Do u think works-salvationists are saved? Will you marry one of them?

[oldethennew]

when I was born into satan's world, home family coven', I accepted most of his ways, even down to a so called 'marriage',
which I now know, not then, was a mockery of God's Holy Marriage to His true Church - I bought into it all'
lock-stock-barrel, even to the point of putting on a WHITE wedding dress, even though I was un-clean,
and claiming a false/faith/marriage in a church that I just picked-out of the phone book...
did I 'believe' all of the lies that I had created for myself??? what do you think???
and yes, I paid an exceptionally price, for I had married satan's right-hand-man', and lived almost
(10) years under his power over me...,,,

 

[Judges1318]

What to do with works-salvationists?

Are we supposed to do something with them?

Are they saved?

If they come right out and say they believe that salvation is earned on the merit of doing good works, then, no, they are not saved. It's impossible to do the works that would be required to earn your salvation.

Is it just that they believed a false teaching or never saved at all?

Only they can answer that.

 

[Judges1318]

when I was born into satan's world, home family coven', I accepted most of his ways, even down to a so called 'marriage',
which I now know, not then, was a mockery of God's Holy Marriage to His true Church - I bought into it all'
lock-stock-barrel, even to the point of putting on a WHITE wedding dress, even though I was un-clean,
and claiming a false/faith/marriage in a church that I just picked-out of the phone book...
did I 'believe' all of the lies that I had created for myself??? what do you think???
and yes, I paid an exceptionally price, for I had married satan's right-hand-man', and lived almost
(10) years under his power over me...,,,

Help me out here.
I'm missing where this is relevant to the matter of the person who thinks salvation is by works.

 

[Lightskin]

I would rather marry a Buddhist or a gay activist.

This ^^^^ 😎

 

[Lightskin]

I agree, we're told that Salvation without works is dead. So to answer your question, while only God knows the heart, yes, I'd say they are saved when they put their full faith and trust in Christ.

Works salvationists don’t put their full faith and trust in Christ, that’s the problem.

 

[Whispered]

Works salvationists don’t put their full faith and trust in Christ, that’s the problem.

I can't make that judgment regarding all of them. However, perhaps the works Salvationists are led to that end by pastors who read to them the saint Apostle Paul's epistles. And in hearing these the works based faithful think those epistles do say works are necessary to secure Salvation.
https://bibleexposition.blog/2019/12/18/antinomianism/

Ephesians 2:10 (NET) For we are his workmanship, having been created in Christ Jesus for good works that God prepared beforehand so we may do them.
Romans 2:7 (NET) [v.6 “God, who will render”] eternal life to those who by perseverance in good works seek glory and honor and immortality,
Titus 2:7 (NET) showing yourself to be an example of good works in every way. In your teaching show integrity, dignity,
Titus 3:8 (NET) This saying is trustworthy, and I want you to insist on such truths, so that those who have placed their faith in God may be intent on engaging in good works. These things are good and beneficial for all people.​

 

[Guojing]

What to do with works-salvationists? Are they saved?Is it just that they believed a false teaching or never saved at all?

I can imagine two types of Jews on the Passover night in Egypt.

Some put their trust in the lamb blood, and just relax and enjoy the night, confident that it is sufficient.

Other Jews are more paranoid and try to help the blood with their works, praying fasting singing non stop to God.

In the end both houses first born are still saved because the blood at their doorpost is sufficient.

That is how I view this never ending argument about faith alone or faith and works for salvation. 🤗

 

[Lightskin]

I can't make that judgment regarding all of them. However, perhaps the works Salvationists are led to that end by pastors who read to them the saint Apostle Paul's epistles. And in hearing these the works based faithful think those epistles do say works are necessary to secure Salvation.
https://bibleexposition.blog/2019/12/18/antinomianism/

Ephesians 2:10 (NET) For we are his workmanship, having been created in Christ Jesus for good works that God prepared beforehand so we may do them.​

Romans 2:7 (NET) [v.6 “God, who will render”] eternal life to those who by perseverance in good works seek glory and honor and immortality,​

Titus 2:7 (NET) showing yourself to be an example of good works in every way. In your teaching show integrity, dignity,​

Titus 3:8 (NET) This saying is trustworthy, and I want you to insist on such truths, so that those who have placed their faith in God may be intent on engaging in good works. These things are good and beneficial for all people.​

Take time to ponder the sheer, absolute, unequivocal, cosmic, deafening magnitude of John 3:16, then get back to me regarding any “necessity” on our part, as if God’s love isn’t good enough to maintain our salvation once we place our faith in Jesus Christ.

 

[JaumeJ]

I know that genuine faith will result in good works..that is what James says..good works is the fruit of Salvation, not the root..To my knowledge, Salvation is a free Gift of God to those who trust in Jesus Alone to get to heaven..

Why then are you boxing air with others who are content with their salvation and KNOW to obey God's will doing His will and good works? Drop it, it can only upset you in the soul.

 

[mailmandan]

Works salvationists don’t put their full faith and trust in Christ, that’s the problem.

Amen! It's not 50% Christ and 50% works that save us but 100% Christ and either we are trusting 100% in Jesus Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation or else we are 100% lost.

 

[notuptome]

Amen! It's not 50% Christ and 50% works that save us but 100% Christ and either we are trusting 100% in Jesus Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation or else we are 100% lost.

Scripture says that even 1% works negates the 99% in the matter of salvation. Grace and grace alone is the means by which we are saved.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[stillness]

What to do with works-salvationists? Are they saved?Is it just that they believed a false teaching or never saved at all?

Of course those who Work for God are being saved. The labourers in the vineyard are His friends. Don't you know that the languages are confused in Babylon so that there can be no unity without the Holy Spirit leading us in the Truth. "They parted My garments among them and cast lots for My Vesture." Even among those who cause division there is still a manifestation of the Holy Spirit as the Spirit Wills. The Azusa street revival ended because men wantwd to be in charge of their denominations again. At this time the move of the Holy Spirit is prevailing in Charismatic Catholic communities, likely because there is not the trouble of desiring to be in charge and judging one another.
The light had gone out in the Catholic church because of dictatorship, "The doctrine of the Nicolaitanes." But with God the sins of the Fathers, is no t past on to the children. Now the protestants are left with the trouble of judgment on things that are forgiven. The Lord gave me a Catholic wife. To face this, I asked Him if He is sending me to the Catholic church. He said: I'M sending you to all churches.
But have noticed that It's easier for them to receive. If we think we are right we stay where we are. "Knowlege pufs up but Love buids up, and If any man thinks He knows, he does not know as He should, but if any man Loves God, the same is known of Him."

 

[Adstar]

My wife married me.
I'm no longer a works salvationist.
By your quote I was not saved, even though I had faith in Jesus

Having Faith in Jesus is trusting 100% in what Jesus did to save you,,, If a person is preaching that we need to do works to be saved then they are not trusting in the Atonement of Jesus to save them 100%..

For a lot of these works believers it is what Jesus did 50% + what i do 50%..

 

[stillness]

Having Faith in Jesus is trusting 100% in what Jesus did to save you,,, If a person is preaching that we need to do works to be saved then they are not trusting in the Atonement of Jesus to save them 100%..

For a lot of these works believers it is what Jesus did 50% + what i do 50%..

I wonder if this judgment that protestants have against Catholics, fals back on them, since we are judged with the judgment we judge with. Who are we to judge. Neither is this what they believe but what protestants say they believe. We will all give acount of ourselves to God: wether our work is in His Love determines surviving the fire. If the work is about affections in this life "It will burn but their soul will be saved through the fire."
Some protestants that teach not by works, dont think they need to walk in Love, if they don't their work will burn. What that means they will not be in the first Resurrection.

 

[Guojing]

I wonder if this judgment that protestants have against Catholics, fals back on them, since we are judged with the judgment we judge with. Who are we to judge. Neither is this what they believe but what protestants say they believe. We will all give acount of ourselves to God: wether our work is in His Love determines surviving the fire. If the work is about affections in this life "It will burn but their soul will be saved through the fire."
Some protestants that teach not by works, dont think they need to walk in Love, if they don't their work will burn. What that means they will not be in the first Resurrection.

No worries, many of them here will also say that there must be works after you are saved, otherwise your faith is dead.

 

[CherieR]

What to do with works-salvationists? Are they saved?Is it just that they believed a false teaching or never saved at all?

In Christianity one may believe on Jesus and yet be insecure in their relationship with him. It doesn't mean he/she is not saved.

I believe that someone who has believed on Jesus, believed in Jesus's divinity and death on cross and resurrection, confessed Jesus is Lord, asked him to save them and loves Jesus is saved. When people renounce Jesus and never turn back to him, that is not showing love for God. When people are willing to suffer and die for Jesus this is true faith and love for the Savior. And though Peter denied Christ but he also deeply regretted it and after Jesus resurrection, was bold in preaching about Jesus in spite of persecution.

 

[Guojing]

In Christianity one may believe on Jesus and yet be insecure in their relationship with him. It doesn't mean he/she is not saved.

I believe that someone who has believed on Jesus, believed in Jesus's divinity and death on cross and resurrection, confessed Jesus is Lord, asked him to save them and loves Jesus is saved. When people renounce Jesus and never turn back to him, that is not showing love for God. When people are willing to suffer and die for Jesus this is true faith and love for the Savior. And though Peter denied Christ but he also deeply regretted it and after Jesus resurrection, was bold in preaching about Jesus in spite of persecution.

Well, if we believe a non Christian cannot merely renounce Satan and be rid of him just like that, how much more (Romans 5:12-19) will a Christian not be able to get rid of Jesus merely by renouncing him.

 

[Locoponydirtman]

No I would not marry one who believed in works salvation, it's idolatry and self justifying, and basically self worship. Those types are like crabs. If you put two crabs in a container and one tries to escape the other will pull it back in. A person that believes in self salvation will hammer you to death with their rules and laws. I think that the only thing worse would be to marry a sociopath. A few years in that fox hole will turn you into a whipped dog on a chain; both fearful and mean.

 

[Adstar]

I wonder if this judgment that protestants have against Catholics, fals back on them, since we are judged with the judgment we judge with. Who are we to judge. Neither is this what they believe but what protestants say they believe. We will all give acount of ourselves to God: wether our work is in His Love determines surviving the fire. If the work is about affections in this life "It will burn but their soul will be saved through the fire."
Some protestants that teach not by works, dont think they need to walk in Love, if they don't their work will burn. What that means they will not be in the first Resurrection.

Well Jesus said we should not judge.. That being carrying out judgements.. And a lot of people mistake opposition to the catholic religion as being opposition to catholic people.. Yeah some people have been indoctrinated to hate catholic people and i hope the Holy Spirit convicts them that they are Not on the right path..

The second type of judgement is about deciding if something is right or wrong, and doing so by the guidance of the Word of God on the matter and the leading of the Holy Spirit.. Like a way of life or a doctrine..

If we take the path of ""who are we to judge"" to it's conclusion then we will have to embrace all kinds of doctrine of devils and join the gay pride parades as willing and enthusiastic participants .. And don't you dare ever judge pedophies for their deviancy either because ""who are we to judge"" and when our local criminally insane psycopath starts murdering children for the enjoyment of doing so.. Well we better join in the cheer squad and affirm their mental condition is natural because obviously they where born that way and that makes it natural and ok..

As for catholic beliefs.. I grew up a Roman catholic so i know their works salvation doctrines.. Their ""holy days of OBLIGATION"" religious works they must attend,, sacraments they must receive.. I know about their doctrine of purgatory which is where they go after death to purge themselves of their sins because as all catholics know the loving self sacrifice of Jesus on the cross does not pay for our sins. Nope people have to go to a place called purgatory to suffer to pay for our own sins.. Unless that is if you are a catholic Saint and have lived a perfect sinless life then you can go right to heaven.. ( yeah sinlessness in this flesh is also another catholic doctrine)

But yeah ""who are we to judge"" lets all get ecumenical and affirm that the catholic religion is right with Christ and lets post posts to try and oppose and undermine people who have the audacity to actually believe the promises of Christ and try to give warning to babes in Christ to avoid the pit which is the catholic church..

Lets try and shame them as being mean judgemental people and tell them ""who are we to judge"" while posting a post Judging them as being a mean and judgemental person... Ironic hey?

So you can go on and keep assuring the roman catholics that purgatory is a real place where they can go and pay for their own sins and you can avoid hurting any feelings by tell the homosexual and pedophiles that their sexual degeneracy is good and to be affirmed and celebrated..

You can love these people to death.. Right into second Death in the eternal lake of fire..

By hey as long as you never hurt their feelings in this world by sharing difficult truths with them you can pat yourself on the back because your such a wonderful care bear person..

You know as a former roman catholic i am glad God kept me away from people like you stillness.. Maybe i would never have left the roman catholic church and renounced it.. Maybe you would have convinced me to keep on believing in the doctrines and Authority of the roman catholic church.. Maybe i would have ended up believing that there are many paths to God and the catholic church was one of them.. Maybe i would still be destined to the eternal lake of fire because i met a care bear guy like you..

 

[CherieR]

Well, if we believe a non Christian cannot merely renounce Satan and be rid of him just like that, how much more (Romans 5:12-19) will a Christian not be able to get rid of Jesus merely by renouncing him.

Peter denied Jesus three times but Jesus had prayed for Peter beforehand. And later after Jesus resurrection Peter was bold in preaching about Jesus. I would think Jesus prays for his people also when they go through very troubling times or tests of faith.
If someone renounces their faith in Christ and never turns back( Peter later turned back and acknowledged Christ), to me this would likely indicate that that person did not truly belong to Christ and also lacked love for Jesus.