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MultilingualMessenger

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Dibby53 said:
So is divorce ( except under strict conditions). Jesus said that if someone divorces their partner and remarries they commit adultery.
Is the church saying to all the people on their 2nd, 3rd or even more marriages that they need to repent? Are they being asked to annul those marriages and go back to their first husband or wife, or to remain single?
If not, then why make allowances for one group of people but not another?? As you say, God makes the rules.
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You turning from your sin should not be contingent on whether other people turn from theirs. At the end of the day, you can only turn from and be cleansed of yours.

I repent when I fall short. Whether others are told to repent for other things does not determine whether I decide to ask for forgiveness for my thing and act in accordance with what God wants.

Take it from me; I came out of the LGBT life when I received Christ. It's not impossible and no excuses should be made for the LGBT community.
 
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Dibby53 said:
So is divorce ( except under strict conditions). Jesus said that if someone divorces their partner and remarries they commit adultery.
Is the church saying to all the people on their 2nd, 3rd or even more marriages that they need to repent? Are they being asked to annul those marriages and go back to their first husband or wife, or to remain single?
If not, then why make allowances for one group of people but not another?? As you say, God makes the rules.
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I told you I was not going to reply to you again but this is a different concern. I aly expressed my concerns and advice over your assumption that God is ok with sexual perversion. He isn't

what about divorce? this thread is not about that though is it

you are not responsible for someone's elses sin...IF it is sin because there are biblical reasons for divorce...you are only responsible for your own sin

further, the Bible does not forbid marriage

it forbids fornication and adultery

it does forbid sexual perversion also

your red herring does not swim
 
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Dibby53 said:
I agree. I,m not sure hating is the way to go. Hatred doesn't tend to bring understanding and enlightened thinking to what we hate. This is especially true when we are trying to work out the inner working of someone else's soul, which only God knows. So who are we to judge others? I seek self knowledge. Only I can get to understand those problem areas in my psyche that keep me from expressing the image of God. Jesus was clear when he said we need to attend to our own sin, not poking around telling people what we think their sin is. Take the great log out of your own eye, then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brothers eye, he said. It is a speck because we just don't know someone elses psyche.
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God hates sin

tell Him about

all the phony love in the world helps no one at all

God loves His creation but sin cannot be in His presence. you cannot live in sin continually or practice a sinful lifestyle and say you are saved.

all of the above is in scripture, unlike quotes from Gandhi and folks who just cannot believe God hates sin as much as He does
 
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I understand the sentiment of hate the sin, but love the sinner... I think we can hate sin on a general level but I feel like it is difficult to separate out the person from their sin..... I mean we all sin correct?

What I find really troublesome is when people state that God hates sinners and we are to do the same.... that is a problem.
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no one said that here that I am aware of. I certainly didn't

another red herring for the road?

what God hates is sin and those who love their sin will keep it, but they cannot say they love God as well and He will not accept the sin when He has made it clear He will not

that is all in scripture
 
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7seasrekeyed said:
no one said that here that I am aware of. I certainly didn't

another red herring for the road?

what God hates is sin and those who love their sin will keep it, but they cannot say they love God as well and He will not accept the sin when He has made it clear He will not

that is all in scripture
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No not you... people outside of CC
 
Dibby53

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7seasrekeyed said:
I told you I was not going to reply to you again but this is a different concern. I aly expressed my concerns and advice over your assumption that God is ok with sexual perversion. He isn't

what about divorce? this thread is not about that though is it

you are not responsible for someone's elses sin...IF it is sin because there are biblical reasons for divorce...you are only responsible for your own sin

further, the Bible does not forbid marriage

it forbids fornication and adultery

it does forbid sexual perversion also

your red herring does not swim
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Jesus says that anyone who divorces his or her partner ( except for sexual infidelity) commits adultery. You say the bible condemns adultery. So why do I never hear a preacher railing against people in the church who are on their 2nd or more husband, or wife? Why does the church not condemn it in the way that they condemn homosexuals?
Indeed I am responsible for my sin and I,m definitely not responsible for your sin, so you are right on this point. But you then tell me that God isn't ok with sexual perversion....so I guess you must think I,m a pervert? So you are quite happy to point out that particular sin rather than leave it between me and God!
 
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MultilingualMessenger said:
You turning from your sin should not be contingent on whether other people turn from theirs. At the end of the day, you can only turn from and be cleansed of yours.

I repent when I fall short. Whether others are told to repent for other things does not determine whether I decide to ask for forgiveness for my thing and act in accordance with what God wants.

Take it from me; I came out of the LGBT life when I received Christ. It's not impossible and no excuses should be made for the LGBT community.
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Other peoples sin is of no concern to me. It is between them and God. As is mine. My point was that as an organisation the church will preach heavily against homosexuality ( which they say is against God's word) but not against people being married a 2nd or more times whilst their previous married partner is still alive (which is also against the teaching of Jesus....he calls them adulterers).

If you don't mind me asking. Has your sexuality now changed?
 
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Dibby53 said:
Jesus says that anyone who divorces his or her partner ( except for sexual infidelity) commits adultery. You say the bible condemns adultery. So why do I never hear a preacher railing against people in the church who are on their 2nd or more husband, or wife? Why does the church not condemn it in the way that they condemn homosexuals?
Indeed I am responsible for my sin and I,m definitely not responsible for your sin, so you are right on this point. But you then tell me that God isn't ok with sexual perversion....so I guess you must think I,m a pervert? So you are quite happy to point out that particular sin rather than leave it between me and God!
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oh my

so so many little red fishies swimming around in your pond

right. did I say otherwise about divorce? of course for adultery...nothing to do with your scenario

I've heard plenty about sinful behavior from the platform. maybe change churches if yours condones sinning

homosexuality is sexual perversion

but I did not call you a pervert.

dude...this thread is about the LGBDQ and any other alphabetical offerings along those lines...there is plenty of types of sin to go around, but this thread is about those sins

I need to go back to not talking to you cause I really have already said what I had to say and now you are just ignoring the elephant in the room...or trying to
 
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7seasrekeyed said:
oh my

so so many little red fishies swimming around in your pond

right. did I say otherwise about divorce? of course for adultery...nothing to do with your scenario

I've heard plenty about sinful behavior from the platform. maybe change churches if yours condones sinning

homosexuality is sexual perversion

but I did not call you a pervert.

dude...this thread is about the LGBDQ and any other alphabetical offerings along those lines...there is plenty of types of sin to go around, but this thread is about those sins

I need to go back to not talking to you cause I really have already said what I had to say and now you are just ignoring the elephant in the room...or trying to
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I don't think you understand the point I,m trying to make. I,m not sure I understand about fishes in ponds lol. Fine, if you don't want to discuss further. Peace to you xx
 
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7seasrekeyed

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well there is a difference between discussing what someone says or dodging what someone says and inserting what they did not say

no hard feelings

as you were

 
calibob

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Dibby53 said:
Jesus says that anyone who divorces his or her partner ( except for sexual infidelity) commits adultery. You say the bible condemns adultery. So why do I never hear a preacher railing against people in the church who are on their 2nd or more husband, or wife? Why does the church not condemn it in the way that they condemn homosexuals?
Indeed I am responsible for my sin and I,m definitely not responsible for your sin, so you are right on this point. But you then tell me that God isn't ok with sexual perversion....so I guess you must think I,m a pervert? So you are quite happy to point out that particular sin rather than leave it between me and God!
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Well I will abandon thread after this> Matthew 5:27 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery. 28. But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart." and it furthermore says in 32. "But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, makes her the victim of adultery, and anyone who marries a divorced woman commits adultery."

The catch that most law givers miss, is that verses 27&28 already identify most men as adulterers. If they unjustly divorce their spouse and the former spouse marries another the sin of adultery falls not only upon the second husband, (in this case,) but also upon the first.

Under this system it was nearly impossible to not be guilty in some form or fashon. The hipocritical part was, having multiple wives and even concubines was acceptable. Jesus allowed himself to be sacrificed to free us from this manusha.

As far as homosexual behavior goes, I think abstinence is the most logical alternative. If they cannot or will not be turned from the un-natural desires and or cravings to physically bond with another person of the same sex. The most obvious answer is no sex. Abstinence is not a sin.
 
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I have to admit that I really don’t know enough about homosexuality and it’s no point in me debating it anymore.
 
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blue_ladybug said:
I am SOOO gonna use this.. lol
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haha

I will be using it again too

but that is your fav color of kitty as well

I actually thought of making it smaller and putting it in my signature line
 
calibob

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1 Corinthians 6:11 11And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the LORD Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
 
calibob

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Does not anybody think that God has more compassion than King David? Saul repeatedly tried to murder him as well set him up to be killed But David was a man after Gods own heart. When Saul was killed David got angry. And after Absalom was killed while he was hanging from a tree even though Absalom was trying to usurp him and took his fathers concubines to the palace roof top and made a public spectacle. The point is David mourned anyway. I think God mourns when a sinner never comes around to repenting. Regardless. I don't think the Lord delights in punishment of others at all. Some folks just surrender!

23Do I take any pleasure in the death of the wicked? declares the Lord GOD. Would I not prefer he turn from his ways and live?
 
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Dibby53 said:
Jesus says that anyone who divorces his or her partner ( except for sexual infidelity) commits adultery. You say the bible condemns adultery. So why do I never hear a preacher railing against people in the church who are on their 2nd or more husband, or wife? Why does the church not condemn it in the way that they condemn homosexuals?
Indeed I am responsible for my sin and I,m definitely not responsible for your sin, so you are right on this point. But you then tell me that God isn't ok with sexual perversion....so I guess you must think I,m a pervert? So you are quite happy to point out that particular sin rather than leave it between me and God!
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If someone is a Christian and going through a divorce, if the other spouse was interested in other women, that is grounds for divorce. If they married and it didn't work out, as a Christian they should go before God and confess their mistake and He will forgive them. Just the same if someone murders someone and sincerely repents to God they will be forgiven.
 
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