Mary as the mother of God?

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Loloy

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really?... is there a proof for this?
 
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EverlastingChange

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If you are meaning in the sense of worshipping or praying to her, Yes that is wrong cause the bible tells us this in 1 Timothy 2:5 - For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.

Or if you were simply on about "was Mary really Jesus' mother?", then the bible tells us this in Matthew 1:18-25...

18 This is how the birth of Jesus the Messiah came about: His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be pregnant through the Holy Spirit. 19 Because Joseph her husband was faithful to the law, and yet did not want to expose her to public disgrace, he had in mind to divorce her quietly.
20 But after he had considered this, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, “Joseph son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary home as your wife, because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. 21 She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus,[c] because he will save his people from their sins.”

22 All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet: 23 “The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel” (which means “God with us”).

24 When Joseph woke up, he did what the angel of the Lord had commanded him and took Mary home as his wife. 25 But he did not consummate their marriage until she gave birth to a son. And he gave him the name Jesus.
 
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If you are meaning in the sense of worshipping or praying to her, Yes that is wrong cause the bible tells us this in 1 Timothy 2:5 - For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.

Or if you were simply on about "was Mary really Jesus' mother?", then the bible tells us this in Matthew 1:18-25...

18 This is how the birth of Jesus the Messiah came about: His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be pregnant through the Holy Spirit. 19 Because Joseph her husband was faithful to the law, and yet did not want to expose her to public disgrace, he had in mind to divorce her quietly.
20 But after he had considered this, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, “Joseph son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary home as your wife, because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. 21 She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus,[c] because he will save his people from their sins.”

22 All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet: 23 “The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel” (which means “God with us”).

24 When Joseph woke up, he did what the angel of the Lord had commanded him and took Mary home as his wife. 25 But he did not consummate their marriage until she gave birth to a son. And he gave him the name Jesus.
I agree that Mary became the mother of Jesus..

I heared some catholic prayers that states Mary as the mother of God.
but how did she become the mother of God? when? how?
 
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It is a convoluted twist. Jesus is indeed God in the flesh. He preexisted as the Word who was with God and was God.

Mary conceived by the power of the Holy Spirit. She gave birth to the human aspect of Jesus' nature.

She did not give birth to God in the sense that God owes his origin to her. She is a part of creation; he is the creator.
 
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Scotth1960

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It is a convoluted twist. Jesus is indeed God in the flesh. He preexisted as the Word who was with God and was God.

Mary conceived by the power of the Holy Spirit. She gave birth to the human aspect of Jesus' nature.

She did not give birth to God in the sense that God owes his origin to her. She is a part of creation; he is the creator.
If Mary is the Mother of Jesus, and if Jesus is God, then Mary is the Mother of God. The term protects the Divinity of Christ. She did not cause His Divinity. But His Divinity is united to His humanity in His conception, so she brought God the Son into the world. She did not cause Him to exist; she merely is the vessel the Father used to bring for His Son, God manifest in the flesh through the body of the Virgin Mary. Take care.
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Crazy4GODword

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yeah we shouldn't worship mary....like many or some or one here said she only gave birth to the flesh, not the Spirit. :)
 
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If Mary is the Mother of Jesus, and if Jesus is God, then Mary is the Mother of God. The term protects the Divinity of Christ. She did not cause His Divinity. But His Divinity is united to His humanity in His conception, so she brought God the Son into the world. She did not cause Him to exist; she merely is the vessel the Father used to bring for His Son, God manifest in the flesh through the body of the Virgin Mary. Take care.
Scott . Erie
i see where your coming from, does say she will be called blessed for all ages, however the created cant be worshipped above or equal to the creator i would think:)
 
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eternally-gratefull

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i see where your coming from, does say she will be called blessed for all ages, however the created cant be worshipped above or equal to the creator i would think:)
Remember. Mary was a sinner when she concieved, She was a sinner while she carried the Son, And she was a sinner until the day she died.

Her son redeemed her like he redeemed the rest of us. He was not only her son, but her savior.

She is to be blessed, Because of what she had to go through (a fornicator or adulterer, giving birth to a bastard son) which in her day women who did this were outcasts of society. Yet she did this for God. and is blessed because of it.
 
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Loloy

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If Mary is the Mother of Jesus, and if Jesus is God, then Mary is the Mother of God. The term protects the Divinity of Christ. She did not cause His Divinity. But His Divinity is united to His humanity in His conception, so she brought God the Son into the world. She did not cause Him to exist; she merely is the vessel the Father used to bring for His Son, God manifest in the flesh through the body of the Virgin Mary. Take care.
Scott . Erie
Speaking to the Divinity of Jesus, i think Mary did not deserve the credit for being the mother of God since Jesus Divinity is already pre-existed before Mary exist (Micah 5:2). She did not conceived Jesus' Divinity.

But speaking Jesus in the flesh - Mary did not even conceived Jesus since the Holy Spirit is the One who conceive it.

In biology we know that a baby is rooted from the union of two fertile sperm and egg cells... when the sperm meets the egg cell then the process of life begins, multiplying cells, and later on eventually become a baby. But since Mary, at this time, has never been touched by any male (that's why she birthed a virgin birth) it is a miracle that has happened to her; so there's no union between the sperm and the egg cell that occur here.

So therefore Mary does not have any credit for being a mother of Jesus Humanity since she even does not have a blood connection to Jesus. That's why Jesus is described as the second Adam, remember the Hebrews? He has no beginning and the end - He has no origin.

Mary only became the mother of Jesus by the Law - since she is the guardian -
 
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Remember. Mary was a sinner when she concieved, She was a sinner while she carried the Son, And she was a sinner until the day she died.

Her son redeemed her like he redeemed the rest of us. He was not only her son, but her savior.

She is to be blessed, Because of what she had to go through (a fornicator or adulterer, giving birth to a bastard son) which in her day women who did this were outcasts of society. Yet she did this for God. and is blessed because of it.

amen, we still give her honor and respect
 
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Loloy

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Remember. Mary was a sinner when she concieved, She was a sinner while she carried the Son, And she was a sinner until the day she died.

Her son redeemed her like he redeemed the rest of us. He was not only her son, but her savior.

She is to be blessed, Because of what she had to go through (a fornicator or adulterer, giving birth to a bastard son) which in her day women who did this were outcasts of society. Yet she did this for God. and is blessed because of it.
This only implies God will use you no matter what or who you are - as long as you are available to be used by God... ;)
 
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eternally-gratefull

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This only implies God will use you no matter what or who you are - as long as you are available to be used by God... ;)

Amen! We all can be used By God, In fact he does have a plan for all of us.
 
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Ummmmm... There's much more to this than is being considered. An understanding of the propagation of human souls-spirits is essential to recognize what actually happened during the virgin birth. Knowing who the Father and Spirit are is also vital. If they are "persons", then the Holy Spirit is the Father of Jesus.

Ask yourself every conceivable question about Jesus' soul and spirit as a man. Few have any better understanding of man's spirit-soul-body constitution than they do of God's.
 
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Loloy

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Ummmmm... There's much more to this than is being considered. An understanding of the propagation of human souls-spirits is essential to recognize what actually happened during the virgin birth. Knowing who the Father and Spirit are is also vital. If they are "persons", then the Holy Spirit is the Father of Jesus.

Ask yourself every conceivable question about Jesus' soul and spirit as a man. Few have any better understanding of man's spirit-soul-body constitution than they do of God's.
Interesting... can you explain further?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Ummmmm... There's much more to this than is being considered. An understanding of the propagation of human souls-spirits is essential to recognize what actually happened during the virgin birth. Knowing who the Father and Spirit are is also vital. If they are "persons", then the Holy Spirit is the Father of Jesus.

Ask yourself every conceivable question about Jesus' soul and spirit as a man. Few have any better understanding of man's spirit-soul-body constitution than they do of God's.
No, You guys make me laugh. Scripture states Mary's seed was touched by the HS. It did not say the HS gave mary his seed.

God created man, and created the reproductive process. Thus God knows how to make the seed work.

The HS helped create the Body, in which at the moment of birth Jesus (who at one moment was devine in nature with all the attributes of God. set aside this divine nature, and entered the BODY which the HS helped to create.

Imagine what happened, Jesus at one moment was in heaven with his devine nature in tact. The nexdt moment his soul was in a body, laying in a manger (feeding trough) smelling the stink all barns have, and clothed with his mothers underwear.

Can anyone deny the love of God??
 
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really?... is there a proof for this?
Mary, technically, is the mother of Jesus because she gave birth to him. Read the Bible. That doesn’t make her divine.

Remember that she was still a virgin when she gave birth to Jesus.
 
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Interesting... can you explain further?
In order to be an in-the-flesh actual man, whether Deity or not, Jesus HAD to have a human spirit and soul. The body without the spirit is dead (James 2:26), and the life (soul: nephesh H5315) of the flesh is in the blood (Lev. 17:11). To have physical life, the spirit is joined to the body; from which joining the soul emerges as the life of the breath (spirit: pneuma G4151) carried as oxygenation for the body within the blood.

Biologically, a child's blood comes from the Father. The soul-life is in that blood. That soul had to be derived from spirit-body joining to emerge as the third part of man's constitution (1Thess. 5:23).

God rested from ALL creation in Genesis 2:1. The procreation of man is a delegated process that means God's spoken word (logos) of creation sustains all of creation for all of time. He needn't speak again. He needn't create again. His word is all-sufficient. He didn't stutter or overlook or forget something. He spoke ALL of creation by His original creative word.

Meaning... God doesn't create new spirits or bodies at each human birth. All human spirits were propagated from the original spirit God breathed into Adam's nostrils. Likewise, all bodies are generated biologically from the physical loins of Adam. Each time a conception/implantation occurs, a body is given soul-life by receiving a spirit to initiate the procreation process. This is all internal from the Father and Mother, with no external infusion. God had to "insert" Himself in this process He established by His own immutable Word in creation.

So... What IS the constitution of Jesus in regards to the nature of His human soul and spirit? The soul is in the blood, which is derived from the Father. The spirit comes from the original Spirit-breathed source. God man Eve from Adam's rib, which is a marrow-producing bone; and blood comes from marrow. Eve received her spirit-soul from Adam, so all spirit-soul procreation is from the man... the father.

I could go into great detail, but the truth must be found through a revelation of this process regarding Jesus Christ and His nature and origin. The virgin birth was a Divine procreative act. It was not a creative act that simply occurred in the womb of a donor-virgin-body. Mary's biological contribution was an inherent part of the Incarnation.

...And this is but a glimpse.
 
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"For he took notice of his lowly servant girl, and from now on all generations will call me blessed."
(Luke 1:48 NLT)




The words of the Archangel Gabriel:

Notice that the Archangel hailed her. You do not hail someone who is below you in stature.

Luke 1:28 "And coming to her, he said, "Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with you."

The Greek kecharitomene means favored by grace, graced. Its tense suggests a permanent state of being "highly favored," thus full of grace.




Luke 1:43 "And how does this happen to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?

Kyrios is the Greek word used by the Jews in the Septuagint Bible (Greek translation) for Yhwh, the Divine Name of God. In her greeting of Mary, Elizabeth is saying: "How is it that the mother of my God should come to me."


Luke 1:42 "and blessed is the fruit of your womb."

Jesus is Mary's fruit. Good fruit does not come from anything but a good tree (Mt. 7:17-18)! The all-holy Son of God could not be the fruit of any other tree than the Immaculate Virgin.


Source: EWTN-* The Holy Rosary
 
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No, You guys make me laugh. Scripture states Mary's seed was touched by the HS.


To which passage are you referring?

It did not say the HS gave mary his seed.

God created man, and created the reproductive process. Thus God knows how to make the seed work.

The HS helped create the Body, in which at the moment of birth Jesus (who at one moment was devine in nature with all the attributes of God. set aside this divine nature, and entered the BODY which the HS helped to create.

Imagine what happened, Jesus at one moment was in heaven with his devine nature in tact. The nexdt moment his soul was in a body, laying in a manger (feeding trough) smelling the stink all barns have, and clothed with his mothers underwear.
A pre-existent separate divine person, caught unawares by such events... Nope. God's OWN Logos became flesh as the person (prosopon) of Jesus. (2Cor. 2:10)

Can anyone deny the love of God??
Many do.

(BTW... Trinitarians shouldn't laugh at anything. Well... except maybe Tom Cruise.)
 
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I strongly disagree with Mary being described as the mother of God. Its inference alone I find apalling

But I am not saying this simply to people of the RC faith

As so many Trinitarians have pointed out to me concerning their beliefs, they all must believe in effect the same thing