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CharliRenee

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I am now back in the book of Numbers and learning the tribes, the banners, and the encamping around the temple. It is incredibly exciting to see the physical picture forming of the Ezekial and revelation description of the throne...

I am thrilled as I have so so so much to learn.

Do you like the book of numbers?

I have yet to understand the numbers. The bible is very specific in the call to take a census in that time. I have yet to understand what to glean from the numbers themselves.

As I see the structure in numbers, from the role and placement of the levites, to the military of tribes surrounding them, I am reminded how important our calling is with regards to serving others, working together for the cause of God, rather than just moving inwardly with regards to our own personal salvation.
 

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One thing I remember from Numbers is how the Israelites camped.

If you plot out how the tribes were placed you can see that the way they were camped is in the shape of the cross.

So everywhere they were camped, if viewed from a long distance away, it would look like a big cross.


Which may give you something to think about when you come across the story of Balaam. Which is in Numbers, too.
 

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One thing I remember from Numbers is how the Israelites camped.

If you plot out how the tribes were placed you can see that the way they were camped is in the shape of the cross.

So everywhere they were camped, if viewed from a long distance away, it would look like a big cross.


Which may give you something to think about when you come across the story of Balaam. Which is in Numbers, too.
Thank you so much. I will do just that, think about that as I continue reading. Yes, I see the cross and found it to be so empowering to our faith to see that, huh? Soooo incredibly cool.
 

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Thank you so much. I will do just that... Yes, I see the cross and found it to be so empowering to our faith to see that, huh? Soooo incredibly cool.
I thought so too!!!

Not sure if you have read Numbers before, but wait till you come across Baalam! (Further along in Numbers)
 

CharliRenee

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I thought so too!!!

Not sure if you have read Numbers before, but wait till you come across Baalam! (Further along in Numbers)
I have looked at the donkey story but not closely like I am seeking to do now. I am trying to do a verse by verse study, best as I can. I need His help, clearly. The actual numbers are going over my head, to be honest.
 

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When you look at the types and shadows of the OT its just absolutely AMAZING how it all weaves in together. I mean, 40days in the wilderness, Jonah in the belly, Melchizedek priesthood and type of the communion, first Eve failed, second Eve (Mary) obeyed, first Adam failed, second Adam (Jesus) didnt, baptized in the red sea, baptized into Christ, all the feasts and festivals that Jesus has fulfilled and WILL fulfill. (NEXT UP: Feast of trumpets, the resurrection, LAST TRUMPET)

I love the book of numbers! Few things to mention: Aaron as a high priest, typifies Christ, the bronze serpent is mentioned as a type of faith in Christ in John 3. AND MANY MORE. There are entire books written on typology!
 

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I have looked at the donkey story but not closely like I am seeking to do now. I am trying to do a verse by verse study, best as I can. I need His help, clearly. The actual numbers are going over my head, to be honest.
I read Numbers several times before I saw anything really.

But each time I saw something new. Which is cool about the Word.


The donkey story is cool. But I was actually talking about later in Numbers where some dude asks Baalam to curse Israel.

He was an important guy but I can't remember his name... Like a king or a prince...
 

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When you look at the types and shadows of the OT its just absolutely AMAZING how it all weaves in together. I mean, 40days in the wilderness, Jonah in the belly, Melchizedek priesthood and type of the communion, first Eve failed, second Eve (Mary) obeyed, first Adam failed, second Adam (Jesus) didnt, baptized in the red sea, baptized into Christ, all the feasts and festivals that Jesus has fulfilled and WILL fulfill. (NEXT UP: Feast of trumpets, the resurrection, LAST TRUMPET)

I love the book of numbers! Few things to mention: Aaron as a high priest, typifies Christ, the bronze serpent is mentioned as a type of faith in Christ in John 3. AND MANY MORE. There are entire books written on typology!
Yes yes yes, it all come together so beautifully, huh? I had no idea how much so and also how much typology was in the OT, how we see Christ, His cross, the gospels, all of it throughout the OT. Hevo, bro, you seem to be really digging in, on fire. Awesome to witness. I am not sure, though, that I understand the bronze serpent as a type of faith yet. I am not far enough along in numbers I suppose.
 

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I read Numbers several times before I saw anything really.

But each time I saw something new. Which is cool about the Word.


The donkey story is cool. But I was actually talking about later in Numbers where some dude asks Baalam to curse Israel.

He was an important guy but I can't remember his name... Like a king or a prince...
Ok, so I will be keeping this in mind as I move forward...

So everywhere they were camped, if viewed from a long distance away, it would look like a big cross.


Which may give you something to think about when you come across the story of Balaam. Which is in Numbers, too.

Thanks again...:D
 

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I am now back in the book of Numbers and learning the tribes, the banners, and the encamping around the temple.
The Hebrew title of Numbers is Bemidbar, which means "in the wilderness". That is found in the first verse of the first chapter, which literally reads as below:
And spoke Yahweh to Moses in the wilderness of Sinai, in the tabernacle of meeting, on the first day of the second month, in the second year after they had come out of the land of Egypt, saying...

וַיְדַבֵּ֨ר יְהוָ֧ה אֶל־ מֹשֶׁ֛ה בְּמִדְבַּ֥ר סִינַ֖י בְּאֹ֣הֶל מֹועֵ֑ד בְּאֶחָד֩ לַחֹ֨דֶשׁ הַשֵּׁנִ֜י בַּשָּׁנָ֣ה הַשֵּׁנִ֗ית לְצֵאתָ֛ם מֵאֶ֥רֶץ מִצְרַ֖יִם לֵאמֹֽר׃
(to be read from right to left)

The King James Bible 2000 has rendered this closest to the Hebrew:
And the LORD spoke unto Moses in the wilderness of Sinai, in the tabernacle of meeting, on the first day of the second month, in the second year after they were come out of the land of Egypt, saying,...

"In the wilderness" is an apt title for this book. While the census was important, what happened in the wilderness was even more important, and there are several significant incidents reported.
 

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The Hebrew title of Numbers is Bemidbar, which means "in the wilderness". That is found in the first verse of the first chapter, which literally reads as below:
And spoke Yahweh to Moses in the wilderness of Sinai, in the tabernacle of meeting, on the first day of the second month, in the second year after they had come out of the land of Egypt, saying...

וַיְדַבֵּ֨ר יְהוָ֧ה אֶל־ מֹשֶׁ֛ה בְּמִדְבַּ֥ר סִינַ֖י בְּאֹ֣הֶל מֹועֵ֑ד בְּאֶחָד֩ לַחֹ֨דֶשׁ הַשֵּׁנִ֜י בַּשָּׁנָ֣ה הַשֵּׁנִ֗ית לְצֵאתָ֛ם מֵאֶ֥רֶץ מִצְרַ֖יִם לֵאמֹֽר׃
(to be read from right to left)

The King James Bible 2000 has rendered this closest to the Hebrew:
And the LORD spoke unto Moses in the wilderness of Sinai, in the tabernacle of meeting, on the first day of the second month, in the second year after they were come out of the land of Egypt, saying,...

"In the wilderness" is an apt title for this book. While the census was important, what happened in the wilderness was even more important, and there are several significant incidents reported.
Thanks Nehemiah, helpful to keep in mind as not to get too sidetracked with the specific numbers.
 
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I have looked at the donkey story but not closely like I am seeking to do now. I am trying to do a verse by verse study, best as I can. I need His help, clearly. The actual numbers are going over my head, to be honest.
The word of God is above every man head. I think we are all on a learning curve.

When looking at Balaam's donkey . A good understanding of the basic use of ceremonial laws are necessary to help us understand how and why they are used and how they relate to the gospel understanding .

Why animals as clean or unclean? What do they represent as used in those kind of laws to reprtesent beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow?
 
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The Hebrew title of Numbers is Bemidbar, which means "in the wilderness". That is found in the first verse of the first chapter, which literally reads as below:
And spoke Yahweh to Moses in the wilderness of Sinai, in the tabernacle of meeting, on the first day of the second month, in the second year after they had come out of the land of Egypt, saying...

וַיְדַבֵּ֨ר יְהוָ֧ה אֶל־ מֹשֶׁ֛ה בְּמִדְבַּ֥ר סִינַ֖י בְּאֹ֣הֶל מֹועֵ֑ד בְּאֶחָד֩ לַחֹ֨דֶשׁ הַשֵּׁנִ֜י בַּשָּׁנָ֣ה הַשֵּׁנִ֗ית לְצֵאתָ֛ם מֵאֶ֥רֶץ מִצְרַ֖יִם לֵאמֹֽר׃
(to be read from right to left)

The King James Bible 2000 has rendered this closest to the Hebrew:
And the LORD spoke unto Moses in the wilderness of Sinai, in the tabernacle of meeting, on the first day of the second month, in the second year after they were come out of the land of Egypt, saying,...

"In the wilderness" is an apt title for this book. While the census was important, what happened in the wilderness was even more important, and there are several significant incidents reported.
Thanks for that meaning of Numbers.

Would you say the wilderness represent the temporal as under the Sun? Our journey as Ambassadors for Christ sent form a foreign land, where Christian have there citizenship? ?
 

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I am now back in the book of Numbers and learning the tribes, the banners, and the encamping around the temple. It is incredibly exciting to see the physical picture forming of the Ezekial and revelation description of the throne...

I am thrilled as I have so so so much to learn.

Do you like the book of numbers?

I have yet to understand the numbers. The bible is very specific in the call to take a census in that time. I have yet to understand what to glean from the numbers themselves.

As I see the structure in numbers, from the role and placement of the levites, to the military of tribes surrounding them, I am reminded how important our calling is with regards to serving others, working together for the cause of God, rather than just moving inwardly with regards to our own personal salvation.
I like the book of Numbers because that is the book with the talking donkey.
 
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One thing I remember from Numbers is how the Israelites camped.

If you plot out how the tribes were placed you can see that the way they were camped is in the shape of the cross.

So everywhere they were camped, if viewed from a long distance away, it would look like a big cross.


Which may give you something to think about when you come across the story of Balaam. Which is in Numbers, too.
Yep what Balaam saw was this

 

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Do you like the book of numbers?
Yes (y)

It has one of my very favorite passages in it too.

Numbers 6
24 The LORD bless you and keep you;
25 The LORD make His face shine upon you,
And be gracious to you;
26 The LORD lift up His countenance upon you,

And give you peace.

~Deut
 

CharliRenee

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Yes (y)

It has one of my very favorite passages in it too.

Numbers 6
24 The LORD bless you and keep you;
25 The LORD make His face shine upon you,
And be gracious to you;
26 The LORD lift up His countenance upon you,
And give you peace.

~Deut
Such a comforting passage.
 

CharliRenee

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The word of God is above every man head. I think we are all on a learning curve.

When looking at Balaam's donkey . A good understanding of the basic use of ceremonial laws are necessary to help us understand how and why they are used and how they relate to the gospel understanding .

Why animals as clean or unclean? What do they represent as used in those kind of laws to reprtesent beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow?
I think so much of the clean and unclean animals represent our condition before and after Jesus, showing us the holiness of Christ and God. Honestly garee, I do not know for sure.

Thanks for saying we are on a learning curve. I see humility in that response, something I always see as a blessing.