Who is the Angel Michael?

[JaumeJ]

Ok jaumel, let me try to explain this another way. You just said, "The three Angels that camae down to Abraham, and other examplses permeate the Word, dI believ.e" I believe your referring to Genesis 18. So, can you please tell me from reading Genesis 18 that all three persons who came to Abraham are angels? In other words, how did you come to that conclusion? I am not trying to put you down or put you on the spot, rather I am really trying to help you understand how to properly understand scripture by reading the context, that's all.

IN THE ANGEL OF THE LORD,
bluto

Reading varied versions of the Word...…….. See how the word, angel is used throughout the Word. I have not concluded danything but I certainly have determined from what little understanding I have of words, etymologies and word usage.

I have not concluded the three Angels re God but I have an open mind with understanding of how the word, angel, is sued and ddtranslated in the writings.

What I determine is not more than a share of my understanding. As for angel worship in the sense people tend to understand that word, I would never suggest such a thng, just as we are warned in Daniel and Revelation on that subject.

 

[Lafftur]

My practice ahs always been never to hold someone elses's shortcomings in graqmmar or spelling aginst them.

As for my understanding of the Word, I do not conclude anything unless the Holy Spirit has given it to me, and then it is no my conclusion it is of the dDHoly Spirit. Until the Holy Spirit gives uinderstanding I only go so far as to determine, that is make determinations for it is not mne to conslude about kGod's Word without confirmation by the Holy Spirit, then it is God's conclusion for me,not mind.

I was blessed to read the Word in Hebreew before my vision went and also I was a languag/linguistics major at the University of Illinois, Chamapign-Urbana which does not qualify my uinderstanding one bit, but I have read the Word in four languages, for my own benefit, not that it is necessary for anyone to even be able to read to understand our Fasther's message when He wills it.

So no, I do not drink, and unless I hear in my text aloud a screaming error, I do not generally correct my bad spelling.

JaumeJ - you are a great blessing to me and I understand your posts with or without grammatical errors or accuracy.......

you are loved and accepted in the Beloved.....

 

[Noose]

What your saying does not make any sense. This is not a matter of God can do what He wants so He appears as an angle. God created all the angels and not only that but the "one and only" physical manifestation of God is His Son Jesus Christ. Read John 1:18 and/or 1 Timothy3:16.

And regarding the word for angel in the Hebrew it is "malak." Now, this word simply means "messenger." The word does refer to actual angels like Michael or Gabriel or it can refer to human beings. This is the case at Malachi 3:1, "Behold, I am going to send My "malak/angel/messenger," and he will clear the way before Me. This is referring to John the Baptist and John is no actual angel but he is a messenger.

Continuing on with Malachi 3:1, "And the Lord whom you seek, will suddenly come to His temple; This is referring to the Son Jesus Christ and is backed up at Mark 1:1-4. (continuing on), and the "malak/angel/messenger" of the covenant, in whom you delight behold, He is coming, says the Lord of hosts."

So who is the messenger of the covenant and where in the Bible was this covenant made and to whom? The covenant that God made with Abraham can be found at various places in the book of Genesis. One of those places is at Genesis 15:18, Genesis 17:10 and at Genesis 22 when the angel of the Lord/the preincarnate Jesus Christ who is clearly identified as God swore the oath to Abraham that He/God will multiply Abraham's seed Genesis 22:18. And as I said in my other post in this thread the writer of Hebrews backs this up, Hebrews 6:13-14, and at Luke 1:72-73.

The other thing I said is the fact that "angels" no matter who it is CANNOT SWEAR AN OATH ON BEHALF OF GOD, PERIOD." I do not see why this is so hard to understand? The way the word "malik or angel" is used depends on the context of how it is used. Two more points, Malachi, by whom the book of Malachi was written, well his name comes from the word, "malak" and of course Malachi is a human being/prophet/messenger. Also, "THE" angel of the Lord, Jesus Christ "NEVER" appears in the New Testament as the angel of the Lord or functioning as the angel of the Lord.

IN THE ANGEL OF THE LORD,
bluto

When were the angels created? between day 1 and 6, which day?

 

[JaumeJ]

Read here below of how the word, Lord, is used regarding rebuking Satan. From Zacheriah:

Zec 3:2 And the LORD said unto Satan, The LORD rebuke thee, O Satan; even the LORD that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire?

This is from a pre-advent conversation of Joshua, the High Priest, in heaven, Who would not presume to rebuke Satan, rather said, dYahweh rebuke you.

No, this proves not much, however it does support meditation and calls for it for the conversation is the Fathe with the Son .

That this is evident is prominent in the rest of the chapter, with even da glancing reference to men of prominence, those men who were given to Jesus, Yeshua, the Apostles.

 

[jacob_g]

Who is the Angel Michael?

Just as God took on “flesh” and became “human,” could God also take on angelic flesh and become “angelic”?

Is Michael “God in angelic form”?

No wrong or right answers here - just thoughts and opinions........let everyone speak and respect each other.

This is a great theological question...

To answer the questions as is, God is God He can do anything He wants.... But the question is did He according to Scripture....
No! He stepped out of heaven as the Second person of the Godhead/ Jesus/ Messiah.... Doing all of His God stuff as God, the Father in heaven and the Messiah/ Jesus.... While Michael as a created angle was off doing what God commanded at that time.... I do not know what that was because the Bible does not say....

I believe it is the the Jehovah's Witness (I could be wrong it might be the Mormons, that believes Jesus is Michael, the angel, but I think it is Jehovah's Witness.... Angles do not accept worship... 2 Tim 3_16-17, Rev. 22:8-9, Acts 10:25-26.....

Jesus claims to be God NOT a god... All of Scripture talks about Heaven and Earth not a bunch of planets we can become gods and rule....

 

[JaumeJ]

I have provided aabove an example of the High Priest, Joshua (another version of the name, Yeshua), not rebuking Satan, rather saying, Yahweh rebuke the Satan. Translated, ""The Lord rebuke thee Satan.."

I have never thought nor advised any to woship any of the thre archangels. I have demonstrade their asttributs to our Maker though.

I have and always will praise God, thanking Him for sending His Angels when He has or will.

Being saved by the blood of Jesus, Yeshua, gives all of us understanding by the Holy Spirit, and though onemay know something affirmed thereby, it does not mean others are given to understand the same, right?

Nothing beyond Jesus, Yeshua, crucified for our sins is more important to know, thus I give my understandign not expecting others to understand the same, while I believe others have much understanding I do not yet possess.

Yeshua is my Savior because He teaches me so. God bless all who are in Jesus, Yeshua, and all who will be. j

 

[JaumeJ]

Is God not the Holy Spirit? Is not God Jesus, Yeshua? Is He not the Father. Is He not our King? Our Savior? Our Spouse………...and so much more, according to Scripture.

When Sampson's mother was told she would bear a male child destined to be a Nazar, , It was an Angel, the Angel of the Lord.

Did not she and her husband discuss having seen God face-to-face? Is this not Scripture.

When we read and believe by the gift of faith, we tend to be much more tranquil than when we read and dismiss.

God bless all in Yeshuia......…...j

 

[jacob_g]

Is God not the Holy Spirit? Is not God Jesus, Yeshua? Is He not the Father. Is He not our King? Our Savior? Our Spouse………...and so much more, according to Scripture.

When Sampson's mother was told she would bear a male child destined to be a Nazar, , It was an Angel, the Angel of the Lord.

Did not she and her husband discuss having seen God face-to-face? Is this not Scripture.

When we read and believe by the gift of faith, we tend to be much more tranquil than when we read and dismiss.

God bless all in Yeshuia......…...j

AMEN!!!!!

 

[jacob_g]

Is God not the Holy Spirit? Is not God Jesus, Yeshua? Is He not the Father. Is He not our King? Our Savior? Our Spouse………...and so much more, according to Scripture.

When Sampson's mother was told she would bear a male child destined to be a Nazar, , It was an Angel, the Angel of the Lord.

Did not she and her husband discuss having seen God face-to-face? Is this not Scripture.

When we read and believe by the gift of faith, we tend to be much more tranquil than when we read and dismiss.

God bless all in Yeshuia......…...j

2 Kings 6:17.... Elijah and his servant were surrounded by angels.... and that is what angles do surround and protect.... But yet.... EVERY KNEE SHOW BOWL AND EVERY TONGUE SHALL CONFESS THAT JESUS /MESSIAH IS LORD!!!! (Rom 14:11)....

When you read from the 66 Books called the Bible nothing is confused.... But people get deceived because those in authority tell them the Watchtower is the word of god.....

I looked it up it is Jehovah's Witness that believes angel Michael is Jesus....lol.... sad!!!!!

 

[KJV1611]

Then he would have had no problem rebuking Satan. But he couldn't -- and wouldn't ---because he is not the LORD.

On the other hand when Christ commissions him to take down Satan and his evil angels in the future, he will be under divine orders, and will fulfil his responsibility.

The bible doesn't say he couldn't, it says he didn't. It wasn't TIME for Jesus to do that. The same situation happens between the angel of the Lord and Satan regarding Joshua the high priest.

Zec 3:1 And he shewed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the LORD, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him.
Zec 3:2 And the LORD said unto Satan, The LORD rebuke thee, O Satan; even the LORD that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire?

The angel of the Lord was the ADVOCATE for Joshua and Stan was the ACCUSER of Joshua.

Besides all that, it's nuts to think that an angel is the ONE WHO STANDS for Israel. Their brother JESUS STOOD for them when he came and died on the cross FOR THEM. SMH

 

[KJV1611]

I loved @GracethroughfaithinChrist answer to my question.....Hebrews 1:4-14.

Hebrews 1:4-14 King James Version (KJV)
4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.

8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:

11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment;

12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.

13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?

14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

I firmly believe now that the Archangel Michael CANNOT be Yeshua/Jeshua or God in "angelic flesh" because the Archangel Michael is NOT TO BE WORSHIPED by the angels and scripture NEVER tells us to worship Michael.

When John bowed down and started worshiping an angel in Rev. 19, the angel immediately stopped him and said:

Revelation 19:10 King James Version (KJV)
10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

We know that ONLY GOD IS TO BE WORSHIPED and the angel told John to worship Yeshua/Jesus NOT ANY ANGEL.

Yeshua/Jesus Christ is to be worshiped because He is God. The Archangel Michael is NOT to be worshiped because he is NOT God.

Thank you all for your scriptures and replies - @Deut, @Ahwatukee, @p_rehbein, @KJV1611, @Lightskin @Magenta, @Mii, @JaumeJ, @Nehemiah6 !

Their are two types of angels in the bible, one is the created being, the other is a MESSENGER. The messenger could be a created being, a person or Jesus.

In Genesis 22 THE angel of the Lord, Jesus Christ said: Lay not you hand upon the lad, I know you fear God, seeing that you have not withheld him from ME. Notice that The Angel of the Lord said that He, The Angel of the Lord is God.

Gen 22:11 And the angel of the LORD called unto him out of heaven, and said, Abraham, Abraham: and he said, Here am I.
Gen 22:12 And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me.

The Angel of the Lord in Genesis 22 IS JJESUS.... not a created being angel, but a MESSENGER angel. The Angel (messenger) of the Lord.

 

[JaumeJ]

Read about when the disciple came tothe others on the boat declaring he had seen Jesus, Yeshua, walking on the water. One of the others replied it could not be He but His Angel, and in some translations His Spirit, and others His Ghost…………….……….

I do not bow to nor worship Michael but I do bow to and worship One Who is Like kGod… He is God, Jesus, Yeshua.

This is not a dance of words, it is the product of study and prayer for my benefit. If it benefits you too, praise God,

The bible doesn't say he couldn't, it says he didn't. It wasn't TIME for Jesus to do that. The same situation happens between the angel of the Lord and Satan regarding Joshua the high priest.

Zec 3:1 And he shewed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the LORD, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him.
Zec 3:2 And the LORD said unto Satan, The LORD rebuke thee, O Satan; even the LORD that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire?

The angel of the Lord was the ADVOCATE for Joshua and Stan was the ACCUSER of Joshua.

Besides all that, it's nuts to think that an angel is the ONE WHO STANDS for Israel. Their brother JESUS STOOD for them when he came and died on the cross FOR THEM. SMH

If you continue in Zech. chapter 3 you will see that Joshua or Yehoshua, or Yeshua, or Jesus, are the Messiah.
The men of renown are the Apostles given to Him if He does what is given Him, which time shows He did…

Yehoshua is the older form of Heshua...…Jesus. Do not take my word on this, just read it.

 

[bluto]

When were the angels created? between day 1 and 6, which day?

Actually God created the angels before He created the physical universe. This is brought out at Job 38:4-7 and at Job 1:6. So what is your point? Do you know when they were created?

IN THE ANGEL OF THE LORD,
bluto

 

[Noose]

Actually God created the angels before He created the physical universe. This is brought out at Job 38:4-7 and at Job 1:6. So what is your point? Do you know when they were created?

IN THE ANGEL OF THE LORD,
bluto

There's only one beginning, if we have another beginning then the beginning in Genesis 1 is not really a beginning.

 

[Lafftur]

Hello everyone,

Great information about God and angels. Might I recommend a "measuring stick" to judge correctly in scripture if God is appearing as an angel or man.......

Is the "angel" or "man" being WORSHIPED?

We know that ONLY GOD IS WORSHIPED so, when we read about ANY angel in the scriptures be careful about saying the angel is Yeshua/Jesus/God because ONLY GOD IS TO BE WORSHIPED.

When angels or men visited Abraham, did Abraham sacrifice and give an offering to them? Did Abraham bow down and worship them? If yes, then it was GOD that appeared to Abraham.

Mary did NOT worship the angel Gabriel.
Daniel did NOT worship the angel Gabriel.
Joshua did NOT worship the angel that was the Captain of the Lord of Host's Army.
No where in scripture does anyone worship the angel Michael.

Yet, Abraham bowed down to the men/angels that visited him and Lot also bowed down to them.

John started to worship the angel that spoke to him in Revelation 19 but, immediately the angel told John NOT to worship him but, to WORSHIP Yeshua/Jesus Christ.

 

[Nehemiah6]

We know that ONLY GOD IS WORSHIPED so, when we read about ANY angel in the scriptures be careful about saying the angel is Yeshua/Jesus/God because ONLY GOD IS TO BE WORSHIPED.

It appears that you know nothing about Christ as the pre-incarnate *Angel of th LORD*. That is a very specific designation. He was worshiped as God, because He was and is God. But just as He chose to take human form later, He chose to take angelic form in the past. Please read and study Exodus 3.

Also please note that this has nothing to do with the archangel Michael, a created spirit being who also worships Christ, as do all the angels.

 

[garee]

Hello everyone,

Great information about God and angels. Might I recommend a "measuring stick" to judge correctly in scripture if God is appearing as an angel or man.......

Is the "angel" or "man" being WORSHIPED?

We know that ONLY GOD IS WORSHIPED so, when we read about ANY angel in the scriptures be careful about saying the angel is Yeshua/Jesus/God because ONLY GOD IS TO BE WORSHIPED.

When angels or men visited Abraham, did Abraham sacrifice and give an offering to them? Did Abraham bow down and worship them? If yes, then it was GOD that appeared to Abraham.

Mary did NOT worship the angel Gabriel.
Daniel did NOT worship the angel Gabriel.
Joshua did NOT worship the angel that was the Captain of the Lord of Host's Army.
No where in scripture does anyone worship the angel Michael.

Yet, Abraham bowed down to the men/angels that visited him and Lot also bowed down to them.

John started to worship the angel that spoke to him in Revelation 19 but, immediately the angel told John NOT to worship him but, to WORSHIP Yeshua/Jesus Christ.

Jesus, as Michael the head messenger "who is like God"? .

It is a rhetorical question .

God is not an man as us and neither is there any fleshly master to mediate between God and man called a daysman . No man can serve two teaching masters .The things of men seen and those of God not seen (Job9:333) When Jesus was approached as a daysman as a infallible umpire between Man and God not seen .he refused to stand in the holy place of the faith of God.

Matthew 19:17

And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

 

[bluto]

There's only one beginning, if we have another beginning then the beginning in Genesis 1 is not really a beginning.

Let me ask you this question noose? As we know Genesis 1:1 says, "In the beginning God," At John 1:1 it says, "In the beginning was the Word." Is the Apostle John's beginning referring to the Genesis 1:1 beginning?

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

 

[bluto]

Hello everyone,

Great information about God and angels. Might I recommend a "measuring stick" to judge correctly in scripture if God is appearing as an angel or man.......

Is the "angel" or "man" being WORSHIPED?

We know that ONLY GOD IS WORSHIPED so, when we read about ANY angel in the scriptures be careful about saying the angel is Yeshua/Jesus/God because ONLY GOD IS TO BE WORSHIPED.

When angels or men visited Abraham, did Abraham sacrifice and give an offering to them? Did Abraham bow down and worship them? If yes, then it was GOD that appeared to Abraham.

Mary did NOT worship the angel Gabriel.
Daniel did NOT worship the angel Gabriel.
Joshua did NOT worship the angel that was the Captain of the Lord of Host's Army.
No where in scripture does anyone worship the angel Michael.

Yet, Abraham bowed down to the men/angels that visited him and Lot also bowed down to them.

John started to worship the angel that spoke to him in Revelation 19 but, immediately the angel told John NOT to worship him but, to WORSHIP Yeshua/Jesus Christ.

I would like to point out a couple of things that makes your post a little confusing and contradictory. First, when you see the word "angle" in the Old Testament do "NOT" assume it's an actual angel just because the word "angel" is used. The Hebrew word for angel is "malik." The word simply means "messenger."

Men are also referred to as "angels" in the OT but they are not actual angels, they are "messengers." The prophet "Malachi" who is a human being is a messenger and his name, "Malachi" is from the Hebrew word "malik."

Now, you said this? "Great information about God and angels. Might I recommend a "measuring stick" to judge correctly in scripture if God is appearing as an angel or man......." THE angel of the Lord (who is the preincarnate Jesus Christ) is not an angel nor is He a man. In the OT he took the form of a man temporarily just like actual angels can take the form of a man. When Jesus incarnated He became a man permanently.

Also, at Genesis 18 three men appeared to Abraham. One of them was the angel of the Lord and the other two were actual angels. I don't think Abraham thought that one of them was the Lord even though vs1 says, "Now the Lord appeared to him by the oaks of Mamre, while he was sitting at the tent door in the heat of the day." What happened is being explained for our benefit as we read the account.


Now, the first appearance of the angel of the Lord is at Genesis 16:7 as the angel of the Lord. If you read the account the angel of the Lord multiplies Hagar's descendants, vs10. Hagar recognizes the angel of the Lord as God at vs13. Also notice at Genesis 17:1,2,
Now when Abram was ninety-nine years old, the Lord appeared to Abram and said to him, "I am God Almighty, Walk before Me and be blameless, vs2, And I will establish My covenant between Me and you, And I will multiply you exceedingly."

It would be a very good bet that the angel of the Lord in Genesis 16 is the same "BEING" as at Genesis 17:1-2 and through the rest of the chapter. For more information on this please read my post in this thread #24. I hope this makes sense.

IN THE ANGEL OF THE LORD,
bluto

 

[Lafftur]

I would like to point out a couple of things that makes your post a little confusing and contradictory. First, when you see the word "angle" in the Old Testament do "NOT" assume it's an actual angel just because the word "angel" is used. The Hebrew word for angel is "malik." The word simply means "messenger."

Men are also referred to as "angels" in the OT but they are not actual angels, they are "messengers." The prophet "Malachi" who is a human being is a messenger and his name, "Malachi" is from the Hebrew word "malik."

Now, you said this? "Great information about God and angels. Might I recommend a "measuring stick" to judge correctly in scripture if God is appearing as an angel or man......." THE angel of the Lord (who is the preincarnate Jesus Christ) is not an angel nor is He a man. In the OT he took the form of a man temporarily just like actual angels can take the form of a man. When Jesus incarnated He became a man permanently.

Also, at Genesis 18 three men appeared to Abraham. One of them was the angel of the Lord and the other two were actual angels. I don't think Abraham thought that one of them was the Lord even though vs1 says, "Now the Lord appeared to him by the oaks of Mamre, while he was sitting at the tent door in the heat of the day." What happened is being explained for our benefit as we read the account.


Now, the first appearance of the angel of the Lord is at Genesis 16:7 as the angel of the Lord. If you read the account the angel of the Lord multiplies Hagar's descendants, vs10. Hagar recognizes the angel of the Lord as God at vs13. Also notice at Genesis 17:1,2,
Now when Abram was ninety-nine years old, the Lord appeared to Abram and said to him, "I am God Almighty, Walk before Me and be blameless, vs2, And I will establish My covenant between Me and you, And I will multiply you exceedingly."

It would be a very good bet that the angel of the Lord in Genesis 16 is the same "BEING" as at Genesis 17:1-2 and through the rest of the chapter. For more information on this please read my post in this thread #24. I hope this makes sense.

IN THE ANGEL OF THE LORD,
bluto

Hello bluto,

Thank you for your kind reply. So sorry my post has been confusing to you.

I do not believe the Angel of the Lord is the pre-incarnate Yeshua/Jesus Christ.

Christ is "Son of God" and "Son of Man." As Man, He is an Heir of Salvation and all heirs have ministering angel(s) assigned to them.

Hebrews 1:13-14 King James Version (KJV)
13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?

14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

Angels would often appear to Christ on the Earth and strengthen Him, even though He is the Son of God, as Son of Man His angel(s) ministered to Him.

In the first chapter of Revelation, Yeshua/Jesus says He gave the prophecy to John by His Angel - looks just like Yeshua/Jesus but is His Angel - His own personal angel, actually described in Chapter 10 of Revelation.

Revelation 1 King James Version (KJV)
1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he (Yeshua/Jesus) sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Revelation 10 King James Version (KJV)
10 And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire: (Yeshua/Jesus Christ's Angel looks just like Him and it's NOT Michael.)

Understanding angels is not really important, just an interesting topic is all. It's really best to stay focused on Yeshua/Jesus Christ - our Lord, Savior and King!