Awake to Righteousness and Don't Sin

[Chris1975]

Adding to my post ^ :

2Cor2 -

12 Now having come to Troas for the gospel of Christ, a door also having been opened to me in the Lord, 13 I had no rest in my spirit, in my not finding Titus my brother. Instead, having taken leave of them, I went out to Macedonia.

14 But thanks be to God, the One always leading us in triumph in Christ, and through us in every place making manifest the fragrance of the knowledge of Him. 15 For we are a sweet perfume of Christ to God in those being saved and in those perishing: 16 to one indeed an odor from death to death, and to the other a fragrance from life to life. And who is sufficient for these things?

17 For we are not like the many, peddling the word of God, but as of sincerity, but as of God, we speak before God in Christ.


2Cor4 -

10 always carrying around the death of Jesus in our body, so that the life of Jesus also should be manifested in our body. 11 For we the living are always being delivered to death on account of Jesus, so that the life of Jesus may also be manifested in our mortal flesh. 12 So then, death works in us, but life in you.

Who are these "being saved" in Red above. Why would he write being saved if it was already accomplished?

 

[Chris1975]

Where does it say that in the Bible conscience came alive? Animals don’t have a conscience they go by instinct man wasn’t created without a conscience to choose right from wrong the inner feeling of knowing that is why God said you can eat any from any except one a conscience thought to dwell on.

God made adam complete with everything as humans today, they became aware like riding a bike for the first time. the more knowledge a person has the more their conscience expands

And you’re right it takes a conscience to know if your going by the flesh or by the word.

Conscience definition: https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/conscience
The Knowledge of Good and Evil by its very nature is the moral conscience. The bible says their eyes were open and they knew they were naked (Guilt). Next we see them hiding from God, trying to cover their nakedness with Fig Leaves. These are all actions that are directly related to the actions they took in the garden after eating the fruit.

What does a guilty man do today? They try hide their guilt. It bothers them and plagues them. They have sleepness nights worrying about what they have done.

 

[Melach]

Scripture based answer:

Hebrews 10
10 By that will we have been [c]sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. 11 And every priest stands ministering daily and offering repeatedly the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. 12 But this Man, after He had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down at the right hand of God, 13 from that time waiting till His enemies are made His footstool. 14 For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being [d]sanctified.

See the last part. Quite profound.

Then lets look at your answer, because its not quite as benevolent as you make it out to be:

Also Hebrews 10
26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries. 28 Anyone who has rejected Moses’ law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know Him who said, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” [g]says the Lord. And again, “The Lord will judge His people.” 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

More that just grieve the Holy Spirit, you may just end up without any FAITH at all.

See this in the same chapter 10....
38 Now the[n] just shall live by faith;
But if anyone draws back,
My soul has no pleasure in him.”

thats written to israel the sin willfully part. those in the covenant but not new covenant yet. and it says in ephesians actually that we are sealed unto day of redemption. it says dont grieve the Holy Spirit.

 

[Melach]

Who are these "being saved" in Red above. Why would he write being saved if it was already accomplished?

salvation is three tenses in bible. we are saved past tense, we are being saved present tense and we will be saved future tense.

 

[JamOn]

Conscience definition: https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/conscience
The Knowledge of Good and Evil by its very nature is the moral conscience. The bible says their eyes were open and they knew they were naked (Guilt). Next we see them hiding from God, trying to cover their nakedness with Fig Leaves. These are all actions that are directly related to the actions they took in the garden after eating the fruit.

What does a guilty man do today? They try hide their guilt. It bothers them and plagues them. They have sleepness nights worrying about what they have done.

Ok sleepy head keep believing your distorted doctrine of conscience

 

[Chris1975]

thats written to israel the sin willfully part. those in the covenant but not new covenant yet. and it says in ephesians actually that we are sealed unto day of redemption. it says dont grieve the Holy Spirit.

That is Paul writing Hebrews, and when he wrote he wrote to the Church. The church is made up of Jew and Gentile. He is writing NOT ANOTHER GOSPEL, but rather THE GOSPEL from Italy to those back in Jerusalem.

Here is Pauls concluding remarks in the Chapter (Timothy is mentioned, and we know Paul died in Italy)

Hebrews 13
23 Know that our brother Timothy has been set free, with whom I shall see you if he comes shortly.
24 Greet all those who [h]rule over you, and all the saints. Those from Italy greet you.
25 Grace be with you all. Amen.

 

[Chris1975]

salvation is three tenses in bible. we are saved past tense, we are being saved present tense and we will be saved future tense.

We agree. And they are 3 tenses FOR A REASON.

 

[mailmandan]

Who are these "being saved" in Red above. Why would he write being saved if it was already accomplished?

There are three tenses to salvation that must not get mixed up.

1. We have been saved from the PENALTY of sin (justification)

2. We are being saved from the POWER of sin (ongoing sanctification)

3. We will be saved from the PRESENCE of sin (glorification)

 

[Chris1975]

There are three tenses to salvation that must not get mixed up.

1. We have been saved from the PENALTY of sin (justification)

2. We are being saved from the POWER of sin (ongoing sanctification)

3. We will be saved from the PRESENCE of sin (glorification)

Once again. We agree on this

 

[Deade]

So Conscience means With Knowledge.

When Adam and Eve fell, Conscience came alive (the Knowledge of Good and Evil) Genesis 3 7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves [b]coverings.

Another said elsewhere: It should stand as a warning to us when trying to judge or know the absolute difference between absolute good and absolute evil for absolutely sure, etc...

That kind of knowledge or knowing belongs to God alone, etc...

Satan convinced them that they could be the judges of good and evil for themselves, and they were wrong, and we are still wrong, etc, especially absolutely, and for absolutely sure, etc...

This says it all. They decided to determine good and evil for themselves. It is the same sin Satan and his cohorts (the third fallen) were guilty of. This is still going on, today. We all need to look to God for our morality.

 

[John146]

Its 100% the opposite of what you are saying (this passage). The scripture says the Gentiles WERE NOT under the Law of Moses.

I meant during the OT times. Of course the law was given to the Jews.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

Who are these "being saved" in Red above. Why would he write being saved if it was already accomplished?

Let me put it in a modern context, so you can see what I am saying (about that ^ ):

You and your Christian buddy are eating at Denny's.

You [two] happen to notice a large gathering of people meeting there to eat, across the way from where you sit.

You decide, after finishing eating your meal, to go over to that set of tables and witness to those people who have met there at Denny's for their office party [LOL!]

After you tell them of Christ and His finished work alone for salvation [ ],

"those who are BEING SAVED" are those [say, 25% of them] who have been persuaded to believe your message about Christ (they trust in Him for their salvation/they come to faith in Christ for their salvation);

"those who are perishing" are the other portion of them [the 75% of them] who were NOT persuaded to believe your message about Christ (they do NOT trust in Him for their salvation).


It's the same way (for this phrase "those BEING SAVED") used in Acts 2:47 (but there, with the "accusative" rather than the "dative" which is the only difference in this "G4982" word we are discussing--so in Acts 2:47 it is "those who [3588] were BEING SAVED [4982; V-PPM/P-AMP]" whereas in 2 Corinthians 2:15 it is "[in] those who [3588] are BEING SAVED [4982; V-PPM/P-DMP]"--but the overall sense is the same, it refers to the ones who have trusted Christ/placed their faith in Him/have come to Christ for salvation, however you wanna say it... but not referring to the other set of ppl who DIDN'T/HAVEN'T/AREN'T [saved/come to faith]... )

For those who have indeed trusted Christ for salvation, they are permanently saved.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

^ EDIT to add: The phrase does not refer to an interim period, for the saved (or what we commonly call "progressive sanctification," in those who have trusted Christ--these two contexts do not refer to that, as I see it).

 

[Blik]

The problem seems to boil down to a question of whether you can accept the Lord within you, able to renew your mind so righteousness is your goal without only being motivated by working for salvation. The flesh is never motivated by love, and God is love. Without the ability to accept love is simply another way of saying you cannot accept love.

Those who preach against works are simply those who are not saved by the Lord, those who cannot accept having a goal of life without sin. That is another way of saying they are people without Christ within.

 

[Dino246]

Those who preach against works are simply those who are not saved by the Lord, those who cannot accept having a goal of life without sin. That is another way of saying they are people without Christ within.

That is a gross misrepresentation of the truth of the gospel. Those who preach against works are those who believe that our salvation is a finished work of Christ, that our part is to believe, and that the "works" to which Christians are called are the fruit and confirmation of salvation, not the means to attain it.

 

[Blik]

That is a gross misrepresentation of the truth of the gospel. Those who preach against works are those who believe that our salvation is a finished work of Christ, that our part is to believe, and that the "works" to which Christians are called are the fruit and confirmation of salvation, not the means to attain it.

You are trying to work for demon s, preaching against accepting Christ within, for with Christ within a human accepts love. You cannot live with a goal of sin and have love or Christ within.

 

[Dino246]

You are trying to work for demon s, preaching against accepting Christ within, for with Christ within a human accepts love. You cannot live with a goal of sin and have love or Christ within.

Wow... and you claim to have Christ within you? Something just doesn't add up.

 

[Deade]

That is a gross misrepresentation of the truth of the gospel. Those who preach against works are those who believe that our salvation is a finished work of Christ, that our part is to believe, and that the "works" to which Christians are called are the fruit and confirmation of salvation, not the means to attain it.

I believe the difference is in what some call works, others call law keeping. Other than specific instructions from the Holy Spirit what have we to define us from the worldly. One group says we should just watch for fruits of the spirit and be charitable, which always pleases God. Nothing else is required.

Meanwhile, others of us still use God's laws as a guide to what is holy. Then the first group tells us we are trying to earn our salvation, and call us legalistic. Which just isn't true, most of the time. Both groups agree that our works should be visible but we just have different definitions as to what they are. My take anyway.

 

[Blik]

Wow... and you claim to have Christ within you? Something just doesn't add up.

I am judging the theology you are presenting, the Lord gives us scripture to use to do that. We are told we are to die to sin, that Christ pays for our sin and through Him we are free from the penalty of our sin, we are free from the death our sins brings to us. Christ then lives in our hearts. Christ is sin free, you cannot have both sin and Christ in your heart. It is the gospel.

Christ allows me to know this, and teaches this. If you accepted Christ you would not be speaking as you do about the work of having a goal of freedom from sin. If you will study the book of Romans you would learn this.

Having Christ within does not take away our knowledge of the gospel or our ability to know of Christ, it takes away our desire to harm other people.

 

[Chris1975]

I am judging the theology you are presenting, the Lord gives us scripture to use to do that. We are told we are to die to sin, that Christ pays for our sin and through Him we are free from the penalty of our sin, we are free from the death our sins brings to us. Christ then lives in our hearts. Christ is sin free, you cannot have both sin and Christ in your heart. It is the gospel.

Christ allows me to know this, and teaches this. If you accepted Christ you would not be speaking as you do about the work of having a goal of freedom from sin. If you will study the book of Romans you would learn this.

Having Christ within does not take away our knowledge of the gospel or our ability to know of Christ, it takes away our desire to harm other people.

Keep preaching it.