Was Adam Made Holy

[reneweddaybyday]

@Whispered

All I have asked is that you stop accusing others. You accused posthuman. You accused me. You want examples, I can provide them.

Again, please stop accusing others. Thank you.

 

[posthuman]

Magenta, Ro. 5:14 death reigned from Adam to Moses. What Law was in effect between the time of Adam and Moses? Do not eat from the knowledge of good and evil which men could not get into even if they wanted to. Sin was in the world before Law was given the first Law was the only Law do not eat from this tree For the claim of sin before Law to be true then sin was in the world before the command not to eat was given. the Wage of sin is death but men died before Sinai and had no understanding of why. These are those who died but have not been judged yet

why does God say to Cain, 'if you do what is right' ?
Cain knows something that is right and something that is wrong, and it's not about eating from a tree.

for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves
(Romans 2:14) ​

we of all people ought to know from the grace we partake in in Christ that there doesn't have to be a itemized list of ordinances and commands in order for there to be "law" - God accounted sin to Cain, both in his sacrifice and in murder, and promised His own vengeance to anyone who slew him. i doubt very much Cain 'had no understanding of why' he died.

 

[posthuman]

Day three would seem to be when he found bride in the heart of Satan a corrupted the whole creation .

i don't see how we get that from dry land appearing and God causing the earth to bring forth botanical life?
why not between verse 1 and verse 2, when somehow a formless void and darkness comes to exist, and He separates darkness from light? makes more sense to me. does 'evening' exist before sin is found in Satan, is essentially that question, because day 1 starts with darkness. when does time start?
i mean, seriously, what about day 3 makes that the day? what convinces you of it?
sorry if you've already said and i missed it.

 

[ieuan]

We are after all said Christians, are we not?

 

[oldethennew]

Please answer if what was done before eating was sin or righteousness. Was taking God’s possession against His will sin or righteous? Was coveting what was God’s sin or righteous? Not having faith sin or righteous? Their sin did separate them but it was only when they were made aware of their sin there was no law that said don’t steal or they would have been convicted at that point. Likewise nothing that said don’t covet or they would have been convicted at that point. Just because there is no law outlawing what is sin does not make it less sin it just makes it unrecognized sin And uncharged Romans 5:13-14. Romans 8:1

all of mans actions are either good or evil the Law and only the Law defines which is which. Until that Law do not covet man does not take it into account as sin Romans 8.

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(at first The Law was simple, 'do no eat of the fruit of 'that three') - they DID, which is called (disobedience to God),
which is certainly 'sin'... -
'For by one man, sin entered into 'the world'...

 

[posthuman]

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(at first The Law was simple, 'do no eat of the fruit of 'that three') - they DID, which is called (disobedience to God),
which is certainly 'sin'... -
'For by one man, sin entered into 'the world'...

for Adam, hearkening to the voice of his wife - that one time, anyway - was also sin; God couples it with eating of the fruit of the tree. she must have asked him to sin, then, directly or indirectly.
when she speaks to God she is undeceived; she knows she had been deceived. was she undeceived when she asked her husband to sin? Adam wasn't deceived. if she was deceived speaking to him, he saw through it. if she wasn't, he knew what she was really asking of him at least as well as she did. it think it must have been heartbreaking for him

there's gaps in the account; the Bible tells us there are - because God points out to Adam that he listened to "her voice", but there's no record of her saying anything to him. He designed His scripture this way - 'the world could not contain the record' - we're meant to meditate on these things, to search them out.

 

[Magenta]

We are after all said Christians, are we not?

I doubt it. Perhaps the majority, but no, not all.

 

[posthuman]

One could make the point that, instead of physical death, God showed grace to them, sacrificed a lamb and made a covering.

i have the view that their bodies began to decay when they ate of the fruit - that this is the meaning of 'dying, you will die' - that they began dying then. death entered through sin, and in Adam all die. even as we partake in Christ, THE LAMB, our bodies return to dust, as it is appointed once for man to die, until the resurrection, and as He has said, the one believing in Him, though they die, shall live. you could posit that in sacrificing a lamb ((or possibly two lambs? hmm)) and covering them, He makes atonement, and through faith He guarantees to them life in the spirit, yet their bodies continue to turn back to dust. we also were as dead, until He gave us life

 

[Dino246]

Day three would seem to be when he found bride in the heart of Satan a corrupted the whole creation .

That is meaningless mush, not a coherent sentence.

day four the temporal time keepers were turned on .The glory of God as the light signaling the presence of God the light of the world had departed .

There is absolutely nothing in the text to suggest that the light in existence prior to day 4 departed or was removed.

Three is used as a number metaphor it would seem in that way.

"Three" may be used in some places to represent something, but it doesn't require that every instance be representative. In this case, it doesn't work.

I think Adam because he was to be used as a husband or farmer sowing and reaping like that of our God. Mankind was the last of his works of faith . . created on day 6. Marked with 666 his number.

"666" is the number of a man, not of mankind and not of Adam.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

i have the view that their bodies began to decay when they ate of the fruit - that this is the meaning of 'dying, you will die' - that they began dying then.

Yes. God told Adam in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die (Gen 2:17).

In the Hebrew, the words thou shalt surely and the word die read as muwth muwth.

muwth muwth is actually in the text and the meaning is "dying you shall die".

So on the day they ate they experienced "dying" which eventually led to the point where they physically died.

 

[posthuman]

Yes. God told Adam in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die (Gen 2:17).

In the Hebrew, the words thou shalt surely and the word die read as muwth muwth.

muwth muwth is actually in the text and the meaning is "dying you shall die".

So on the day they ate they experienced "dying" which eventually led to the point where they physically died.

so did either of them have dandruff prior to Genesis 3, or was that impossible? __________

 

[garee]

i don't see how we get that from dry land appearing and God causing the earth to bring forth botanical life? why not between verse 1 and verse 2, when somehow a formless void and darkness comes to exist, and He separates darkness from light? makes more sense to me. does 'evening' exist before sin is found in Satan, is essentially that question, because day 1 starts with darkness. when does time start?
i mean, seriously, what about day 3 makes that the day? what convinces you of it?
sorry if you've already said and i missed it.

I understand darkness without order or Chaos is a globe without a revealed purpose. The darkness that was upon the face of the deep is nothingness. And the Spirit of God started to reveal his plan by entering the picture . Let there be light on the earth and the glory of God accomplished its purpose to show us in Him there is no darkness. He can form the light of his path or way, as the way, truth and life .He can create darkness if he hides the light.

I would think time started when God said the word "In" Used in the phrase. . In the beginning . Already illuminating darkness on the face of the deep and God saw it was good. Sort of like the phrase …"Show Time", lights, quills and parchment, the Holy Spirit is moving revealing His will..

It would seem that day four the Timex sun dial fad started .

 

[garee]

so did either of them have dandruff prior to Genesis 3, or was that impossible? __________

I think they had a anti corruption solution called. . "Fountain of Youth". Keeps the toxins in.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

so did either of them have dandruff prior to Genesis 3, or was that impossible? __________

 

[Shekinahglory]

i have the view that their bodies began to decay when they ate of the fruit - that this is the meaning of 'dying, you will die' - that they began dying then. death entered through sin, and in Adam all die. even as we partake in Christ, THE LAMB, our bodies return to dust, as it is appointed once for man to die, until the resurrection, and as He has said, the one believing in Him, though they die, shall live. you could posit that in sacrificing a lamb ((or possibly two lambs? hmm)) and covering them, He makes atonement, and through faith He guarantees to them life in the spirit, yet their bodies continue to turn back to dust. we also were as dead, until He gave us life

Hi you one of the few people I have come across that speaks of the Lamb who was sacrificed. If you don’t mind tell me what you think about my understanding. Thanks.

the sheep fall and dying the die immediately spiritually with the flesh going through same process we do. Good Shepherd comes calls His sheep they hear and respond. The Lord gives them chance to confess they don’t. The Lamb is slain, the innocent for the guilty. They are covered with its blood. Adam and Eve learned where the sacrifice was to be made, same place Abraham and Isaac. What will later be known as the Mercy Seat Ark of the Covenat is set up angel on either end and Shekinah Glory the flaming Sword. They learned when it was to be offered. I believe Nisan 14 and this will all become what we know As The Passover when Israel is trapped in Egypt. Anyhow some of my thoughts on what I think is a passage far more important than we presently understand.

 

[posthuman]

I would think time started when God said the word "In" Used in the phrase. . In the beginning . Already illuminating darkness on the face of the deep and God saw it was good. Sort of like the phrase …"Show Time", lights, quills and parchment, the Holy Spirit is moving revealing His will..

"in" is a spatial reference. kinda cool that time and space are linked with the very first words of this book

 

[posthuman]

Hi you one of the few people I have come across that speaks of the Lamb who was sacrificed. If you don’t mind tell me what you think about my understanding. Thanks.

the sheep fall and dying the die immediately spiritually with the flesh going through same process we do. Good Shepherd comes calls His sheep they hear and respond. The Lord gives them chance to confess they don’t. The Lamb is slain, the innocent for the guilty. They are covered with its blood. Adam and Eve learned where the sacrifice was to be made, same place Abraham and Isaac. What will later be known as the Mercy Seat Ark of the Covenat is set up angel on either end and Shekinah Glory the flaming Sword. They learned when it was to be offered. I believe Nisan 14 and this will all become what we know As The Passover when Israel is trapped in Egypt. Anyhow some of my thoughts on what I think is a passage far more important than we presently understand.

thanks

i do believe they both confess. they both say "i ate." i don't believe Adam is blaming either his wife or God ((details on that over the last dozen pages or something)) - i think his reply to God is without deceit, as is Woman's. i do believe that they commemorate the giving of their garments at a certain time and in a place - that their sons do, too. i wonder if Adam didn't come up with what to do without being told - i think Adam is extraordinarily wise among men; God greatly honors him in scripture.

what do you think became of the garments?

 

[Shekinahglory]

thanks

i do believe they both confess. they both say "i ate." i don't believe Adam is blaming either his wife or God ((details on that over the last dozen pages or something)) - i think his reply to God is without deceit, as is Woman's. i do believe that they commemorate the giving of their garments at a certain time and in a place - that their sons do, too. i wonder if Adam didn't come up with what to do without being told - i think Adam is extraordinarily wise among men; God greatly honors him in scripture.

what do you think became of the garments?

I think it is like with a lot of things with men, keep it and it becomes a shroud of Turin. I am not disrespecting Catholics. Men have a tendency to worship things even if they are not of God. I think the Lord may have removed them or possibly Adam could be obedient and removed them. What a mess it would be if they turned up. Everyone would want them. Pretty valuable items I would think.

 

[posthuman]

I think it is like with a lot of things with men, keep it and it becomes a shroud of Turin. I am not disrespecting Catholics. Men have a tendency to worship things even if they are not of God. I think the Lord may have removed them or possibly Adam could be obedient and removed them. What a mess it would be if they turned up. Everyone would want them. Pretty valuable items I would think.

yes i think it would be like Achan at Jericho.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

so did either of them have dandruff prior to Genesis 3, or was that impossible? __________

Everything GOD made was good and sin followed by death did not enter the world until the man adam was disobedient to the voice of GOD ,so then unless dandruff Is a good thing,I would think the answer would be no there was no dandruff.🙃