The need for spiritual gifts

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Dino246

Dino246

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KelbyofGod said:
Dino,
Sorry for the delay. Just been busy.

The need for discernment of God's word (whether written or prophesied) is exactly what each individual had to learn to do before there was a canonized "Bible".

This, like the spiritual gifts, is still in function today.


Perhaps I had the advantage in being raised in an inaccurate church (one that fell short of teaching the truth about salvation).

Once I'd discovered that my pastor was teaching false and incomplete doctrine, I did indeed distrust EVERYTHING I'd been taught. I had to take it ALL to God and ask him what he really requires....including whether the bible was true, and including praying in the name of Jesus....because all of those things were taught by my errant pastor. (God was indeed faithful to answer. And yes, some things that my pastor taught were actually correct. But until I sought God for the truth of it for myself, I didn't know... I was just trusting what others told me.)

God's word is no more (or less) powerful in either written or spoken forms. God's word is God's word. If God (or some other spirit) spoke something to you, it's either God's word or it isn't. If it is, you can trust is as surely as any scripture. If it's not, you can't trust it at all. Period. It's the difference between knowing God's voice and not knowing it. And I realize I'm not saying anything there that you don't already know. I personally feel like you are simply underestimating the importance of what you know.

Love in Jesus,
Kelby
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Generally, I can agree with the part in bold. However, I disagree with the part in italics.

Something that God has recorded in Scripture is for every believer at every time period since it was written. Something that God spoke to me is for me (or possibly for another individual or group) at a specific time in a specific context but distinctly not for every believer and not for all time or all contexts.
 
Dino246

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garee said:
The 12 that were sent out were a remnant of all listed 27. The 12 were set apart for a exclusive reason to be used in a parable to represent all of the saints on this side of the reformation or cross. Apostles are used as walls describing his bride the church .(Revelation 21) While tribes are used as gates in which men, apostles are sent out or enter into.They represent the old testament saints that make up the same one bride the church .

Abel it would seem is the first apostle and first martyr sent out with the gospel . Cain the first murder first motivated by the father of lies . . . the murderer #1from that beginning.
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The twelve were not a remnant, they weren't a parable, and they weren't representative of all believers. Where do you get such claptrap?
 
notuptome

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Dino246 said:
Generally, I can agree with the part in bold. However, I disagree with the part in italics.

Something that God has recorded in Scripture is for every believer at every time period since it was written. Something that God spoke to me is for me (or possibly for another individual or group) at a specific time in a specific context but distinctly not for every believer and not for all time or all contexts.
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God speaks to all men through His word. God is not telling you a different revelation from what He has spoken for all men.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
Dino246

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notuptome said:
God speaks to all men through His word. God is not telling you a different revelation from what He has spoken for all men.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
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He has done so many times, none of which are any of your business.
 
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Dino246 said:
Generally, I can agree with the part in bold. However, I disagree with the part in italics.

Something that God has recorded in Scripture is for every believer at every time period since it was written. Something that God spoke to me is for me (or possibly for another individual or group) at a specific time in a specific context but distinctly not for every believer and not for all time or all contexts.
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Ah. We agree that discernment MUST be used outside direct quotes of the bible. And I agree on the stipulations you presented even after determining that God has spoke a certain thing. (the Who is it for, and When is it appropriate?)

And two scriptures require the same scrutiny to be used on bible passages as well. 2nd Timothy's "rightly dividing the word of truth" (unless you'd claim the bible somehow isn't the word of truth) and Ecclesiastes 3:1's "To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:". I'm guessing you've noticed that it causes problems when people fail to rightly divide the proper 'who and when' allotted for tongues and prophesying (whether through improper USE in the congregation OR through denial and REFUSING TO ALLOW them to be used).

On the italics part:
I'm kind of surprised at your disagreement on this point. God's word to you won't fail. If something is God's word, you can certainly trust it. If it was only said to a specific situation, then it should only be used in that situation whether given in prophecy, dream, word or scripture. Like the commandment from God to Paul to "Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do" (Acts 9:6 KJV) Don't we both agree that this commandment is scripture? But if someone tries to apply this SCRIPTURE to their situation and go sit in Damascus...I think they'd have little right to expect the same result. It doesn't matter whether it's written or spoken...contained in the bible or somewhere else...he rules regarding God's word (and need for discernment) are established and apply wherever it is.

BTW, Do you hold your current view that all scripture must be in the bible because you read that statement somewhere in the bible, or because some man told it to you and it seemed to make sense (without actually asking God if it was true)?

Also, I hope you know that my answers to you are with respect of who you are in Jesus and not said simply to be argumentative.

Love in Jesus,
Kelby
 
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KelbyofGod

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oops.. just noticed one sentence was missing a "t".. it should have said"The rules regarding God's word (and need for discernment) are established and apply wherever it is."
 
Victor1999

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Both types of gifts you've described are from God. Remember in the old testament when God would bless righteous men with beautiful daughters and lots of animals? One example is job, before and after what happened to him, he received these gifts from God.

And yes there are also spiritual gifts from God. I think the church was not entirely wrong, talents are gifts from God, but only part of it. If I had to write beautifully about it I would say that people receive gifts every time they're born, which is beauty and talents on the physical birth and spiritual gifts on being "born again".
 
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