Galatian Conundrums

[Guojing]

Yeah. It seems so clear to me.

I don't even realize the different ways people interpret scripture until I see their thoughts.

Sometimes they make sense and sometimes they don't.


So, even though there is neither jew nor greek but we are all one in Christ Jesus and BECAUSE we are Christs we are Abrahams seed and Heirs according to Gods Promise you still think that God says its ok to reject Christ? And that He will reward a certain people group for doing so? Because, according to your interpretation, God gave them a physical land promise?

Wasn't that land promise to/through Abraham?? Paul says we are Heirs according to Gods Promise through Abraham BECAUSE we are Christs.

So how can it have been a promise only to physical jews?


Just bringing up things for you to think about. As long as you believe Paul. If you don't believe Paul then this wouldn't matter.

Paul stated that God has not forsaken the Jews in romans 11 and his calling is irrevocable.

How that is going to play out is something all of us have to wait and see.

It’s not surprising to me. After all no one could understand fully how the cross ended up to be such a wonderful plan to save all mankind from their sins, until Paul explained it for us

 

[Guojing]

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As for those who were held in high esteem — whatever they were makes no difference to me; God does not show favoritism — they added nothing to my message. ​

(Galatians 2:6)​

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• there is no partiality with God
• the other apostles had exactly the same gospel which was revealed to Paul

The gospel of the kingdom requires strict obedience to the law of Moses, so it cannot be the same

 

[Grandpa]

Paul stated that God has not forsaken the Jews in romans 11 and his calling is irrevocable.

How that is going to play out is something all of us have to wait and see.

It’s not surprising to me. After all no one could understand fully how the cross ended up to be such a wonderful plan to save all mankind from their sins, until Paul explained it for us

Roger that.

It will be interesting indeed.

 

[posthuman]

 

[posthuman]

The gospel of the kingdom requires strict obedience to the law of Moses, so it cannot be the same

The law and the prophets were until John.
Since that time the kingdom of God has been preached, and everyone is pressing into it.​

(Luke 16:16) ​

 

[FollowtheShepherd]

The law and the prophets were until John. ​

Since that time the kingdom of God has been preached, and everyone is pressing into it.​

(Luke 16:16) ​

One more verse?

Luke 16:17 But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one dot of the Law to become void.

 

[Guojing]

The law and the prophets were until John. ​

Since that time the kingdom of God has been preached, and everyone is pressing into it.​

(Luke 16:16) ​

Jesus himself preached obedience to the law during the 4 gospels so that already showed you misunderstood what was being said.

He is saying that the law and the prophets foretold of a coming king. When John arrived, he heralded the presence of the king himself, Jesus.

The king was among them finally and the Jews needed to accept him as their king in order to usher in the kingdom.

The law of Moses must still be kept

 

[Guojing]

One more verse?

Luke 16:17 But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one dot of the Law to become void.

I agree with you. Jesus magnified the law of Moses during the time he was walking among the Jews

 

[FollowtheShepherd]

I agree with you. Jesus magnified the law of Moses during the time he was walking among the Jews

But do you believe that post resurrection that does not apply?

John 14:23-26, " 23 Jesus answered him, “If anyone loves me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. 24 Whoever does not love me does not keep my words. And the word that you hear is not mine but the Father's who sent me. 25 “These things I have spoken to you while I am still with you. 26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.

or that there is a differnt way for Jews and Gentiles?

John 10:16, "And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to My voice. So there will be one flock, one Shepherd"

and sent the 12 to ALL people, Jew and Gentile:

Acts 1:6-8, " 6 So when they had come together, they asked him, “Lord, will you at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?” 7 He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or seasons that the Father has fixed by his own authority. 8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”

 

[Guojing]

But do you believe that post resurrection that does not apply?

John 14:23-26, " 23 Jesus answered him, “If anyone loves me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. 24 Whoever does not love me does not keep my words. And the word that you hear is not mine but the Father's who sent me. 25 “These things I have spoken to you while I am still with you. 26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.

or that there is a differnt way for Jews and Gentiles?

John 10:16, "And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to My voice. So there will be one flock, one Shepherd"

and sent the 12 to ALL people, Jew and Gentile:

Acts 1:6-8, " 6 So when they had come together, they asked him, “Lord, will you at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?” 7 He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or seasons that the Father has fixed by his own authority. 8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”

Who was Jesus ministering to while he was walking on earth?

Who was raised by Jesus specifically to reach the gentiles?

 

[FollowtheShepherd]

Who was Jesus ministering to while he was walking on earth?

Who was raised by Jesus specifically to reach the gentiles?

I see you ignoed my questions.1 Fact is Jesus sent His chosen 12 to gentiles and Jews, and told them to teach what He taught them while He was in the flesh. For the is "one flock, one Shepherd" To prove all points I just made see verses below:

But do you believe that post resurrection that does not apply?

John 14:23-26, " 23 Jesus answered him, “If anyone loves me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. 24 Whoever does not love me does not keep my words. And the word that you hear is not mine but the Father's who sent me. 25 “These things I have spoken to you while I am still with you. 26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.

or that there is a differnt way for Jews and Gentiles?

John 10:16, "And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to My voice. So there will be one flock, one Shepherd"

and sent the 12 to ALL people, Jew and Gentile:

Acts 1:6-8, " 6 So when they had come together, they asked him, “Lord, will you at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?” 7 He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or seasons that the Father has fixed by his own authority. 8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”

 

[Guojing]

I see you ignoed my questions.1 Fact is Jesus sent His chosen 12 to gentiles and Jews, and told them to teach what He taught them while He was in the flesh. For the is "one flock, one Shepherd" To prove all points I just made see verses below:

But do you believe that post resurrection that does not apply?

John 14:23-26, " 23 Jesus answered him, “If anyone loves me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. 24 Whoever does not love me does not keep my words. And the word that you hear is not mine but the Father's who sent me. 25 “These things I have spoken to you while I am still with you. 26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.

or that there is a differnt way for Jews and Gentiles?

John 10:16, "And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to My voice. So there will be one flock, one Shepherd"

and sent the 12 to ALL people, Jew and Gentile:

Acts 1:6-8, " 6 So when they had come together, they asked him, “Lord, will you at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?” 7 He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or seasons that the Father has fixed by his own authority. 8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”

Surely you don’t want to repeat the discussion we already had in this thread regarding this? 🤣

But it’s interesting that post human and you disagree regarding this, even though both of you disagree with me as well 🤣

 

[FollowtheShepherd]

Surely you don’t want to repeat the discussion we already had in this thread regarding this? 🤣

Why so you can ignore Jesus words again and post cool emojis?

Jesus says:

Mat 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My teachings will not pass away.”

 

[Guojing]

Why so you can ignore Jesus words again and post cool emojis?

Jesus says:

Mat 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My teachings will not pass away.”

I have already stated. Paul words are the words of the ascended Christ to us non Jews 🤣

 

[FollowtheShepherd]

I have already stated. Paul words are the words of the ascended Christ to us non Jews 🤣

Ascended CHrist?

John 14:23-26, " 23 Jesus answered him, “If anyone loves me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. 24 Whoever does not love me does not keep my words. And the word that you hear is not mine but the Father's who sent me. 25 “These things I have spoken to you while I am still with you. 26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.

Jesus and Peter say different:

Acts 15:6-7, “So the apostles and the elders met to consider this statement. After a lengthy debate, Peter stood up and said to them, “Brothers, you know that in the early days God chose me to be the one among you through whom the Gentiles would hear the message of the gospel and believe."

To the chosen disciples:

Acts 1:6-8, “6 So when they had come together, they asked Him, saying, “Master, would You at this time restore the reign to Yisra’ĕl?” 7 And He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or seasons which the Father has put in His own authority. 8 “But you shall receive power when the Set-apart Spirit has come upon you, and you shall be My witnesses in Yerushalayim, and in all Yehuḏah and Shomeron, and to the end of the earth.”

To the chosen disciples:

Luke 24:44-49, " 44 Then he said to them, “These are my words that I spoke to you while I was still with you, that everything written about me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled.” 45 Then he opened their minds to understand the Scriptures, 46 and said to them, “Thus it is written, that the Christ should suffer and on the third day rise from the dead, 47 and that repentance and forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem. 48 You are witnesses of these things. 49 And behold, I am sending the promise of my Father upon you. But stay in the city until you are clothed with power from on high.”

 

[posthuman]

One more verse?

Luke 16:17 But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one dot of the Law to become void.

should this be quoted without v. 16?

the fact that immediately beforehand He says the law & prophets were until John, but now everyone is pressing into the kingdom of God, makes this a absolutely amazing thing to declare!

 

[posthuman]

Jesus himself preached obedience to the law during the 4 gospels so that already showed you misunderstood what was being said.

the fact that i quoted Jesus means i misunderstood Him?

that's novel. but you, who thinks Jesus preaches a different gospel than His own apostle, surely understand perfectly

 

[Guojing]

Ascended CHrist?

John 14:23-26, " 23 Jesus answered him, “If anyone loves me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. 24 Whoever does not love me does not keep my words. And the word that you hear is not mine but the Father's who sent me. 25 “These things I have spoken to you while I am still with you. 26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.

Jesus and Peter say different:

Acts 15:6-7, “So the apostles and the elders met to consider this statement. After a lengthy debate, Peter stood up and said to them, “Brothers, you know that in the early days God chose me to be the one among you through whom the Gentiles would hear the message of the gospel and believe."

To the chosen disciples:

Acts 1:6-8, “6 So when they had come together, they asked Him, saying, “Master, would You at this time restore the reign to Yisra’ĕl?” 7 And He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or seasons which the Father has put in His own authority. 8 “But you shall receive power when the Set-apart Spirit has come upon you, and you shall be My witnesses in Yerushalayim, and in all Yehuḏah and Shomeron, and to the end of the earth.”

To the chosen disciples:

Luke 24:44-49, " 44 Then he said to them, “These are my words that I spoke to you while I was still with you, that everything written about me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled.” 45 Then he opened their minds to understand the Scriptures, 46 and said to them, “Thus it is written, that the Christ should suffer and on the third day rise from the dead, 47 and that repentance and forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem. 48 You are witnesses of these things. 49 And behold, I am sending the promise of my Father upon you. But stay in the city until you are clothed with power from on high.”

You bet me these passages, and I "raise you" 2 Cor 5:16

Therefore, from now on, we regard no one according to the flesh. Even though we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know Him thus no longer.

Look we are going to be ping ponging between different verses here. I respect that you are a "Red letter Christian" and I am fine with that. We can agree to disagree here.

 

[Guojing]

the fact that i quoted Jesus means i misunderstood Him?

that's novel. but you, who thinks Jesus preaches a different gospel than His own apostle, surely understand perfectly

I have already addressed this point elsewhere in this thread here, you may want to read it and understand if you wish, that is your choice.

https://christianchat.com/threads/galatian-conundrums.187224/post-4035959

 

[garee]

You must have misunderstood me. Im saying that is NOT true, YOU asked me what "Paulinisim" or "Pauliene Christianity" was and I told you what see. I said it is a false view but none the less people through history and today hold this or wery similar views.
If you are not saying that "like I beleive it" why then explin to me why it's wrong and say "Why puff up Paul above that which is written?" I am not doing that.

So bottom line Jesus words are above all ACCORDING to the word of God:

Deuteronomy 18:18-19, " 18 I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers. And I will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I command him. 19 And whoever will not listen to my words that he shall speak in my name, I myself will require it of him.

Acts 3:22-23, " 22 Moses said, ‘The Lord God will raise up for you a prophet like me from your brothers. You shall listen to him in whatever he tells you. 23 And it shall be that every soul who does not listen to that prophet shall be destroyed from the people.’

John 14:23-26, " 23 Jesus answered him, “If anyone loves me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. 24 Whoever does not love me does not keep my words. And the word that you hear is not mine but the Father's who sent me. 25 “These things I have spoken to you while I am still with you. 26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.

John 12:48, “He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day.”

Sorry for the idea of accusing you. Good use of verses.