only and the sacrifice was offered to God for God's approval and not to man for man's approval' Your scripture references do not harmonize with all of the other scriptures.
