Who is God... Really?!

[Crazy4GODword]

i just hope people realise this has been going on for centuries and still no break thru

if ya want a lot of posts in a thread....make the topic about Trinity LOL

 

[PneumaPsucheSoma]

wow pps that is harsh.

remember without love all knowledge is but clanging brass.

they may still be christians and just don't fully understand the bible yet. not all people who believe as the "trinitarians" do are misguided.

for example most just believe that all three are one and leave it at that as their definition of trinity.

I'm not trying to be harsh. Notice there is only indoctrinated opinion and conceptual misunderstanding. The only scripture is goofy spoof-text challenge, with no exegesis and no thorough apologetic of any kind.

It's always like catching someone with their hand in the cookie jar, and they'll say anything to squirm out of it.

I was lost. I can't just anyone else's heart. But, I believe the vast majority of Trinitarians are lost as I was.

Even this thread gets bombarded and smothered with rhetoric and worse.

 

[PneumaPsucheSoma]

To make it clear... Pneuma -- can you give us your definition of the word "person"?

Why would I define person? It's not my definition of God, it's yours.

 

[PneumaPsucheSoma]

I am done. Have a good one..You won't change my mind and I will not change yours. So lets get to the important questions.

on to the Gospel. Which is more important.

It's the Gospel, and it sure matters to Trinitarians who have anathematized and judged the rest of the world from their indoctrinated error.

How can you believe in whom you have not heard?

Yep. You'll skate with no exegesis or apologetic, just like every other indoctrinated Trini.

Three "persons" is a false Gospel.

 

[Consumed]

this is when im hoping and praying that when two dont agree they give each other a brotherly kiss and pray for and with each other, if not, im standing in the gap anyway doing it for you guess whos with me and not against doing it - Jesus

 

[AnandaHya]

awww consumed that's sweet but i think pps sees who he used to be in eg and wants to save him some heartache. Don't worry PPS its' all in God's hands. EG is looking to do God's work and eventually when Jesus feels like it He will show us all the Truth of those debated scriptural verses.

it is more important to stick to what we all agree with: God is eternal, The son, the father, the holy spirit are all ONE which we call GOD. Jesus is the Son and was begotten not created. He died for our sins and Loves us and accepted us as Children of God.

lets be His hands and feet then?

YouTube - "Children Of God" - Official Music Video

 

[PneumaPsucheSoma]

this is when im hoping and praying that when two dont agree they give each other a brotherly kiss and pray for and with each other, if not, im standing in the gap anyway doing it for you guess whos with me and not against doing it - Jesus

awww consumed that's sweet but i think pps sees who he used to be in eg and wants to save him some heartache. Don't worry PPS its' all in God's hands. EG is looking to do God's work and eventually when Jesus feels like it He will show us all the Truth of those debated scriptural verses.

it is more important to stick to what we all agree with: God is eternal, The son, the father, the holy spirit are all ONE which we call GOD. Jesus is the Son and was begotten not created. He died for our sins and Loves us and accepted us as Children of God.

lets be His hands and feet then?

YouTube - "Children Of God" - Official Music Video

Amazing that this only happens when non-Trinitarians stand against the steamroller of loveless, truthless Trinitarianism that has squashed all else in its path for 1.7 millennia., and left Christendom in powerless divisive shambles.

I'm not being hateful and rude. I'm standing against men's tradition that has choked out truth for many.

 

[Consumed]

Amazing that this only happens when non-Trinitarians stand against the steamroller of loveless, truthless Trinitarianism that has squashed all else in its path for 1.7 millennia., and left Christendom in powerless divisive shambles.

I'm not being hateful and rude. I'm standing against men's tradition that has choked out truth for many.

as ive stated before brother, your heart is on fire for God, that is what truely matters, let no one steal kill or destroy that,

 

[eternally-gratefull]

It's the Gospel, and it sure matters to Trinitarians who have anathematized and judged the rest of the world from their indoctrinated error.

How can you believe in whom you have not heard?

Yep. You'll skate with no exegesis or apologetic, just like every other indoctrinated Trini.

Three "persons" is a false Gospel.

Hm. so your saying this is a salvation issue?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Amazing that this only happens when non-Trinitarians stand against the steamroller of loveless, truthless Trinitarianism that has squashed all else in its path for 1.7 millennia., and left Christendom in powerless divisive shambles.

I'm not being hateful and rude. I'm standing against men's tradition that has choked out truth for many.

LOL. Did not know I was loveless. Thanks for pointing that out to me

 

[eternally-gratefull]

as ive stated before brother, your heart is on fire for God, that is what truely matters, let no one steal kill or destroy that,

I agree completely

 

[PneumaPsucheSoma]

Hm. so your saying this is a salvation issue?

It was for me, and others testify the same.

Seriously... do you think the UPC Oneness folks have salvation? Most Trinis call them a cult. Trinis think everything and everyone else is lost and it's a salvific issue.

I also know some Trinis that have received this truth and said it was a deeper understanding of salvation they were sure of.

I think it CAN be salvific, and is for many.

 

[AnandaHya]

Amazing that this only happens when non-Trinitarians stand against the steamroller of loveless, truthless Trinitarianism that has squashed all else in its path for 1.7 millennia., and left Christendom in powerless divisive shambles.

I'm not being hateful and rude. I'm standing against men's tradition that has choked out truth for many.

ok explain.

what is your view of Trinitarians and its negative reprocussions on the church body?

I'm listening. I still stand by my earlier statement, IN HEAVEN they are ONE, on earth they AGREE as one which means they are manifested or testified through the blood, water and spirit which is embodied in Jesus christ our Lord and savior.

THE ONLY way to HEAVEN which is where the father, the word and the spirit resides and can be revealed through the blessings of the HOLY SPIRIT as it has poured forth earthly revelations upon the writers and readers of the Holy Word, our Bible.

so how does this three earthly person manifestation matter in the larger scale of things? In Heaven they are one, on earth they appear separate.

if you sit under the kitchen table the legs appear separate but when you are older you know they all make up the table.

 

[PneumaPsucheSoma]

LOL. Did not know I was loveless. Thanks for pointing that out to me

Notice I referred to Trinitarianism, not individuals.

Truth and love go hand in hand.

Trinis always take a "bye" or "mulligan" when it comes to scriptural exegesis. They're taught a simple paragraph statement and concept that they filter all scripture through. When challenged, they go into deflection and evasion.

But everyone else is a heretic and bound for hell. Plenty of social activities though.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

It was for me, and others testify the same.

Seriously... do you think the UPC Oneness folks have salvation? Most Trinis call them a cult. Trinis think everything and everyone else is lost and it's a salvific issue.

I also know some Trinis that have received this truth and said it was a deeper understanding of salvation they were sure of.

I think it CAN be salvific, and is for many.

Well thats just it Pneuma.

I think many are indoctrinated. Not only to what they believe, But what those apposed to them believe also.

In another thread (once saved always saved" I have had many people say that I, who believe in eternal security. believe and teach this and that. Which is not true. The believe this because they were either brought up in the system they think I follow. Or they were indoctrinated as to what I believe.

The same things is happening here. I have already showed how some of the things you were once taught or believe all trinitarians believe are not what I, or anyone I know believe.

Now if you believed Jesus was a mere righteous man who was a prophet. I would question your salvation.

But you believe Jesus is the son of God, sent by the father, who lived a life free of sin, fulfilled the law by doing this, and paid the just penalty we all deserve. So I do not doubt your salvation.

I may disagree with you on the issue in here. But I do not condemn you for it. nor do I think God will..

I also know where you are coming from.

I came from a legalistic background, and saw many of my good friends turned off by the phariseeism so rampant in the church today. Because they could not live up to the standard, or was not given time to grow and helped. Just judged. For this reason I can get quite passionate against this false gospel of works. And need from time to time to calm down. So I understand your passion!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Notice I referred to Trinitarianism, not individuals.

Truth and love go hand in hand.

Trinis always take a "bye" or "mulligan" when it comes to scriptural exegesis. They're taught a simple paragraph statement and concept that they filter all scripture through. When challenged, they go into deflection and evasion.

But everyone else is a heretic and bound for hell. Plenty of social activities though.

The problem is there is so many people who claim a false doctrine (Calvanists are masters of this) who claim if we would exegite right we would see their way. And of course, our exegesis is faulty no matter what we say.

So I do not get into these discussions. I have found them to be fruitless. I would rather agree to disagree on issues like this, then get into a heated debate especially when I see niether of us will change our mind, and it is NOT a salvic issue.

(now a salvic issue is different).

 

[PneumaPsucheSoma]

ok explain.

what is your view of Trinitarians and its negative reprocussions on the church body?

I'm listening. I still stand by my earlier statement, IN HEAVEN they are ONE, on earth they AGREE as one which means they are manifested or testified through the blood, water and spirit which is embodied in Jesus christ our Lord and savior.

THE ONLY way to HEAVEN which is where the father, the word and the spirit resides and can be revealed through the blessings of the HOLY SPIRIT as it has poured forth earthly revelations upon the writers and readers of the Holy Word, our Bible.

so how does this three earthly person manifestation matter in the larger scale of things? In Heaven they are one, on earth they appear separate.

if you sit under the kitchen table the legs appear separate but when you are older you know they all make up the table.

Even though you're not Trinitarian, I'm very surprised you don't see the difference. Compare it to how Trinis view and treat Oneness Pentecostals. They don't even include them as Christians.

When I was Trinitarian, I had no idea personally who God is. Most Trinis I talk with are the same. But they're all sure of what they believe conceptually. No scripture, but they're sure.

The usual examples are the baptism, the John 17 prayer, the Gethsemane prayer, and the last words on the cross; along with the pre-existent as a person issue.

All of them see Jesus at the literal right hand of the Father.

 

[Ramon]

Knowledge of the Truth is not knowledge of words, it is the knowledge of THE WORD. None of these words and definitions give you any knowledge of THE WORD. No doctrine can teach the knowledge of THE WORD except the doctrine of Jesus Christ.

 

[PneumaPsucheSoma]

Well thats just it Pneuma.

I think many are indoctrinated. Not only to what they believe, But what those apposed to them believe also.

In another thread (once saved always saved" I have had many people say that I, who believe in eternal security. believe and teach this and that. Which is not true. The believe this because they were either brought up in the system they think I follow. Or they were indoctrinated as to what I believe.

The same things is happening here. I have already showed how some of the things you were once taught or believe all trinitarians believe are not what I, or anyone I know believe.

Now if you believed Jesus was a mere righteous man who was a prophet. I would question your salvation.

But you believe Jesus is the son of God, sent by the father, who lived a life free of sin, fulfilled the law by doing this, and paid the just penalty we all deserve. So I do not doubt your salvation.

I may disagree with you on the issue in here. But I do not condemn you for it. nor do I think God will..

I also know where you are coming from.

I came from a legalistic background, and saw many of my good friends turned off by the phariseeism so rampant in the church today. Because they could not live up to the standard, or was not given time to grow and helped. Just judged. For this reason I can get quite passionate against this false gospel of works. And need from time to time to calm down. So I understand your passion!

But you have vehemently argued for Trinity. And exegesis is a thorough process, not just opinion.

And I was lost because of my Trinitarian belief.

The problem is there is so many people who claim a false doctrine (Calvanists are masters of this) who claim if we would exegite right we would see their way. And of course, our exegesis is faulty no matter what we say.

So I do not get into these discussions. I have found them to be fruitless. I would rather agree to disagree on issues like this, then get into a heated debate especially when I see niether of us will change our mind, and it is NOT a salvic issue.

(now a salvic issue is different).

I would not be so fervent if it hadn't been a salvific issue for me. I DO feel it is salvific for many, or I wouldn't be so passionate. You have no idea the Trinis that I've sat down with and have wept in repentance unto salvation because they saw they had never known in who they had believed. Pastors, even.

 

[PneumaPsucheSoma]

Knowledge of the Truth is not knowledge of words, it is the knowledge of THE WORD. None of these words and definitions give you any knowledge of THE WORD. No doctrine can teach the knowledge of THE WORD except the doctrine of Jesus Christ.

More self-righteous rhetoric from another Trinitarian.

I didn't come to this truth by words and definitions; it was by prayer and fasting nigh unto death.