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That verse doesn't. There is no word "appose" in the English language. The Holy Spirit is not the Son of God.

He, the Son of God is the one that power is attributed to. Does that profit for something?

No power after the fleshly seeds as many . It is after seed spiritual (one)

Romans 1:3-5 King James Version (KJV) Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; And declared to be the Son of God (not the Son of man) with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead: (not the corrupted flesh he born in as the Son of man ) By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:

Hebrews 7:3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

Not the Son of man abideth a priest continually.

He has a beginning the corrutped flesh he inherited from his mother.

Catholics say it was not corrupted .They need it to profit in order to create the illusion of a "queen in heaven". Flesh and blood could never enter.

Holy Spirit = the Son of God.

What the eyes see the Son of man = no power.... profiting for nothing, nada, zip.

Walk after the unseen eternal not after what the eyes see the temporal.

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

What the eyes see is still temporal or at least according to my opinion. .

1 John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

 

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He, the Son of God is the one that power is attributed to. Does that profit for something?

No power after the fleshly seeds as many . It is after seed spiritual (one)

Romans 1:3-5 King James Version (KJV) Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; And declared to be the Son of God (not the Son of man) with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead: (not the corrupted flesh he born in as the Son of man ) By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:

Hebrews 7:3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

Not the Son of man abideth a priest continually.

He has a beginning the corrutped flesh he inherited from his mother.

Catholics say it was not corrupted .They need it to profit in order to create the illusion of a "queen in heaven". Flesh and blood could never enter.

Holy Spirit = the Son of God.

What the eyes see the Son of man = no power.... profiting for nothing, nada, zip.

Walk after the unseen eternal not after what the eyes see the temporal.

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

What the eyes see is still temporal or at least according to my opinion. .

1 John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

Your views on this matter are heretical. You have been shown the truth repeatedly, and still you reject it.

Why you keep bringing up what Catholics believe is completely beyond me. You have been told repeatedly that their views are irrelevant.

 

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● 1Pet 5:5b . . and all of you, clothe yourselves with humility toward one
another, for God is opposed to the proud, but gives grace to the humble.

The Greek word for "humble" is tapeinophrosune (tap-i-nof-ros-oo'-nay)
which means lowliness of mind; viz: modesty, which Webster's defines as
freedom from conceit or vanity. Lowliness of mind is to be greatly desired for
its blessing.

● Matt 5:3 . . Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of
heaven.

Humility is very rare on internet forums. Active members are typically easily
insulted and infected with vanity; plus imperious, domineering, despotic,
assertive, confrontational, arrogant, conceited, reactive, thin-skinned, self
righteous, emotional, critical, and defensive. Those are not what I would call
good Christian attributes. They also have a propensity to jump to
conclusions, get the wrong impression, and fly off the handle. Those aren't
good Christian attributes either; in point of fact; none of those attributes are
blessing-worthy.

"Grace" is one of those ambiguous abstract nouns that nobody seems to
agree upon. Noah found grace in God's eyes (Gen 6:8) which in his case,
regarded providence; which can be defined as kindly patronage. It was by
God's providence that Noah and his family survived the Flood while the sons
of God and their harems didn't. Let that sink in. Just because people label
themselves a Christian, and profess a belief in Christ, is no guarantee they'll
escape the horrors of the book of Revelation. Noah was a righteous man,
and perfect in his generation; too many of today's card-carrying Christians
are neither.

The Greek word for "proud" is huperephanos (hoop-er-ay'-fan-os) which
means appearing above others, viz: haughty. Those kinds of people typically
regard others with contempt, i.e. undeserving of respect or even so much as
common courtesy. Haughty people are typically cruel, thoughtless,
insensitive, and badly infected with a superiority complex, which goes hand
in hand with arrogance: defined as an exaggerated sense of one's
importance, sometimes manifested in an overbearing manner.

Arrogant people can be intolerably pushy and assertive at times; standing up
to them usually always provokes an indignant reaction and a call to arms, so
to speak, because these folk regard any and all disagreements with their
way of thinking as demeaning attacks upon their core values and their
distorted sense of self worth. These people have very little interest in
harmony; they're stand-up fighters whose primary interest is winning.

Seeing as how Heaven is reputed a place of peace, then the arrogant, the
haughty, and the proud cannot be allowed to go there with their unholy
personalities. For sure they'd just end up making things very uncomfortable
for Heaven's normally mild-mannered, affable society.
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● 1Pet 5:5b . . and all of you, clothe yourselves with humility toward one
another, for God is opposed to the proud, but gives grace to the humble.

The Greek word for "humble" is tapeinophrosune (tap-i-nof-ros-oo'-nay)
which means lowliness of mind; viz: modesty, which Webster's defines as
freedom from conceit or vanity. Lowliness of mind is to be greatly desired for
its blessing.

● Matt 5:3 . . Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of
heaven.

Humility is very rare on internet forums. Active members are typically easily
insulted and infected with vanity; plus imperious, domineering, despotic,
assertive, confrontational, arrogant, conceited, reactive, thin-skinned, self
righteous, emotional, critical, and defensive. Those are not what I would call
good Christian attributes. They also have a propensity to jump to
conclusions, get the wrong impression, and fly off the handle. Those aren't
good Christian attributes either; in point of fact; none of those attributes are
blessing-worthy.

"Grace" is one of those ambiguous abstract nouns that nobody seems to
agree upon. Noah found grace in God's eyes (Gen 6:8) which in his case,
regarded providence; which can be defined as kindly patronage. It was by
God's providence that Noah and his family survived the Flood while the sons
of God and their harems didn't. Let that sink in. Just because people label
themselves a Christian, and profess a belief in Christ, is no guarantee they'll
escape the horrors of the book of Revelation. Noah was a righteous man,
and perfect in his generation; too many of today's card-carrying Christians
are neither.

The Greek word for "proud" is huperephanos (hoop-er-ay'-fan-os) which
means appearing above others, viz: haughty. Those kinds of people typically
regard others with contempt, i.e. undeserving of respect or even so much as
common courtesy. Haughty people are typically cruel, thoughtless,
insensitive, and badly infected with a superiority complex, which goes hand
in hand with arrogance: defined as an exaggerated sense of one's
importance, sometimes manifested in an overbearing manner.

Arrogant people can be intolerably pushy and assertive at times; standing up
to them usually always provokes an indignant reaction and a call to arms, so
to speak, because these folk regard any and all disagreements with their
way of thinking as demeaning attacks upon their core values and their
distorted sense of self worth. These people have very little interest in
harmony; they're stand-up fighters whose primary interest is winning.

Seeing as how Heaven is reputed a place of peace, then the arrogant, the
haughty, and the proud cannot be allowed to go there with their unholy
personalities. For sure they'd just end up making things very uncomfortable
for Heaven's normally mild-mannered, affable society.
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● 1Pet 5:6 . . Humble yourselves, therefore, under the mighty hand of God,
that He may exalt you at the proper time

Humility is defined by Webster's as ranking low in a hierarchy or scale; for
example:

● Matt 18:4 . .Whoever humbles himself like this child is the greatest in the
kingdom of heaven.

"greatest' is a category. In other words: there is more than one great person
in heaven certainly. But Jesus taught it is better that you be made great
than to make yourself great; for example:

● Luke 14:8-11 . .When you are invited by someone to a wedding feast, do
not take the place of honor, lest someone more distinguished than you may
have been invited by him, and he who invited you both shall come and say
to you "Give place to this man" and then in disgrace you proceed to occupy
the last place.

. . . But when you are invited, go and recline at the last place, so that when
the one who has invited you comes, he may say to you; "Friend, move up
higher" then you will have honor in the sight of all who are at the table with
you. For everyone who exalts himself shall be humbled, and he who humbles
himself shall be exalted.

Speaking critically of the religious luminaries of his days; Jesus once said:

● Matt 23:2-7 . .The scribes and the Pharisees do all their deeds to be
noticed by men; for they broaden their phylacteries, and lengthen the
tassels of their garments. And they love the place of honor at banquets, and
the chief seats in the synagogues, and respectful greetings in the market
places, and being called by men: Rabbi.
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● 2Pet 1:5-7 . . Make every effort to add to your faith virtue; and to virtue,
knowledge; and to knowledge, self-control; and to self-control,
perseverance; and to perseverance, godliness; and to godliness, brotherly
kindness; and to brotherly kindness, love.

All those things listed by the apostle Peter are "supplements" defined by
Webster's as things that are added.

If Peter's list is chronological, then it's evident that believers are not
supposed to start with love and work towards faith, rather they're supposed
to start with faith and work towards love, viz: unloving believers are still
believers yes, but they've plenty of room for personal improvement; viz:
their confidence in Christ's crucifixion as a price he paid to ransom their
souls from the wrath of God is good, but it's only the beginning; i.e. a
foundation upon which Peter urges them to accumulate the traits on his list.
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● 2Pet 1:5-7 reprised from post No.46

"Make every effort to add to your faith virtue; and to virtue, knowledge; and
to knowledge, self-control; and to self-control, perseverance; and to
perseverance, godliness; and to godliness, brotherly kindness; and to
brotherly kindness, love."

The Greek word for "virtue" is arete (ar-et'-ay) which basically refers to the
strength, and the courage, to stand for what's right.

The word for "knowledge" is gnosis (gno'-sis) which basically refers to
information obtained by teaching, instruction, and study rather than known
naturally by intuition and/or instinct.

The word for "self-control" is egkrateia (eng-krat'-i-ah) which means:
continence. The opposite of continence is incontinence; which is the
condition where a person cannot restrain their natural impulses.

The word for "perseverance" is hupomone (hoop-om-on-ay') which means:
cheerful (or hopeful) constancy. A hupomone person always keeps looking
for the light that they know is at the end of the tunnel; and even if they
can't see it for now; they fully expect to.

The word for "godliness" is eusebeia (yoo-seb'-i-ah) which means: piety;
defined by Webster's as dutifulness in religion; viz: devoutness; i.e.
dedication.

The word for "brotherly kindness" is philadelphia (fil-ad-el-fee'-ah) which
means fraternal affection; i.e. fondness. In these days of dysfunctional
homes in the USA, fraternal affection has no point of reference in the
thinking of some people because they've never seen it, nor ever experienced
it. Is it any wonder then that so many homes in America are producing
sociopaths, and kids with Reactive Attachment Disorder?

The word for "love" is agape (ag-ah'-pay) which may or may not contain the
elements of affection and fondness; but always contains the element of
benevolence.

Benevolent people are good folk; they're typically helpful, kind, generous,
cordial, hospitable, courteous, tolerant, sympathetic, loyal, and civil.

Agape was a sorely-missing element in my three years of service in the US
Army from 1961 to 1964. The men disliked each other; and the men disliked
the officers and non-coms; and they in turn disliked the men. Everybody
mistrusted each other and each guy had at the most only a couple of guys in
my whole 200-man unit he could lean on. That lack of agape had an impact
on unit cohesiveness and made America's enemies seem more like friends
than foes.

I really appreciate Charlie Sheen's line towards the end of the Hollywood
movie "PLATOON". It goes something like this: "I think now, looking back,
we did not fight the enemy-- we fought ourselves . . . and the enemy was in
us." That line is profound; and an excellent companion to a line in
"Terminator 2, Judgment Day" when Arnold Schwarzenegger commented to
the young John Connor: "It is in your nature to destroy yourselves."
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● 2Pet 3:14 . .Be diligent to be found by Him in peace, without spot and
blameless

Some of the brethren haven't a clue what it is to be in peace; their
temperaments won't permit. But that's something they really need to work
on because temperamental behavior isn't permitted in Heaven, and it won't
be permitted in the new cosmos either.

FAQ: Is there no hope for people born with temperamental dispositions?

A: It's possible for people to be rid of their natural-born human nature and
replace it with a nature very similar to God's.

● 2Pet 1:3-4 . . His divine power has granted to us all things that pertain to
life and piety, through the knowledge of Him who called us to His own glory
and excellence, by which He has granted to us His precious and very great
promises, that through these you may escape from the corruption that is in
the world because of passion, and become partakers of the divine nature.

It's pretty obvious throughout the New Testament that Jesus had divine
nature. (2Cor 5:21, Heb 4:15, 1Pet 1:18-19, 1Pet 2:22, and 1John 3:5)

It gave him quite an advantage.

● John 8:29 . . He that sent me is with me: the Father has not left me alone;
for I do always those things that please Him.

Were it not for his having divine nature; Jesus could never claim to always
please the Father. Had Jesus come into the world having only human nature,
he might've pleased the Father some of the time, or even most of the time,
but certainly not all the time.

The Greek word for "looking forward" is prosdokao (pros-dok-ah'-o) which
means: to anticipate; viz: to await; for example:

When I was a small boy back in the late 1940's, I used to climb one of the
olive trees in the front yard so I could see down the road in the direction
that my dad came home every evening in a black 1933 Model A Ford. I
always climbed the tree ahead of time so I could begin watching for my dad
and spot him coming a long ways off, and then I'd get down and sprint out
to the end of our dirt driveway and jump on the running board of that old
Ford and ride it back to the house with my dad.

Prosdokao is like that. It fully expects the arrival of a future event; and the
future event Peter spoke of in previous verses is not only The Lord's return;
but also the utter annihilation of the current cosmos to be replaced by one in
which only righteousness exists. Today, righteousness and unrighteousness
exist side by side, but in the future, it won't be like that.
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● 2Pet 3:18 . . But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and
Savior Jesus Christ.

A gracious person is honest, kind, courteous, inclined to good will, generous,
cheerful, reliable, trustworthy, faithful, genial, sociable, generous,
thoughtful, patient, lenient, tolerant, temperate, approachable, helpful,
peaceable, charitable, altruistic, compassionate, sympathetic, cordial,
proper, elegant, polite, genteel, reasonable, affable, agreeable, genial,
cheerful, warm, sensitive, hospitable, considerate, diplomatic, and tactful.

Why the instruction to grow in grace? Because people in Heaven are nothing
like the churlish race of brutish hominids infesting the world down here.
Heaven's society is populated with really nice folk: they're good people; the
best of the best. Unrefined behavior doesn't fit in there; it's a fish out of
water. People of little grace would likely hate the place anyway; and very
definitely annoy God and disgust Him to no end.

Buen Camino
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