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wolfywolfs
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YouTube - Christian Protestors Throw Crosses At Feet Of Old Muslim Man Praying By White House who here thinks this is right personaly i think its wrong
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The bible says that we must treat ALL PEOPLE with respect. In the bible the prophets never used to diss or curse the people. Instead they corrected them and tried to make them change. Christianity is a life of love to everyone, christian or non-christian.
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BellaFlor
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I agree with thinking this is a wrong behavior. It is like a Christian I know of, he saw some mormon missionaries talking to a man. He started shouting at them to go away, even calling them demons, he even followed them, ran after them telling them to not talking to this other man. I mean, how Christian is this? And what would the non-beleiving man think when seeing this?
Instead of throwing crosses at this man they should show him genuine respect and Christ's love.
Instead of throwing crosses at this man they should show him genuine respect and Christ's love.
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AnandaHya
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they should have offered him some food and a blanket instead, it would be more Christ-like. maybe a loaf of bread baked in the shape of a heart or cross?
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Jimmy47
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I don't think that's right at all. Everyone needs to treat each other with respect regradless of their beliefs.
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Breelynn
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unclefester
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It is much more than wrong Wolfy .....it was disgusting behaviour. I seriously doubt that these people have Christ in their hearts.
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Credo_ut_Intelligam
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At first I just glanced at this thread and wasn't going to bother watching the video. But then some of the comments here caught my eye ("disgusting," "more than wrong" etc.) so I watched the video.
I thought it was kinda funny because it didn't seem that bad to me.
1. A few people dropped crosses at the guy's feet. I don't really get what the point of doing this was, but big deal. Hardly qualifies as "disgusting" or "more than wrong"... I would lean more towards odd behavior, but in line with what I've seen a lot of charismatics do (I'm not charismatic, FWIW).
2. One guy was holding a sign saying "Jesus Loves You"... Surely that's not "disgusting" or "more than wrong."
3. The crowd started chanting "Jesus" and saying some other stuff I couldn't really make out. Again, this strikes me as odd behavior, but still very common among some Christians. I've experienced that sort of behavior by people on this forum and in other chat rooms. I have fellow Christians pull this sort of behavior on me all the time. It evidences an immature or unsophisticated "stick-my-fingers-in-my-ears-and-go-la-la-la-la" approach to disagreement. In my opinion, this isn't "disgusting" or "more than wrong" but it is childish. I've also had atheists pull this sort of behavior on me. Only instead of chanting "Jesus" to drown you out they will start yelling insults. It's a psychological defense mechanism that a lot of people exhibit.
4. One guy started thanking God for Egypt, Syria and other Middle Eastern countries and saying that Jesus loves them. Again, absolutely nothing wrong with that.
So, over all, no big deal. Some of them were doing odd, immature things. But I've seen atheists do the same, I've seen Democrats do the same to Republicans and vice versa, I've seen pro-choice advocates and pro-life advocates do the same, I've seen pro-homosexuals and anti-homosexuals do the same. I've even group of Jews do the same thing to Christians in Jerusalem.
If anything, it's a demonstration of how the mob mentality causes the collective IQ to drop a few points.
I thought it was kinda funny because it didn't seem that bad to me.
1. A few people dropped crosses at the guy's feet. I don't really get what the point of doing this was, but big deal. Hardly qualifies as "disgusting" or "more than wrong"... I would lean more towards odd behavior, but in line with what I've seen a lot of charismatics do (I'm not charismatic, FWIW).
2. One guy was holding a sign saying "Jesus Loves You"... Surely that's not "disgusting" or "more than wrong."
3. The crowd started chanting "Jesus" and saying some other stuff I couldn't really make out. Again, this strikes me as odd behavior, but still very common among some Christians. I've experienced that sort of behavior by people on this forum and in other chat rooms. I have fellow Christians pull this sort of behavior on me all the time. It evidences an immature or unsophisticated "stick-my-fingers-in-my-ears-and-go-la-la-la-la" approach to disagreement. In my opinion, this isn't "disgusting" or "more than wrong" but it is childish. I've also had atheists pull this sort of behavior on me. Only instead of chanting "Jesus" to drown you out they will start yelling insults. It's a psychological defense mechanism that a lot of people exhibit.
4. One guy started thanking God for Egypt, Syria and other Middle Eastern countries and saying that Jesus loves them. Again, absolutely nothing wrong with that.
So, over all, no big deal. Some of them were doing odd, immature things. But I've seen atheists do the same, I've seen Democrats do the same to Republicans and vice versa, I've seen pro-choice advocates and pro-life advocates do the same, I've seen pro-homosexuals and anti-homosexuals do the same. I've even group of Jews do the same thing to Christians in Jerusalem.
If anything, it's a demonstration of how the mob mentality causes the collective IQ to drop a few points.
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Credo_ut_Intelligam
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By the way, take a look at the description box of the person who uploaded that video. Does that guy/girl think he is better than those Christians? And he/she talks about hypocrisy? ... lol I'll guarantee he would be out there with a bull horn acting just as childish yelling insults at the Christians.
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unclefester
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I'm guessing it WAS a big deal to the Muslim man they were harassing with their "love of Christ" for him. Compare with the worst if that's what fits your criteria. I happen to believe that as Christians, we should compare ourselves with the best ....and act accordingly. Hypocrisy and "justification" for unwarranted actions are one and the same.
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Credo_ut_Intelligam
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Harassment is such a vague term. In one sense, all protests could be consider harassment. Yet I don't think anything is wrong with protesting (and thus "harassing") in that sense.
But I don't think the video gives us enough context for you to say they were harassing the man. What if the Christians had been standing there singing and the Muslim man walked up to them and started praying? In that case, the Muslim could be the one provoking (and harassing) them.
Christians, like other people in the West, can sometimes have a love affair with guilt. As the philosopher Jamie Whyte explains,
"Many enjoy feeling guilty about misdeeds they didn't do , such as colonizing Africa or denying women the vote. I have even seen undergraduates, who I was fairly certain were virgins, marching with placards declaring 'I am a rapist.' Who would deny people such innocent pleasures? But, like all pleasures, faux guilt must be enjoyed responsibly. You mustn't allow yourself to get so carried away with it that you contract the fever and start believing that your victims are infallible."
(Crimes Against Logic, 155).
Maybe this is just another person trying to give Christians a guilt trip for things they didn't do? Maybe some people on this thread are happy to oblige with their faux guilt?
I don't know, but I'm happy to provide the counterpoint for a broader perspective.
Great. Do you think anyone would disagree with that?
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unclefester
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No faux guilt here Credo but I wouldn't disagree with you that many do welcome it. Just embarassment for the gospel's sake. Even if the Muslim was the provoker, which is possible, that hardly warrants representatives of the gospel to stoop to the same level. Do I think that anyone would disagree that Christians should compare themselves to the best and act accordingly ? The actions or reactions of the "Christians" in that video answered this question. Hope you have a great weekend and God bless
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Credo_ut_Intelligam
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No faux guilt here Credo but I wouldn't disagree with you that many do welcome it. Just embarassment for the gospel's sake. Even if the Muslim was the provoker, which is possible, that hardly warrants representatives of the gospel to stoop to the same level. Do I think that anyone would disagree that Christians should compare themselves to the best and act accordingly ? The actions or reactions of the "Christians" in that video answered this question. Hope you have a great weekend and God bless
Stoop to what level? Again, it's not clear what exactly is going on in this video.
Some things, like saying Jesus loves you and God loves Syrians, Egyptians, etc. isn't "stooping" to any level.
Other things, like dropping crosses (although we can't see what they are... maybe they are jax?
) at the guy's feet are pointless, but not harmful as far as I can see. And still other things, like chanting "Jesus" over and over and (possibly) yelling, are immature (and maybe a bit cultish?) but more in the roll-my-eyes kind of way than the almost-as-bad-as-terrorists sort of way. If terrorists were only a little bit worse than these guys, the twin towers would still be standing... unless they could collapse from bull-horns.
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unclefester
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Stoop to what level? Again, it's not clear what exactly is going on in this video.
Gotcha. They were only interested in winning souls for Christ. Heck...the one guy even prayed over the guy. How else are Christians supposed to act ?
Some things, like saying Jesus loves you and God loves Syrians, Egyptians, etc. isn't "stooping" to any level.
And how could we but admire their love and sincerity ?
If terrorists were only a little bit worse than these guys, the twin towers would still be standing... unless they could collapse from bull-horns.
Actually Credo, I'm thinking the terrorists ARE only slightly worse than these clowns
Gotcha. They were only interested in winning souls for Christ. Heck...the one guy even prayed over the guy. How else are Christians supposed to act ?
Some things, like saying Jesus loves you and God loves Syrians, Egyptians, etc. isn't "stooping" to any level.
And how could we but admire their love and sincerity ?
If terrorists were only a little bit worse than these guys, the twin towers would still be standing... unless they could collapse from bull-horns.
Actually Credo, I'm thinking the terrorists ARE only slightly worse than these clowns
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Credo_ut_Intelligam
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This is a vapid remark. That probably wasn't their *only* interest, but apparently some of them had as their interest communicating the love of Jesus.
How do you know what their sincerity is?
With that comment, you're the one who looks like a clown to me.
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unclefester
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How would you feel if the next time you kneeled to pray a bunch of musllims came up and started throwing little swords in front of you and began yelling "Allah! Allah! Allah!"?
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