Many Christians are habitually refusing to admit error

[7seasrekeyed]

Actually, I think suffering IS part of the marital relationship.

Marriage is meant to be a reflection of the loving union that Jesus has for the Church.

And he suffered for the Church.

Too many have forgotten (or never knew) that marriage is a model related to Jesus and the Church.

He didn't bail out on the Cross either.

Suffering is an integral part of the Christian life in general, let alone the family/marital relationship.

ouch

please supply the verse for suffering is a part of marriage

you are welcome to it of course and if that is part of your marriage, I might understand why you think that way

it seems to me more like any other relationship...living stones

and something about men loving their wives I believe?

Too many have forgotten (or never knew) that marriage is a model related to Jesus and the Church.

really? and you have the poll you conducted to show that?

just one outrageous comment after another

this is a forum, as I like to remind people

hardly the place where a person should form concrete opinons

more like an exchange and sometimes a curiosity shop

 

[JamOn]

guess again


hey listen...who brought up personal trainers?

you are all over the place and honestly, I am very very far from the personal comments you seem to want to engage in

lovely rabbit trail though

I know you got such lovely wise cracks and your a master at It and enjoy it.

physical therapist are personal trainers too. you the one who infested that gyms that all personal trainers are fit, yes you might have only seen in your area fit people but that doesn’t all personal trainers are fit.

do you ever say anything with out the wise cracks or is that just who you are a joker.

 

[JamOn]

I remember the old seven seas and you were not so smirky, I guess you took on a whole new persona

 

[7seasrekeyed]

I know you got such lovely wise cracks and your a master at It and enjoy it.

physical therapist are personal trainers too. you the one who infested that gyms that all personal trainers are fit, yes you might have only seen in your area fit people but that doesn’t all personal trainers are fit.

do you ever say anything with out the wise cracks or is that just who you are a joker.

you have some kind of personal chip on your shoulder it would seem

you can either understand I am not being personally demeaning or you can continue with said chip

I don't know what you remember or who you actually are or were, but I have ALWAYS used humor and funny memes

get over it

and I have also been very serious here so your memory is faulty it would seem

enjoy your next rabbit trail with the next person you spin into your personal vortex

 

[JamOn]

this is too funny

seriously

it is

sounds like going for counselling to a marriage counsellor that has been divorced a few times

Nice smug face here’s a few more

 

[JamOn]

you have some kind of personal chip on your shoulder it would seem

you can either understand I am not being personally demeaning or you can continue with said chip

I don't know what you remember or who you actually are or were, but I have ALWAYS used humor and funny memes

get over it

and I have also been very serious here so your memory is faulty it would seem

enjoy your next rabbit trail with the next person you spin into your personal vortex

You came in the thread and posted about what I said, and you can enjoy your own personal rabbit holes.

you started with the chip

 

[Nehemiah6]

I don't think we can tell someone else what the truth is, for that is a discovery that each person must make.

Since the Bible gives us God's truth, why is this a problem? The Gospel is not a discovery but a PROCLAMATION. And we have to begin with the Gospel.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Have you ever not been supported in your position by the scriptures?

The short answer is "No". And if someone thinks otherwise, they are welcome to quote from my posts. Why would any Christian fail to support what he or she believes without what the Bible says?

 

[Nehemiah6]

Providing Scripture does not necessarily support a position. Scripture can be quoted out of context.

I already addressed this in the OP. Taking Scripture out of context means that there was no real support.

 

[SpoonJuly]

Scripture is always the final arbiter of the truth. And it should become obvious to any third party as to who has solid scriptural support and who does not.

I agree with what you said here, but--
It is not always that easy.
You and I may disagree what a Scripture states because our understanding is different.
So I ask again--
Who is the one refusing to admit error?
There are just to many on this forum who call all who disagree with them as in error.
Simple truth is that both can not be right but both may be wrong and often are.

I would never say that you refuse to admit error and therefore sin greatly when we disagree but maybe you feel you have that athority.

 

[Guojing]

I wasn’t taught anything about scripture when I was young

The term young is a relative term. When you are already 50, 45 is when you are young

 

[JamOn]

The term young is a relative term. When you are already 50, 45 is when you are young

I don’t know your age though probably more than me at 51 I’m guessing since you say 45/50 is young, I thought you meant like under 18 or something like that

 

[Whispered]

The short answer is "No". And if someone thinks otherwise, they are welcome to quote from my posts. Why would any Christian fail to support what he or she believes without what the Bible says?

How do you know your understanding of the scripture you offer to support your personal point does so? You could be wrong.

 

[Whispered]

Is this a stealth Bible translation thread?

I wish.

 

[tourist]

I am very proud of my humility. 😉

Very witty post. Would make a good entry in the Serious thread. Seriously.

 

[garee]

Actually, I think suffering IS part of the marital relationship.

Marriage is meant to be a reflection of the loving union that Jesus has for the Church.

And he suffered for the Church.

Yes he set the example.

The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven. A dying corrupted creation. In this world there is daily tribulation . We can suffer for doing right or suffer for doing wrong. No one escapes.


The first work of Love. Love suferers long making way for the second aspect. love is Kind. If it does not suffer thier is no way to be kind and tender hearted . Arm ourselves with suffering. But on the whole armor of God.

LOL Wives can be quite the task masters when looking for Christ in their husbands.

1 Peter 4:1 Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;

 

[Nehemiah6]

How do you know your understanding of the scripture you offer to support your personal point does so? You could be wrong.

The Holy Spirit will convince other Christians through what is revealed in the Bible whether one is presenting the truth or not. We are not left to our own devices, but the Holy Spirit is the Divine Teacher of every child of God.

Let's take the Bible truth that Jesus is God. Is that plainly stated in Scripture? Absolutely. So how do we know this? From many passages, but one of the clearest is Hebrews 1:8,9: But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

1. Who is addressing the Son of God? God the Father

2. Does the Father call the Son "God"? Absolutely

3. Does the Father confirm the eternal throne of the Son? Absolutely

4. And yet is God the Father the God and Father of Jesus Christ? Absolutely

5. Who are the "fellows" of Christ? They are the partners or partakers or sharers with Christ, and that means all the children of God.

6. Can these things be comprehended with the natural mind? No

7. Will all genuine children of God agree that Jesus is God? Absolutely.

 

[maxwel]

I don't think we can tell someone else what the truth is, for that is a discovery that each person must make. It takes effort, time, study, contemplation and prayer to find our way. If you tell someone what you think the truth is that can lead to resentment at the pushiness involved, or laziness, in that the person accepts something they have not worked for. He who seeks will find.....but finding doesnt happen without seeking.

Do you believe morality is objective?

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[FollowtheShepherd]

Spirit led self reflection based in the word is the only way.

 

[Dibby53]

Do you believe morality is objective?

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Maybe the word I would use would be "innate ". As part of the divine patterning (image of God) within us all. God wants to bring forth the righteouss , moral response to a situation through us. We need the spirit to guide us, and to use reason based on love to bring forth wisdom. Jesus was constantly trying to get people to look deeper than just the surface of things. Morality is as much about the inner motivation and reason, rather than the outer action.