Is The Great Tribulation for Born Again Christians?

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The bible says that The LORD HIMSELF will descend from heaven with a command/cry with the VOICE of an archangel and the dead In CHRIST shall rise first and then those Christians that are still alive at the time will be caught up to meet them In the clouds to a GLORIOUS meeting with the LORD(Imagine that) and so shall we EVER be with the LORD.

So then that sounds like the great tribulation Is not for christians.
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The bible says that The LORD HIMSELF will descend from heaven with a command/cry with the VOICE of an archangel and the dead In CHRIST shall rise first and then those Christians that are still alive at the time will be caught up to meet them In the clouds to a GLORIOUS meeting with the LORD(Imagine that) and so shall we EVER be with the LORD.

So then that sounds like the great tribulation Is not for christians.
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The great tribulation would have to be for the born again Christians, and not the hypocrites.

Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
Rev 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Rev 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

This war has not happened yet and will happen halfway through the 7 years period because during the first half the world hindered the Gospel and went by the new age movement, and a hate crime to preach anything contrary to it for they will say it is not the truth, and they want peace.

Rev 18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

Dan 8:23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.
Dan 8:24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.

2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

During the first three and one half years the world went by the new age movement, and hindered the Gospel of Christ on a world wide level, and anything else contrary to the new age movement, so at the end of the first half God allows the man of sin, New Age Christ to rule over them.

Which then war will break out in heaven and the devils will be cast to earth, and Satan appears as the man of sin, and the devils will deceive all people who do not love God to follow the beast which is the strong delusion that God will send all people who do not love the truth.

Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Dan 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time(three and one half years).

Dan 12:7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half(three and one half years); and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

During the last three and one half years the beast makes war against the saints, and will persecute all people that keep the commandments of God, and the testimony of Jesus Christ.

That means when Satan appears as the man of sin, New Age Christ, there is a dividing between the world and the saints.

Since God is giving strong delusion to all who love not the truth but have pleasure in righteousness then the world will follow the beast, and all the hypocrites will follow the beast.

That means only those that are born again Christians, led of the Spirit and acting like Christ will be left, and the only people the beast will persecute and make war with them.

There will be no other people the beast will persecute but born again Christians for all the world and hypocrites will be given strong delusion to follow the beast because they did not love the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness, so the only people left not on the beast's side is born again Christians.

There is no middle ground but either a born again Christian or following the beast when the beast persecutes, and there is not going to be Muslims floating around, or Buddhists, or any other religion for they will all be on the beast's side for they cannot fight against the strong delusion for not loving the truth.

And the tribulation is for the saints not the world, which Jesus said it is the greatest persecution against the truth, and the saints.
 

Ghoti2

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I don't think there were too many "Born Again Christians" back in 70 AD.
 
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The great tribulation for the whole world is the lasts days. a unknown signified by a thousand years. It began when Christ said he was finished. The veil is rent the time of reformation had begun.

On the last day immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened And the glory of God will appear as the light of the new creation. Its the end of time . The former things will not be remembered or ever come to mind. We walk by faith the unseen eternal

And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof. And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it. And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there. Revelation 21: 23-25
 
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during the Tribulation, many will for Christ's Love's sake will willingly sacrifice themselves for their B's & S's...
 
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during the Tribulation, many will for Christ's Love's sake will willingly sacrifice themselves for their B's & S's...
Many are B's & S's. We are in the last days. The days of great tribulation. The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven . On the last day the Spirit of Christ will execute the judgment that he already made. Death, the book of the law as to the letter that kills will be cast out into the lake of judgment never to rise and condemn another whole creation.
 

John146

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Many are B's & S's. We are in the last days. The days of great tribulation. The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven . On the last day the Spirit of Christ will execute the judgment that he already made. Death, the book of the law as to the letter that kills will be cast out into the lake of judgment never to rise and condemn another whole creation.
Wow, it’s not that bad. I thought it was to be like no other. I believe the days of Noah were worse than this.
 
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Wow, it’s not that bad. I thought it was to be like no other. I believe the days of Noah were worse than this.
I would think it would depend on what bad is? Bad according to what or who?

The lasts dayswe are in are like no other .or any to come Jewish flesh used to represent mankind as a whole came to a end the time of reformation had come .the veil is rent .
. .Restoring a period of time back to the Judges. No outward representative. Confusing men. Men running to and fro . The perfect "it is finished"... had come. Born again men were once again identified as those who walk by faith , serving a unseen God as King of kings. walking by faith .

We are no longer to follow after the carnal pagan form of government. . Out of sight out of mind (faithless) Its departure is still causing great tribulation. Men crying out to wailing walls as idol worship etc . Identified by the scriptures as antichrists ,(many) having not the father and the Son.

Same kind of signs of the times as in Noah's day , every imagination of the thoughts of the heart of mankind was only evil continually. People marrying , wars and rumors of wars, famines, false prophets and then the end came like a flood , like a thief in the night . In both references. Noah and the last. last day .

And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. Genesis 6:5-6

And the end came..

For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. All these are the beginning of sorrows. Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. Mathew 24: 5-14

And the end of all time comes.

No need to look for a outward sign as some sort of supernatural tribulation after the imagination of the thoughts of ones own heart.

The church will not disappear for a season to be saved from it . It is part of the work of the reformation getting the gospel seed out so that men might have Christ' sabbath rest yoked with their tribulation making the load lighter. . Its our great tribulation or honor as a kingdom of priests .The great commission
 

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The bible says that The LORD HIMSELF will descend from heaven with a command/cry with the VOICE of an archangel and the dead In CHRIST shall rise first and then those Christians that are still alive at the time will be caught up to meet them In the clouds to a GLORIOUS meeting with the LORD(Imagine that) and so shall we EVER be with the LORD.

So then that sounds like the great tribulation Is not for christians.
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People seem to mix up the great tribulation with the outpouring of the wrath of God in the end times..

Great Tribulation is what the enemies of God and followers of satan will do to Christians in the end times. They will persecute and kill true followers of Jesus..

The Wrath is the great disasters that God will bring down upon the people that will persecute and kill Christians.
 

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There are numerous biblical references to Christians who are present during the tribulation, but scripture indicates they will be marked by God and protected by Him through the tribulation just as Noah was protected through the flood and lot was protected from the destruction in Sodom and Gomorrah.
 
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There are numerous biblical references to Christians who are present during the tribulation, but scripture indicates they will be marked by God and protected by Him through the tribulation just as Noah was protected through the flood and lot was protected from the destruction in Sodom and Gomorrah.
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you are certainly partially right, but the Bibles tells us that there will be some that will willingly die
for their Saviour, here are just 2, the Two Witnesses...
 

John146

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The church will not disappear for a season to be saved from it
You say the Church will go through the great tribulation. I ask you which part of the Church, which part of the body of Christ?

The Church is the entire body of believers from the resurrection unto now. The majority of the Church has died and are with Christ.
 

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The great tribulation is for wayward Israel. The church is in the presence of God when Israel goes through the great tribulation. You cannot find the church on the earth during the great tribulation time.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

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The great tribulation is for wayward Israel. The church is in the presence of God when Israel goes through the great tribulation. You cannot find the church on the earth during the great tribulation time.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
Kind of hard to find the church also in these days and times.