Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?

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Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness. 1 John 3:4
 
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Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but he sent me. Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say. You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me! Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me? He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.” John 8:42-47
 
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Are you like the tax collector or the pharisee?
We know that we all possess knowledge. Knowledge puffs up, but love builds up. The man who thinks he knows something does not yet know as he ought to know. But the man who loves God is known by God. 1 Corinthians 8:1-3

Isn't it better to be known by God than to compare myself to anyone else or exalt myself as if I'm any better and then be rejected in the end?

“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
Matthew 7:21-23
 

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We know that we all possess knowledge. Knowledge puffs up, but love builds up. The man who thinks he knows something does not yet know as he ought to know. But the man who loves God is known by God. 1 Corinthians 8:1-3

Isn't it better to be known by God than to compare myself to anyone else or exalt myself as if I'm any better and then be rejected in the end?

“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
Matthew 7:21-23
after Jesus said this, He went on to say " everyone who hears these Words of Mine and puts them into practice.....

notice- He said this in present tense. meaning the words He was speaking. the words in red.

so, he was not referring back to the Torah, because He quoted parts of the Torah, and also spoke His own words.
 

NayborBear

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Thank you very much for this. Happy on one hand, left behind on the other, as I have not done this yet and seems to me those I have the most unity in understand with all have. I am very used to telling myself "You are NOT understanding what God is telling you here", and letting it go for awhile.

It's the "here a little.....there a little." :)

"No God!"...."But, but, but.......wait!" :p

It's like a "jigsaw puzzle!" You supply some? He supplies some! You wanna work one border? He wanna work a "little" on that border. Then, move to another part of the puzzle. That's the "way it goes."

Or? You can rest on your laurels, in the smugness of your being saved, and hope and wait for Him to supply the the missing pieces, just because you believe. :unsure: Reminds me of several somebodies in this very forum, actually. ;)
 
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As has just been said: “Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts as you did in the REBELLION.” Hebrews 3:15
Once again

are you the tax collector or the pharisee?


almost. 4 decades ago, i did what the tax collector did,

which one did you do, or are you doing?
 
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We know that we all possess knowledge. Knowledge puffs up, but love builds up. The man who thinks he knows something does not yet know as he ought to know. But the man who loves God is known by God. 1 Corinthians 8:1-3

Isn't it better to be known by God than to compare myself to anyone else or exalt myself as if I'm any better and then be rejected in the end?

“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
Matthew 7:21-23
You people never want to answer serious questions

its your downfall and one of the biggest reasons no one will listen to you

jesus told us which one went home justified, the mere fact you teach law as the pharisee did, and refuse to acknowledge you humbled yourself to become poor in spirit (spiritually bankrupt) is more than enough to let us know what you are doing

i pray you are humbled soon

you can post all the scripture you want, it is meaningless

the legalist works at being obedient, thinking he is saved, he will try to use those works as arguing points on judgment day, jesus will tell them to depart, he never knew them

good luck trying to earn your salvation.

i gave you an opportunity to prove me wrong, you lost that chance
 
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Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but he sent me. Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say. You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me! Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me? He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.” John 8:42-47
Lol

i love my father, and Jesus,

thats why i strive to be like him

your silly attacks fall on deaf ears man..
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness. 1 John 3:4
Yep

you break the law, which means you cant keep it,

welcome to reality

now learn how to grow in christ and be like him, and stop trying to follow a law you can not follow
 
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Yawn

read the ot

read what moses said about the requirement of the law

read what paul said concerning the law

reqd what james said about someone who keeps the whole law yet stumbles in one point,

i have posted the passages so many times i KNOW you know the passages i am speaking of,

the fact you refuse to listen to these three men of god is on you my friend.
your words are
Yawn

read the ot

read what moses said about the requirement of the law

read what paul said concerning the law

reqd what james said about someone who keeps the whole law yet stumbles in one point,

i have posted the passages so many times i KNOW you know the passages i am speaking of,

the fact you refuse to listen to these three men of god is on you my friend.
If you are going to assert claims of Biblical theology you should know the scriptures that support it. Instead you are disrespectfully replying and showing that you speak what you do not know.....
 
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eternally-gratefull

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your words are


If you are going to assert claims of Biblical theology you should know the scriptures that support it. Instead you are disrespectfully replying and showing that you speak what you do not know.....
If you had any scriptural knowledge you would know the three passages of scripture i refer 2.

in the words of moses


Deuteronomy 27:26
Cursed is the one who does not confirm all the words of this law by observing them.’ “And all the people shall say, ‘Amen!’ ”

In the words of paul

Galatians 3:10
[ The Law Brings a Curse ] For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.”

in the words of james
read what moses said about the requirement of the law

read what paul said concerning the law

reqd what james said about someone who keeps the whole law yet stumbles in one point,
so before you attack people of not knowing the word, as i have told you so many times before, look to yourself, you should have known those verses, especially after i have posted them numerous times

again, if people have ever kept the law, they are not under the curse of the law, period, and they did not need jesus death, period.
 
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Actually if both sides go back to the original question, there will be peace

Jesus from the time of Matthew to his ascension in early acts, never did tell any of the 11 that the law is no longer required to be followed
 

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Actually if both sides go back to the original question, there will be peace

Jesus from the time of Matthew to his ascension in early acts, never did tell any of the 11 that the law is no longer required to be followed
the Disciples were Jewish men. they were all born under the Law. gentiles were never and are never under the Law.

I think the o,p. meant well, and was attempting to have a good discussion, the question is akin to asking " when did you stop being a thief ", a unintentional loaded question.
 
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the Disciples were Jewish men. they were all born under the Law. gentiles were never and are never under the Law.

I think the o,p. meant well, and was attempting to have a good discussion, the question is akin to asking " when did you stop being a thief ", a unintentional loaded question.
So the point I was trying to state is

If you quote from Jesus words in the 4 Gospels, the Law is meant to be kept.

If you quote from Paul, we are dead to the Law.

Once you recognize that, there is really not much point disputing about Jesus said vs Paul said. It is clearly distinct.
 

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So the point I was trying to state is

If you quote from Jesus words in the 4 Gospels, the Law is meant to be kept.

If you quote from Paul, we are dead to the Law.

Once you recognize that, there is really not much point disputing about Jesus said vs Paul said. It is clearly distinct.
so, you are saying that Jesus and Paul contradicted?

there is already a thread on that non-sense.
 

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So the point I was trying to state is

If you quote from Jesus words in the 4 Gospels, the Law is meant to be kept.

If you quote from Paul, we are dead to the Law.

Once you recognize that, there is really not much point disputing about Jesus said vs Paul said. It is clearly distinct.
Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Galatians 3:24-25
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.


The Lord said it first in Matthew 11.

Paul then expounds on it in Galatians 3.

They are saying the same things. Just in different ways.
 
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Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Galatians 3:24-25
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.


The Lord said it first in Matthew 11.

Paul then expounds on it in Galatians 3.

They are saying the same things. Just in different ways.
I repeat what I said in the other thread

Like Peter Jesus was only preaching to the Jews

Obedience to the law of Moses is implied.

He is just telling the Jews that they still need to acknowledge him as their promised messiah and king and they will find rest in the kingdom
 

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I repeat what I said in the other thread

Like Peter Jesus was only preaching to the Jews

Obedience to the law of Moses is implied.

He is just telling the Jews that they still need to acknowledge him as their promised messiah and king and they will find rest in the kingdom
Mmmmm…..

You don't believe that we have Rest in Christ?

You don't believe that this Rest in Christ is the BASIS of Pauls preaching?