So if a non Christian renounces "his faith" in Satan and never turn back to him, do you think he will still be "truly belonging to Satan"?
Do u think works-salvationists are saved? Will you marry one of them?
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So if a non Christian renounces "his faith" in Satan and never turn back to him, do you think he will still be "truly belonging to Satan"?
I am basically trying to show you that your doctrine implies that you regard Christ obedience on the cross as weaker than Adam's disobedience at the Garden of Eden, negating what Paul explained to us in Romans 5:12-19.
Perhaps others will, as I have stated in my very first reply to you, my point is
https://christianchat.com/threads/d...ill-you-marry-one-of-them.189296/post-4114097
Well, if we believe a non Christian cannot merely renounce Satan and be rid of him just like that, how much more (Romans 5:12-19) will a Christian not be able to get rid of Jesus merely by renouncing him.
If someone renounces Jesus and turns away from faith in him because of trials or persecution and never turns back to Christ afterwards, how can that be true faith?
Well, if I try to understand your perspective, as some passages in Matthew, as well as in Hebrews-Revelations showed, perhaps the scenario you painted above would be more relevant during the tribulation.
During then, a believer also need to resist the mark of the beast to be considered saved, in the end. (Matthew 24:13)
That could work as well but I had more in mind about passages like that of the parable of the sower and verses like Matthew 10:32-33.
If they believe in their hearts and confess with their mouth that Jesus is Lord they are saved, works or no works. But I've never fallen in love with one so I can't honestly answer part two. But I'd never marry an LDS! Unless she repented and became a born again Christian that is.
Yeah, in age past, before Jesus died on the cross, there was also no way the Jews could have had permanent justification before God, without works.
In my opinion and or observations I would expect the work salvationist to have a higher level of accountability and discipline than one who is not. what matters most is the faithfulness in the roles of a wife and mother than any religious affiliations or professed spirituality. The main thing for me is our compatibility towards raise one or two kids jointly into successful adults.
lol! Then you were not a "works salvationist" if you were saved. A "works salvationist" believes he will get to heaven by his works. That kind of a person will not get to heaven.
The person who has a true faith in Jesus is not a "works salvationist".
At least that is how I define a "works salvationist"!
lol! Then you were not a "works salvationist" if you were saved. A "works salvationist" believes he will get to heaven by his works. That kind of a person will not get to heaven.
The person who has a true faith in Jesus is not a "works salvationist".
At least that is how I define a "works salvationist"!
Who is going to heaven, and when do they go?
Yeh I see what you are saying.lol! Then you were not a "works salvationist" if you were saved. A "works salvationist" believes he will get to heaven by his works. That kind of a person will not get to heaven.
The person who has a true faith in Jesus is not a "works salvationist".
At least that is how I define a "works salvationist"!
When I look at want I posted and reflected on it I should have clarified it.
Now I have the opportunity to do so.
I have never believed that works saved.
The caveat being that I knew that and tell others that who struggled with that.
Saved by faith.
Yet for me it was not true, but for others yes it was true.
Pitiful painful life to live.
Catholics I know believes they are saved by faith through grace. That good works is the fruit or product of faith.
Eph 2:10, Gal 5 fruit of the HS, Romans 8 walking in the spirit, Hebrews 11 faith and so on.
Eph 2:10, Gal 5 fruit of the HS, Romans 8 walking in the spirit, Hebrews 11 faith and so on.
And they do (Mormons, JW's, etc.).
They are better 'Christians' outwardly than the majority of 'grace' Christians.
Sad but true fact.
And it's for the simple reason that the majority of grace Christians don't think they have to be. Even though they loudly proclaim that real faith has works.
Who is going to heaven, and when do they go?
Ah, now you have really opened up the questions -
Who is going to heaven? All those that God lets in . . .
When do they go? Whenever He decides and says . . .
Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
The commandments of God are the works and will of the Father which completes our faith in Christ because
Joh 6:45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.
Joh 6:46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.
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It would be one thing if one does not believe in the new testament but those that do and believe in works believe that
Jas 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
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but you got many that disagree because it does not conform to the words of their only begotten son of God Paul.
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not realizing that Paul spoke to various audiences in ways to move ones heart in accepting the gospel
1Co 9:20 And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;
1Co 9:21 To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.
1Co 9:22 To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.
1Co 9:23 And this I do for the gospel's sake, that I might be partaker thereof with you.
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what did our true only begotten Son of God say?
Joh 10:37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
Joh 10:38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.
The commandments of God are the works and will of the Father which completes our faith in Christ because
Joh 6:45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.
Joh 6:46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.
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It would be one thing if one does not believe in the new testament but those that do and believe in works believe that
Jas 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
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but you got many that disagree because it does not conform to the words of their only begotten son of God Paul.
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not realizing that Paul spoke to various audiences in ways to move ones heart in accepting the gospel
1Co 9:20 And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;
1Co 9:21 To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.
1Co 9:22 To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.
1Co 9:23 And this I do for the gospel's sake, that I might be partaker thereof with you.
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what did our true only begotten Son of God say?
Joh 10:37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
Joh 10:38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.