NOT ALL THINGS HAVE YET BEEN PUT UNDER JESUS' AUTHORITY

Devolution · Mar 22, 2011

Yes it is perfectly obvious fact that the Earth is not under the direct rule of Christ. If there was a direct rule of Christ then it would have been milenium. Humanity is basically rebellion against God and His gospel. Therefore, God must use the old heaven to rule over old ground! When the new heaven will expand and displace the old (the war in heaven), then it's time to cleanse the Еarth, that is, for the coming of Christ to Earth to establish the millennium.

Hello Necto,

Yes we agree the Kingdom is yet to come...

Regards
Devolution

zone · Mar 22, 2011

Devolution said:

zone said:

devo.

did you not know that the names JESUS AND JOSHUA ARE THE SAME NAME?

that there is a grievous error is some translations including KJV?

if you understood that Hebrews 4:8 reads:

For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken of another day later on.

you would have understood that JOSHUA leading the people into The Promised Land was the EARTHLY TYPE pointing forward to JESUS and HIS REST, His Promise of ETERNAL LIFE in the new creation.

you would have understood that "another day later on" referred to Christ's First Coming as Messiah.

you would have wondered why Hebrews says Jesus when you had clearly seen in JOSHUA that the Land promise WAS FULFILLED. and you would have followed up and seen the error.

you would then have understood that The Book of Hebrews, as well as a Book of great blessing for those who believe, is a grave warning to the Hebrews that they NOT REPEAT the sin of their forefathers who died OUTSIDE THE PROMISED LAND DUE TO UNBELIEF.

Hebrews 4:8 is telling THE HEBREWS that the earthly promised land was NOT THEIR REST.

it is warning them not to perish in unbelief.

it is telling them they must believe TODAY.

Joshua's Promised Land was NOT THE PROMISED REST. looking for a future earthly land promise after seeing the Fulfillment in Christ is a travesty and robbery of the true INHERITENCE.

not THE REAL PROMISE WHICH WAS FULFILLED IN CHRIST.

The Promised Land of Joshua 21 was pointing to Jesus.

but since you refuse to read JOSHUA 21 and agree with God that He gave them everything He promised, you would be looking for a future fulfillment of an earthly type, and you would do exactly what you've been doing...skipping RIGHT OVER JESUS CHRIST and His Finished Work, Jesus Christ the fulfillment of all the Promises.

you've run out of things to promise the Hebrews...time to point them, as the writer of Hebrews did, TO JESUS.

Hebrews 4
1Therefore, while the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us fear lest any of you should seem to have failed to reach it. 2For good news came to us just as to them, but the message they heard did not benefit them, because they were not united by faith with those who listened.a 3For we who have believed enter that rest, as he has said,

“As I swore in my wrath,
‘They shall not enter my rest,’”

although his works were finished from the foundation of the world. 4For he has somewhere spoken of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all his works.” 5And again in this passage he said,

“They shall not enter my rest.”

6Since therefore it remains for some to enter it, and those who formerly received the good news failed to enter because of disobedience, 7again he appoints a certain day, “Today,” saying through David so long afterward, in the words already quoted,

“Today, if you hear his voice,
do not harden your hearts.”

8 For if Joshua had given them rest, Godb would not have spoken of another day later on. 9So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God, 10for whoever has entered God’s rest has also rested from his works as God did from his.

11Let us therefore strive to enter that rest, so that no one may fall by the same sort of disobedience. 12For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart.

13And no creature is hidden from his sight, but all are naked and exposed to the eyes of him to whom we must give account.

Jesus the Great High Priest
14Since then we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus, the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession. 15For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin. 16Let us then with confidence draw near to the throne of grace, that we may receive mercy and find grace to help in time of need.

HERE IS THE 'OTHER DAY' GOD SPOKE OF:

Matthew 11:28
Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Isaiah 28:12
to whom he said, "This is the resting place, let the weary rest"; and, "This is the place of repose"--but they would not listen.

devo?
what's your response?
is this an example of God laying false doctrinal traps to catch false teachers?

does Hebrews 4:8 tell us JESUS did not provide REST? that there is another day ahead?

or did you get it wrong?

has this error influenced your eschatology?

now that you know Hebrews 4:8 was fulfilled by Christ, what's your explanation for promising anyone a FUTURE day, when God has commanded all men everywhere TODAY to repent and believe? did you see that He warned they will PERISH in their sins if they harden their hearts as in the day of provocation?

do you still claim God will raise up the rebels into second flesh bodies so they can be saved?

why are you so antisemitic?

what will you do about all the people you have so confidently taught there is another day ahead for those who perish in unbelief?

BUMP

Devolution · Mar 22, 2011

eternally-gratefull said:

Hello eternally grateful,

The kingdom of Satan still stands. It is all around us. This is yet to be dismantled and taken under Christs direct rule. Nothing in all creation happens without God allowing it to happen. This is not what i am arguing against, for to argue that fact is akin to arguing against His divinity. My point is clear....not yet all things are under Christ...that is, direct "hands on" rule over the worlds nations. For WHEN His kingdom comes, then this will happen, and ALL nations lose their self determination.

So the mere fact that men still rule men and make decisions without consideration of Gods ways, it stands to reason that these rulers are not yet under Christ, that is, under His rod of iron.

When the kingdom is set up, all nations will obey His commands as to what not to do, and what they are permitted to do. No nation will make decisions independently anymore, all must adhere to the Kings Word. This does NOT mean INDIVIDUALS will be rebellious in their personal lives. Oh, they may adhere to social requirements at that stage when in the community, just like for example non believing moslems go through the motions in their countries to avoid scrutiny, but YES, rebellious hearts will still be alive and well during His kingdom period. If they weren't, just who would Satan have left to gather when he is released?

So you see, we actually agree, its just that you may have misunderstood me?

Regards
Devolution.

zone · Mar 22, 2011

Devolution said:

Hello eternally grateful,

The kingdom of Satan still stands. It is all around us. This is yet to be dismantled and taken under Christs direct rule. Nothing in all creation happens without God allowing it to happen. This is not what i am arguing against, for to argue that fact is akin to arguing against His divinity. My point is clear....not yet all things are under Christ...that is, direct "hands on" rule over the worlds nations. For WHEN His kingdom comes, then this will happen, and ALL nations lose their self determination.

So the mere fact that men still rule men and make decisions without consideration of Gods ways, it stands to reason that these rulers are not yet under Christ, that is, under His rod of iron.

When the kingdom is set up, all nations will obey His commands as to what not to do, and what they are permitted to do. No nation will make decisions independently anymore, all must adhere to the Kings Word. This does NOT mean INDIVIDUALS will be rebellious in their personal lives. Oh, they may adhere to social requirements at that stage when in the community, just like for example non believing moslems go through the motions in their countries to avoid scrutiny, but YES, rebellious hearts will still be alive and well during His kingdom period. If they weren't, just who would Satan have left to gather when he is released?

So you see, we actually agree, its just that you may have misunderstood me?

Regards
Devolution.

FIRST ADVENT >>this world (a thousand years) >>satan's short space/little season>>SECOND ADVENT/JUDGMENT>>eternity (the world to come)

eternally-gratefull · Mar 22, 2011

zone said:

Since this world since Christ has been many more than 1000 years, You are in error!!

You aught to just leave out the 1000, because it shows your ignorance and does not help you case.

No where in scripture have a period of "years" ever been intepreted in anything but a literal "time period of specific years" so why you want to make the 1000 years not equal 1000 is beyond reason, and beyond the scope of scriptural precedence.

Devolution · Mar 22, 2011

See Matthew 13:24-30...harvest. We all know the HARVEST happens at Christs 2nd coming. The below is the EXPLANATION of what is taking place during the HARVEST (Matt 13:36)... notice end of this world v39? End of this world meaning: RULED by Satan/man. End of THAT world rule. NOW Jesus WILL rule...

Matthew 13:
41> The Son of man shall send forth His angels (As i acknowledged, we see here that Christ DOES have authority in heaven :HIS ANGELS) and they shall gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity. Is evil in heaven? The kingdom of heaven? Of course not. Then what kingdom is spoken of here? Since the SPIRITUAL kingdom is clean...what are offenders doing in the kingdom? So since it can't be the spiritual kingdom, well that leaves only ONE other kingdom, and one kingdom only...the HUMAN kingdom of Israel. And since it does have evil in it, and since when Christ RULES His kingdom, when He COMES,THIS kingdom of His will NEED be cleaned out so NO EVIL is left in it for when He begins to RULE it...then it can only mean ONE THING....that Christ is NOT YET RULING IT. Hence: Not all things have yet been put under Him. The RULE over the mortals is YET to be taken away from Satan...STILL the current god of earth. (Yes i know God is the ultimate ruler etc...discernment please)

42> And shall cast them into a furnace of fire, there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
43> Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who has ears to hear, let him hear. THEN....THEN...in the KINGDOM...THEN !!

So NO. As scripture stated. Not all things have yet been put under Jesus. So then we find the earth is NOT YET MADE HIS FOOTSTOOL. BUT...WHEN He rules...THEN...THEN the earth will THEN become His footstool...He has to RULE the earth BEFORE He TAMES the earth. And how does He tame the earth? With a ROD OF IRON. THEN after He has completed His allotted time, THEN He can hand back the kingdom to His Father...clean and chaste.

Matthew 25:31> WHEN the Son of man SHALL COME in His GLORY, and ALL the Holy ANGELS with Him.....THEN Shall He SIT upon the THRONE of His GLORY.

This hasn't happened yet. So "Christ's THRONE" isn't YET ruling everything...but we see that WHEN He comes (2nd coming) we see that THEN He will...and THEN it can be said that ALL THINGS are THEN under Christ at last. For Satans kingdom SHALL be dismantled by our Lord WHEN He comes.

We should note that WHEN Satan is released...Satan does NOT start ruling the world again...he merely GATHERS from the world the ones who resist Christ's ways, and begins warring again (Gog & Magog) ...Notice God & Magog NEVER even enter the camp of the saints BUT merely SURROUNDS it? BUT the false prophet DID enter Israel remember...BEFORE the 1000 years, he GOT IN...remember the 3rd TEMPLE was IN Jerusalem...Jerusalem was CONQUERED...it was from that temple he proclaimed himself god !! But Gog & Magog NEVER get IN. So Gog & Magog is AFTER the millennium also. Right before the 2nd (last) judgment.

zone · Mar 22, 2011

Devolution said:

2nd Judgment?
where does it say that?

also: any idea what this is about?:

28 Tevet, 5768 / January 6, 2008
In the Name of the Lord, Eternal God
To The Honorable Mr. George W. Bush,
President of the United States of America,

Who comes seeking the presence of the Most High God, to Jerusalem, city of God, Divinely chosen site of the Holy Temple, eternal capital of our land, "the joy of the entire earth (Psalms 48:3)," may it be rebuilt and established speedily and in our days, Amen!

Esteemed Mr. George W. Bush, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal (Ezekiel 38:1), leader of the west!

Upon your arrival in Jerusalem you have the ability to make a declaration, as did Cyrus, King of Persia - whose memory is honored - who in the year 538 BCE returned the exiled nations to their lands and recognized the full right of the Jewish people to reestablish their Holy Temple, the "house of prayer for all nations" (Isaiah 56:7), and called upon them to return to their land,

And in the manner of Lord James Balfour of England, who in 1917, called upon the Jews to reestablish a national homeland in the Land of Israel.

And thus if you truly desire peace and benevolence, and you would be counted in the company of the truly righteous, we call upon you to declare to all the world:

The Land of Israel was bequeathed to the nation of Israel by the Creator of the world. Neither could I, as a son of my faith, nor the Muslims according to their faith, ever take away even the slightest grain from the Eternal's gift, which He gave to His people Israel, the eternal people. Thus I call upon all the nations to save themselves from certain doom, to return and recognize That this land is the exclusive rightful inheritance of the people of Israel, as is written in the Torah of Israel, which constitutes the very foundation of our faith, as well as that of Islam; and is the basis for the decisions of the community of nations. He who denies this truth endangers all life on earth.

I shall dedicate all my strength and resources towards settling the Jewish people throughout their entire land. I shall greatly encourage and empower the Jews all over the world to rise up to the Land of Israel and to settle it, to establish God's sanctuary in Jerusalem, to distance strangers from it and thus, I believe, I will be making a major contribution towards world peace.

I cannot simultaneously support the establishment of a foreign state for an alien nation in the Land of Israel, and I will not lend my hand to this wrong.

Or - Heaven forbid - you can choose the second option - to willfully aid in the destruction, under the guise of peace!

You certainly know what the God of Israel did to Egypt and Assyria and to all Israel's enemies from time immemorial: Do you imagine that you will be able to save yourself if you have come to implement a plan that intends to steal the land of "the people that survived the sword" (Jeremiah 31:1), and to cut off those who survived the Holocaust, to rob the land that was given to them by the Creator?

All of the peace treaties and initiatives which have been based upon the decisions of the government of Israel, indeed the entire Oslo process, and the 'Disengagement,' and the establishment of a terrorist state within the Land of Israel known as 'Palestine' - regrettably, all of these agreements are the result of a lack of sufficient faith in the Divine promises that the Lord made to the patriarchs of our nation, and all that is written in the Torah of Israel. Understand this well: the nations of the world cannot excuse their actions and their decisions on account of the weakness of Israel and her government. God ordained that the role of the nations of the world is to strengthen the nation of Israel. This will benefit all humanity and bring about world peace, as the prophets have foretold.
Do you imagine you can escape from the struggles in Iran, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Egypt, and Lebanon, by offering up sacrifices of the Jews who are slaughtered daily by their enemies who speak of peace but live by the sword?

Upon your arrival in our land we would anticipate that you bring Jonathan Pollard home with you. Bring him home to Israel. He is an emissary of the State of Israel, and he acted on behalf of our people.

Authorize his immediate release while you are yet in Jerusalem, before you return to the United States. This will be a positive step that will build confidence.

Remember our forefather Abraham, who pursued the world's four greatest kings in order to redeem his nephew from captivity. We cannot forget the deeds of our patriarchs, whose example guides us through every generation.

We are the loyal representatives of the Jewish people, the New Jewish Congress, and its court of law, the Sanhedrin, as well as the Temple and Temple Mount movements, but we merely reiterate herein what is public knowledge.

No government in Israel and no representative of the Jewish people has the power or right to alter, by even the slightest degree, our covenant with God and the words of our holy Torah, which are everlasting, as expressed by the prophets of Israel and even by the wicked prophet Balaam: "Then he looked on Amalek, and uttered his oracle, saying: 'First among the nations was Amalek, but its end is to perish for ever' (Numbers 24:20). Thus any desire, plan or agreement that challenges the eternal sovereignty and active possession of the nation of Israel over her entire land is utterly worthless, and has no basis in reality.

Therefore it behooves you to declare: "I, George Bush, Commander in Chief of the armies of the United States of America, will instruct all of my troops to protect the Divine rights of the nation of Israel, and remove from her any threat."

Before you is a choice: You can merit to eternal life, or be inscribed for eternal disgrace. Your fate and that of all those with you hangs in the balance of the destiny of our land.

"and you shall choose life!" (Deut. 30:19).

In Sincere Supplication - In the name of the Jewish people
Rabbi A Even Yisrael Steinzaltz
The Sanhedrin
Dr. Gadi Eshel
The New Jewish Congress
Rabbi Chaim Richman
The Holy Temple and Temple Mount Movements

The Temple Institute: Megillat Bush << image

zone · Mar 22, 2011

Red33 said:

who is in charge while Jesus is preoccupied somewhere in the air for 7 years with the "church"?

who is on earth during the 7 year tribulation while the church is gone?

how/what precedent is there for God creating a new species of believer called TRIBULATION SAINTS when the Church and Jesus and presumably The Holy Spirit (the restrainer) are gone?

is the Church the Bride of Christ and Israel is the wife of God? is that how this scenario works?

this scenario has either:

2 Gods
1 God with a bride AND a wife.

stone · Mar 22, 2011

gen1:1 in d beginning God created d heavens and d earth

zone · Mar 22, 2011

Devolution said:

is this correct?
if not, what should it say, and what are the implications?

stone · Mar 22, 2011

st.John chp 1. allthings were made by him

stone · Mar 22, 2011

excuse me. is every1 baptised in d name ov d lord JESUS CHRIST4 D REMISSION OV SINS IN ER

stone · Mar 22, 2011

ITS MY 1ST TIME ON LINE

Red33 · Mar 22, 2011

zone said:

I don't think that God is going to have a problem raising up sinners (just like the old ones) unto Himself during that time of tribulation, who become saints by the blood of the Lamb, after He has taken His bride to heaven (without spot or wrinkle) for a short time prior to the Lamb's supper (where there will be many guests) and their honeymoon, that will reign for 1,000 years upon the earth. Satan will be bound during that time and as the scriptures teach us in (Prov 29:2a)...

When the righteous are in authority the people rejoice...

zone · Mar 22, 2011

Red33 said:

so, the church is Christ's Bride.

what's israel doing, and who is she married to?

how does anyone become a saint by the The Blood of the Lamb without the Gospel?

if there are saints in the tribulation (and there are), please show me the line of demarcation where the great catching away of the bride takes place and suddenly people on earth are becoming saints.

if i could see that precisely, i might consider it.

only problem is it isn't in there.

these saints are the same kind of saints as we have today. they are identical, and they entered the tribulation as saints: why are they here and the others ones taken?

here are saints praying:

Revelation 8:3
And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer [it] with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne.

here are saints being killed or going into captivity:

Revelation 13:10
He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

also:

here's john way back when claiming to be a companion in tribulation. how come he wasn't spared tribulation?

he also says he is a brother in the kingdom: how could he say that if the Kingdom hadn't come with Christ?

Revelation 1:9
I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.

a-a-a-a-a-n-n-n-y-y-ways......same old same old.

Necto · Mar 22, 2011

It's very simple. Some will be left in great sorrow for the ripening, bleaching, purification through fire! Unfortunately there are those who have to raise through the Great Tribulation.

zone · Mar 22, 2011

Necto said:

where does it say the tribulation saints got left behind? more importantly WHY did they get left behind? they weren't looking up into the sky?

journey41 · Mar 22, 2011

Necto said:

[/QUOTE]Yes Necto you are correct, Good on you for defending the truth and sticking to your guns. I back you up 100%. You have obviously studied the scriptures and cant be fooled, for it says;

Rev 7:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the alter the souls of them that were SLAIN FOR THE WORD OF GOD and for theTESTIMONY which they held.

Rev 7:11 And WHITE ROBES were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should REST yet for a little season, until their FELLOW SERVANTS also and their BRETHREN, that SHOULD BE KILLED AS THEY WERE, should be FULFILLED.

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were BEHEADED for the WITNESS of JESUS, and for the WORD of GOD, and which had NOT WORSHIPED the BEAST, neither his image, NEITHER had RECIEVED his MARK upon their FORHEADS, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Rev 15:2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with FIRE: and THEM that had gotten VICTORY over the BEAST, and over his image, and over his MARK, and over the number of his name, stand on the SEA OF GLASS, having the harps of God.

We know that the beast mentioned in Rev is referring to a beast that will rise up in the last days, the time of the end. This beast will persecute the saints as foretold. Jesus will throw this beast into the lake of fire along with the false prophet. So this is an end time beast that the saints overcame. This is how the saints living in the last days washed their robes white, and went through purification and fire. They denied the mark, and suffered the consequences knowing they will get a reward later at Christs coming. All for the love of Christ, and for hope in his promises. God bless.

Devolution · Mar 22, 2011

zone said:

devo.

did you not know that the names JESUS AND JOSHUA ARE THE SAME NAME?

that there is a grievous error is some translations including KJV?

if you understood that Hebrews 4:8 reads:

For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken of another day later on.

you would have understood that JOSHUA leading the people into The Promised Land was the EARTHLY TYPE pointing forward to JESUS and HIS REST, His Promise of ETERNAL LIFE in the new creation.

you would have understood that "another day later on" referred to Christ's First Coming as Messiah.

you would have wondered why Hebrews says Jesus when you had clearly seen in JOSHUA that the Land promise WAS FULFILLED. and you would have followed up and seen the error.

you would then have understood that The Book of Hebrews, as well as a Book of great blessing for those who believe, is a grave warning to the Hebrews that they NOT REPEAT the sin of their forefathers who died OUTSIDE THE PROMISED LAND DUE TO UNBELIEF.

Hebrews 4:8 is telling THE HEBREWS that the earthly promised land was NOT THEIR REST.

it is warning them not to perish in unbelief.

it is telling them they must believe TODAY.

Joshua's Promised Land was NOT THE PROMISED REST. looking for a future earthly land promise after seeing the Fulfillment in Christ is a travesty and robbery of the true INHERITENCE.

not THE REAL PROMISE WHICH WAS FULFILLED IN CHRIST.

The Promised Land of Joshua 21 was pointing to Jesus.

but since you refuse to read JOSHUA 21 and agree with God that He gave them everything He promised, you would be looking for a future fulfillment of an earthly type, and you would do exactly what you've been doing...skipping RIGHT OVER JESUS CHRIST and His Finished Work, Jesus Christ the fulfillment of all the Promises.

you've run out of things to promise the Hebrews...time to point them, as the writer of Hebrews did, TO JESUS.

Hebrews 4
1Therefore, while the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us fear lest any of you should seem to have failed to reach it. 2For good news came to us just as to them, but the message they heard did not benefit them, because they were not united by faith with those who listened.a 3 For we who have believed enter that rest, as he has said,

“As I swore in my wrath,
‘They shall not enter my rest,’”

although his works were finished from the foundation of the world. 4For he has somewhere spoken of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all his works.” 5And again in this passage he said,

“They shall not enter my rest.”

6Since therefore it remains for some to enter it, and those who formerly received the good news failed to enter because of disobedience, 7again he appoints a certain day, “Today,” saying through David so long afterward, in the words already quoted,

“Today, if you hear his voice,
do not harden your hearts.”

8 For if Joshua had given them rest, Godb would not have spoken of another day later on. 9So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God, 10for whoever has entered God’s rest has also rested from his works as God did from his.

11Let us therefore strive to enter that rest, so that no one may fall by the same sort of disobedience. 12For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart.
13And no creature is hidden from his sight, but all are naked and exposed to the eyes of him to whom we must give account.

Jesus the Great High Priest
14Since then we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus, the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession. 15For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin. 16Let us then with confidence draw near to the throne of grace, that we may receive mercy and find grace to help in time of need.

HERE IS THE 'OTHER DAY' GOD SPOKE OF:

Matthew 11:28
Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Isaiah 28:12
to whom he said, "This is the resting place, let the weary rest"; and, "This is the place of repose"--but they would not listen.

I thought it very important to answer this one. Things are certainly getter stranger indeed. NOW Joshua is Jesus? Let us undo this with one simple quote from scriptures:
Zechariah 3:1> And he shewed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the Lord, and Satan at his right hand to resist him.
Zechariah 3:2> And the Lord said unto Satan, The Lord rebuke thee, O Satan, even the Lord that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee, is this not a brand plucked out of the fire?
Zechariah 3:3> Now Joshua was clothed with filthy garments, and stood before the angel

That SHOULD suffice. One: Jesus was NOT a BRAND PLUCKED out of the fire. That is blasphemous. Go and learn what this means.
Two: Jesus was pure all His days: He NEVER wore filthy rags which is symbolic of sinful deeds present. Don't try saying it was when He became symbolic of sin either, i can use Zech to rip that down also. I did warn you what God was going to allow to happen to your beliefs...you should repent, it is getting worse.

Therefore the rest of these writings are pointless to acknowledge...see how easy doctrines twist ones perceptions of truth? Very dangerous indeed.

Devolution · Mar 22, 2011

Devolution said:

I apologize for this. I misread the meaning of the writer. A perfect reason why one should not talk on the phone when engaging in a debate...I won't be doing that again. My error. I guess i will now have to answer the one i no longer wish to answer...since the answers always get twisted and abused !! But since i erred in the above, i must at least respond now. Lesson learnt, which is : do not debate with distractions !!

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