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Great question!
Nothing wrong with going to Bible studies and listening to teachings, however, when Truth is taught by a person, the Holy Spirit in us will bear witness to that Truth and that's when you know what the person said is True. We're not to follow man, we're to diligently search and study the scriptures for ourselves.
The Holy Spirit is The Teacher of God's Word.
We need to take heed how we hear the Word of God and what we believe.
Nothing wrong with going to Bible studies and listening to teachings, however, when Truth is taught by a person, the Holy Spirit in us will bear witness to that Truth and that's when you know what the person said is True. We're not to follow man, we're to diligently search and study the scriptures for ourselves.
The Holy Spirit is The Teacher of God's Word.
We need to take heed how we hear the Word of God and what we believe.
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What has Perseverance to do will Salvation, WHEN YOU ARE SAVED BEFORE THE BEGINNING OF TIME ? ? ?
2 Timothy 1:9 (HCSB)
9 He has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began.
Think about it ? ? ?
The HORSE is SALVATION.
The CART is what we do or don't do in life, that is PART of the LOVE HE put into our heart, Rom. 5:5.
Anytime one thinks what we do or don't do in life, IS PART OF SALVATION; you are getting the CART ahead of the HORSE.
When you LEAVE IT BEHIND THE HORSE, it remains PART OF OUR LOVE, and is only worthy of REWARDS, and SALVATION IS NOT A REWARD.
Rewards are important, be each individual can have a difference in REWARDS.
1 Corinthians 3:11-15 (HCSB)
11 For no one can lay any other foundation than what has been laid down. That foundation is Jesus Christ.
12 If anyone builds on that foundation with gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay, or straw,
13 each one’s work will become obvious, for the day will disclose it, because it will be revealed by fire; the fire will test the quality of each one’s work.
14 If anyone’s work that he has built survives, he will receive a reward.
15 If anyone’s work is burned up, it will be lost, but he will be saved; yet it will be like an escape through fire.
THERE IS THE TESTING OF OUR WORKS, and SALVATION IS NOT PART OF IT ! ! !
REWARDS are like the LAUREL WREATH CROWNS that were awarded to the Winning Athletes in Paul's day.
AFTER they have been awarded a crown, the would go over to their KING, Bow, and Take off their CROWN, and CAST IT AT THE FEET OF THEIR KING AND RECITE, "I won this Crown for you My KING!" And HE may say, "KEEP THE CROWNS YOU HAVE WON."
Some of us will have fewer CROWNS THAN OTHERS, some may have few leaves on them, and maybe some of us will have NO CROWNS.
Here are the BIBLICAL CROWNS you can WIN.
1 Corinthians 9:25 (HCSB)
25 Now everyone who competes exercises self-control in everything.
However, they do it to receive a crown that will fade away, but we a crown that will never fade away.
Crown of Life
Crown of Joy
Crown of Rejoicing
Crown of Hope
Crown of Righteousness
Crown of being right with GOD
Crown that the Lord Promised to those that LOVE HIM
Crown of Glory
In the Apocrypha
Crown of Wisdom
Crown of the Aged
Crown of Competence
Crown of Reverence for GOD
1 Peter 5:4 (HCSB)
4 And when the chief Shepherd appears, you will receive the unfading crown of glory.
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Yes, I can tell you.
I made a longer post about this some time back (doubt I could find it now
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Here I will just basically say,
--verse 12 uses the word [where it says 'little children'] "teknia" (just like is resumed in verse 28 [this word in v.28 also], the verse following the one in question [your question re: v.27]); here he means "all believers"
--but in verse 18 (in the section of vv.18-27, including the verse in question [your question re: v.27]), he uses [where it says 'little children'] the word "paidia," by which he means "the babes [in Christ]"
--the subject being covered in these verses (vv.18-27, including the verse in question [your verse, 27]) is regarding "antichrists"
--see Gaebelein's Commentary on 1 John 2 [at BibleHub], for this section (which is what I'd posted in that other post some time back, quoting him), for further elaboration
Hope this helps.
I made a longer post about this some time back (doubt I could find it now
)Here I will just basically say,
--verse 12 uses the word [where it says 'little children'] "teknia" (just like is resumed in verse 28 [this word in v.28 also], the verse following the one in question [your question re: v.27]); here he means "all believers"
--but in verse 18 (in the section of vv.18-27, including the verse in question [your question re: v.27]), he uses [where it says 'little children'] the word "paidia," by which he means "the babes [in Christ]"
--the subject being covered in these verses (vv.18-27, including the verse in question [your verse, 27]) is regarding "antichrists"
--see Gaebelein's Commentary on 1 John 2 [at BibleHub], for this section (which is what I'd posted in that other post some time back, quoting him), for further elaboration
Hope this helps.
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What has Perseverance to do will Salvation, WHEN YOU ARE SAVED BEFORE THE BEGINNING OF TIME ? ? ?
2 Timothy 1:9 (HCSB)
9 He has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began.
Think about it ? ? ?
The HORSE is SALVATION.
The CART is what we do or don't do in life, that is PART of the LOVE HE put into our heart, Rom. 5:5.
Anytime one thinks what we do or don't do in life, IS PART OF SALVATION; you are getting the CART ahead of the HORSE.
When you LEAVE IT BEHIND THE HORSE, it remains PART OF OUR LOVE, and is only worthy of REWARDS, and SALVATION IS NOT A REWARD.
Rewards are important, be each individual can have a difference in REWARDS.
1 Corinthians 3:11-15 (HCSB)
11 For no one can lay any other foundation than what has been laid down. That foundation is Jesus Christ.
12 If anyone builds on that foundation with gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay, or straw,
13 each one’s work will become obvious, for the day will disclose it, because it will be revealed by fire; the fire will test the quality of each one’s work.
14 If anyone’s work that he has built survives, he will receive a reward.
15 If anyone’s work is burned up, it will be lost, but he will be saved; yet it will be like an escape through fire.
THERE IS THE TESTING OF OUR WORKS, and SALVATION IS NOT PART OF IT ! ! !
REWARDS are like the LAUREL WREATH CROWNS that were awarded to the Winning Athletes in Paul's day.
AFTER they have been awarded a crown, the would go over to their KING, Bow, and Take off their CROWN, and CAST IT AT THE FEET OF THEIR KING AND RECITE, "I won this Crown for you My KING!" And HE may say, "KEEP THE CROWNS YOU HAVE WON."
Some of us will have fewer CROWNS THAN OTHERS, some may have few leaves on them, and maybe some of us will have NO CROWNS.
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Here are the BIBLICAL CROWNS you can WIN.
1 Corinthians 9:25 (HCSB)
25 Now everyone who competes exercises self-control in everything.
However, they do it to receive a crown that will fade away, but we a crown that will never fade away.
Crown of Life
Crown of Joy
Crown of Rejoicing
Crown of Hope
Crown of Righteousness
Crown of being right with GOD
Crown that the Lord Promised to those that LOVE HIM
Crown of Glory
In the Apocrypha
Crown of Wisdom
Crown of the Aged
Crown of Competence
Crown of Reverence for GOD
1 Peter 5:4 (HCSB)
4 And when the chief Shepherd appears, you will receive the unfading crown of glory.
2 Timothy 1:9 (HCSB)
9 He has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began.
Think about it ? ? ?
The HORSE is SALVATION.
The CART is what we do or don't do in life, that is PART of the LOVE HE put into our heart, Rom. 5:5.
Anytime one thinks what we do or don't do in life, IS PART OF SALVATION; you are getting the CART ahead of the HORSE.
When you LEAVE IT BEHIND THE HORSE, it remains PART OF OUR LOVE, and is only worthy of REWARDS, and SALVATION IS NOT A REWARD.
Rewards are important, be each individual can have a difference in REWARDS.
1 Corinthians 3:11-15 (HCSB)
11 For no one can lay any other foundation than what has been laid down. That foundation is Jesus Christ.
12 If anyone builds on that foundation with gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay, or straw,
13 each one’s work will become obvious, for the day will disclose it, because it will be revealed by fire; the fire will test the quality of each one’s work.
14 If anyone’s work that he has built survives, he will receive a reward.
15 If anyone’s work is burned up, it will be lost, but he will be saved; yet it will be like an escape through fire.
THERE IS THE TESTING OF OUR WORKS, and SALVATION IS NOT PART OF IT ! ! !
REWARDS are like the LAUREL WREATH CROWNS that were awarded to the Winning Athletes in Paul's day.
AFTER they have been awarded a crown, the would go over to their KING, Bow, and Take off their CROWN, and CAST IT AT THE FEET OF THEIR KING AND RECITE, "I won this Crown for you My KING!" And HE may say, "KEEP THE CROWNS YOU HAVE WON."
Some of us will have fewer CROWNS THAN OTHERS, some may have few leaves on them, and maybe some of us will have NO CROWNS.
Here are the BIBLICAL CROWNS you can WIN.
1 Corinthians 9:25 (HCSB)
25 Now everyone who competes exercises self-control in everything.
However, they do it to receive a crown that will fade away, but we a crown that will never fade away.
Crown of Life
Crown of Joy
Crown of Rejoicing
Crown of Hope
Crown of Righteousness
Crown of being right with GOD
Crown that the Lord Promised to those that LOVE HIM
Crown of Glory
In the Apocrypha
Crown of Wisdom
Crown of the Aged
Crown of Competence
Crown of Reverence for GOD
1 Peter 5:4 (HCSB)
4 And when the chief Shepherd appears, you will receive the unfading crown of glory.
"For the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit." Romans 14:17
["the kingdom OF THE heavenS" is the promised and prophesied earthly Millennial Kingdom, and is not entirely identical to the phrase "the kingdom of God" which is wider-encompassing, for lack of a better word (I'm tired, lol)]
EDIT: the verses "he that shall ENDURE UNTO THE END" speaks of their entrance into (not "Heaven" but) "the promised and prophesied EARTHLY Millennial Kingdom (some still-living, others having been martyred, etc... but either way, having "endured unto the end" of that future, specific, limited time period, aka the 7-yr trib)
["the kingdom OF THE heavenS" is the promised and prophesied earthly Millennial Kingdom, and is not entirely identical to the phrase "the kingdom of God" which is wider-encompassing, for lack of a better word (I'm tired, lol)]
EDIT: the verses "he that shall ENDURE UNTO THE END" speaks of their entrance into (not "Heaven" but) "the promised and prophesied EARTHLY Millennial Kingdom (some still-living, others having been martyred, etc... but either way, having "endured unto the end" of that future, specific, limited time period, aka the 7-yr trib)
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No worries.......
Romans 8:28
And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose.
2 Timothy 1:9
who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began,
Romans 8:28
And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose.
2 Timothy 1:9
who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began,
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