Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?

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DeighAnn

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That is because under the millennial rulership of the Messiah shabbath observance and feasts and also circumcision of the flesh will all be required again, for just as a higher standard of righteousness is expected from us under the new covenant of the Messiah than in the old covenant of Moses, so in likewise manner a higher standard of righteousness will be expected from those under the millennial covenant than in our current covenant with the Messiah, which is foreshadowed by the second generation circumcising their flesh when they entered the promised land, for they were not circumcised in the flesh, for they were under the covenant of Moses whose sign was resting on the weekly Shabbath and not under the Abrahamic covenant whose sign was the circumcision of the flesh,

There will be no flesh in the Millennium, Everything and everyone is SPIRITUAL.
 
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My point is that Christians do not need to keep the law.

The brothers at the beginning of Acts chapter 15 aren't keeping the law. That's what the men from Judea are concerned about. They bring up circumcision because that's kind of the flagship law in the Jewish mind.

The question that Paul and Barnabas are sent to Jerusalem to resolve is the question of whether gentile Christians are to keep the law. Paul and Barnabas don't think they should, that's what brought them into dispute with the men from Judea.
Tell me, are the following things sin? Yes or no for each will suffice.
A man dressing as a woman.
Not helping your enemy pick up his groceries if his grocery bag broke open at the bottom.
Charging your brother interest on a loan.
Kidnapping.
Taking revenge.
Holding a grudge against your neighbor who accidentally parked in your parking spot.
Refusing to give food to a homeless man with a "I am hungry sign" when your trunk is full of groceries.
 
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There will be no flesh in the Millennium, Everything and everyone is SPIRITUAL.
There is no such thing as "spiritual", it is a mistranslation. Aeolian is the correct word. Angels can transform into aeolian bodies, which is why they are invisible to the eye, and able to enter the body of a man through the airflow of his nostrils. However, angels are also able to transform back into their bodies of flesh and bones. Yes, angels possess bodies of flesh and bones, hence the physical body of the Messiah that ascended into heaven, for heaven is a physical place, out of our reach albeit, but no less physical than your surroundings that are physical. There is no such thing as "spiritual", only in your imagination as a result of the mistranslation. As such, when the Messiah returns, he will return in his physical body, to rule over this physical earth. It is not a spiritual imaginary wishy washy rulership, it is a physical and literal rulership.
 

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gaviriachristian said: You can only be released from the written Torah if you are released from sin,
You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness. Romans 6:18
What you wrote (on top) differs from what Paul wrote in Romans 6:18.

You say that a Christian may or may not be released from sin.

Paul, however, says that all true Christians have been set free from sin.
 
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What you wrote (on top) differs from what Paul wrote in Romans 6:18.

You say that a Christian may or may not be released from sin.

Paul, however, says that all true Christians have been set free from sin.
No, a man that sins is still a slave to sin.
 
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All these things were written by the apostle who told us to stop keeping the law of Moses.
Paul just like the Lord Jesus defies HYPOCRISY and taught OBEDIENCE to God's commandments. They did
not teach anything against the law but they rather upheld it.

Jesus said;

“The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.
Matthew 23:2-3

Through John;

Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him.” Then Judas (not Judas Iscariot) said, “But, Lord, why do you intend to show yourself to us and not to the world?” Jesus replied, “If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. He who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me. John 14:21-24

Through Mark;

He replied, “Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written: “‘These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.’ You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to the traditions of men.” And he said to them: “You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions! For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.’ But you say that if a man says to his father or mother: ‘Whatever help you might otherwise have received from me is Corban’ (that is, a gift devoted to God), then you no longer let him do anything for his father or mother. Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like that.” Mark 7:6-13

Through Luke;

Meanwhile, when a crowd of many thousands had gathered, so that they were trampling on one another, Jesus began to speak first to his disciples, saying: “Be on your guard against the yeast of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy.

Paul wrote these things;

I will not venture to speak of anything except what Christ has accomplished through me in leading the Gentiles to obey God by what I have said and done—
Romans 15:18

So then, the law is holy, and the commandment is holy, righteous and good. Romans 7:12

For what the law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the sinful nature, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful man to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in sinful man, in order that the righteous requirements of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the sinful nature but according to the Spirit. Those who live according to the sinful nature have their minds set on what that nature desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires. The mind of sinful man is death, but the mind controlled by the Spirit is life and peace; the sinful mind is hostile to God. It does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. Romans 8:1-17

The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. Such teachings come through HYPOCRITICAL LIARS, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. 1Timothy 4:1-2

Paul's teachings is in accordance and harmony with Jesus's teachings, therefore, if Jesus did not teach anyone not to keep the law, why would Paul do so?
Take for example the ff:

On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?” “What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?” He answered: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’” “You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.” But he wanted to justify himself, so he asked Jesus, “And who is my neighbor?” In reply Jesus said: “A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, when he fell into the hands of robbers. They stripped him of his clothes, beat him and went away, leaving him half dead. A priest happened to be going down the same road, and when he saw the man, he passed by on the other side. So too, a Levite, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side. But a Samaritan, as he traveled, came where the man was; and when he saw him, he took pity on him. He went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. Then he put the man on his own donkey, took him to an inn and took care of him. The next day he took out two silver coins and gave them to the innkeeper. ‘Look after him,’ he said, ‘and when I return, I will reimburse you for any extra expense you may have.’ “Which of these three do you think was a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of robbers?” The expert in the law replied, “The one who had mercy on him.” Jesus told him, “Go and do likewise.”
Luke 10:25-37

All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law, since they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts now accusing, now even defending them.)Romans 2:1-16

So Paul as the apostle to the Gentiles did not teach against the law but warned them instead about "LAWLESSNESS".

For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way. 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12

"Let God be true, and every man a liar."
 

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There is no such thing as "spiritual", it is a mistranslation. Aeolian is the correct word. Angels can transform into aeolian bodies, which is why they are invisible to the eye, and able to enter the body of a man through the airflow of his nostrils. However, angels are also able to transform back into their bodies of flesh and bones. Yes, angels possess bodies of flesh and bones, hence the physical body of the Messiah that ascended into heaven, for heaven is a physical place, out of our reach albeit, but no less physical than your surroundings that are physical. There is no such thing as "spiritual", only in your imagination as a result of the mistranslation. As such, when the Messiah returns, he will return in his physical body, to rule over this physical earth. It is not a spiritual imaginary wishy washy rulership, it is a physical and literal rulership.



1Corinthians 15:36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:

1Corinthians 15:37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:

1Corinthians 15:38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.

1Corinthians 15:39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.

1Corinthians 15:40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.

1Corinthians 15:41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.

1Corinthians 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

1Corinthians 15:43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:

1Corinthians 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

1Corinthians 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

1Corinthians 15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

1Corinthians 15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.

1Corinthians 15:48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

1Corinthians 15:49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

1Corinthians 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

1Corinthians 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

1Corinthians 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

1Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

1Corinthians 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

1Corinthians 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

1Corinthians 15:55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
 

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who will rebel then? there is a rebellion at the end of the millennium?[/QUOTE


Just because we are all changed into incorruptible bodies does not mean that all have received immortality.
 

DeighAnn

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However, angels are also able to transform back into their bodies of flesh and bones.

Scripture please. They ate angels food in the wilderness. Angels are not "air" they have mass. Just a different body. Celestial.
 
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1Corinthians 15:36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:

1Corinthians 15:37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:

1Corinthians 15:38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.

1Corinthians 15:39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.

1Corinthians 15:40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.

1Corinthians 15:41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.

1Corinthians 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

1Corinthians 15:43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:

1Corinthians 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

1Corinthians 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

1Corinthians 15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

1Corinthians 15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.

1Corinthians 15:48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

1Corinthians 15:49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

1Corinthians 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

1Corinthians 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

1Corinthians 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

1Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

1Corinthians 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

1Corinthians 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

1Corinthians 15:55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
As I said, "spiritual" is a mistranslation. We will possess aeolian bodies at the resurrection, like angels, and in that time after our immortalization we will be able to transform from the aeolian form and back into the form of flesh and bones, like angels. An aeolian body cannot eat or drink, for those are functions of the flesh which has a mouth and a digestive system, which an aeolian body does not have. That is why demons, which are unclean airflows, greatly desire to enter into and possess a body, to feel through that body, for they cannot eat or drink in their aeolian bodies, and neither can they transform into the form of flesh and bones, so they are constantly hungry and thirsty.
 
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Scripture please. They ate angels food in the wilderness. Angels are not "air" they have mass. Just a different body. Celestial.
Angels have bodies of flesh and bones, and are able to transform into aeolian bodies. These are two different forms.
 

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As I said, "spiritual" is a mistranslation. We will possess aeolian bodies at the resurrection, like angels, and in that time after our immortalization we will be able to transform from the aeolian form and back into the form of flesh and bones, like angels. An aeolian body cannot eat or drink, for those are functions of the flesh which has a mouth and a digestive system, which an aeolian body does not have. That is why demons, which are unclean airflows, greatly desire to enter into and possess a body, to feel through that body, for they cannot eat or drink in their aeolian bodies, and neither can they transform into the form of flesh and bones, so they are constantly hungry and thirsty.
Why would anyone ever want to go from an incorruptible body to a flesh one? Once the Millennium is here ALL WILL BE CHANGED> no more flesh. What would be the purpose?
 

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Marcelo said: What you wrote (on top) differs from what Paul wrote in Romans 6:18. You say that a Christian may or may not be released from sin. Paul, however, says that all true Christians have been set free from sin.
No, a man that sins is still a slave to sin.
There is a difference between sin and sin. We are all sinners, but we are not all liars, thieves, adulterers, etc. In my opinion, when Paul says we have been set free from sin, he is referring to lie, theft, adultery, etc., not to occasional evil thoughts and things like that.
 

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Paul just like the Lord Jesus defies HYPOCRISY and taught OBEDIENCE to God's commandments. They did
not teach anything against the law but they rather upheld it.
Hi Wokinluv!

Jesus did teach obedience to the law of Moses, but Paul did not.
 

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Jesus said;

“The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach. Matthew 23:2-3
Absolutely correct! Jesus, throughout His Earthly ministry, taught obedience to the law of Moses.
 
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Yes, I have heard you say it. Now I would like to hear from the Word. Scripture please
Angels are able to transform into aeolian bodies, which are bodies of airflow, which is what "spirit" and "spiritual" truly mean, for these English words are mistranslations, and angels are also able to transform into flames of fire, which was the form that an angel appeared to Moses as,

he makes his angels into airflows, his servants into flames of fire…
Psalm 104:4

There the angel Yehovah appeared to him in flames of fire from within a bush
Exodus 3:2

Now about the angels He says: “He makes His angels into airflows, His servants flames of fire.”
Hebrews 1:7

I discuss this topic more in depth in a bible study http://www.wisdomofgod.us/2018/08/2...-word-spirit-the-identity-of-the-wind-of-god/