Paul Son of God!!?

[JohnR7]

There is neither male nor female in Christ Jesus, and women DID, Biblically, have a legal right to inherit.

What verse are you talking about in the Old Testament? Animals are male and female. Adam and Eve was a man and a women.

28There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed and heirs according to the promise.

This passage shows exactly what we were talking about. In Christ both male and female is entitled to the inheritance of Abraham. If they are the descendant of Sarah the free women or Hagar the Slave women. They both share in the inheritance. As gentiles Paul tells us that we are adopted into the family. I study Kabbalah under Hasidic Rabbi so I have some rights because of that.

 

[iymus]

According to Pauline Pharisees, Salvation is not of works but according to the only true Son of God and volume of the book Salvation is of the will "which encompasses the works of The Father". So how can Salvation not be of works? "if make any other related discoveries will post"

 

[BillG]

Peter already mentioned of words in the epistle of Paul that are hard to be understood that people wrestle with unto destruction.

Where did Peter say that?
Where did he say that what Paul said would lead people to destruction?

 

[Magenta]

What verse are you talking about in the Old Testament? Animals are male and female. Adam and Eve was a man and a women.

28There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed and heirs according to the promise.

This passage shows exactly what we were talking about. In Christ both male and female is entitled to the inheritance of Abraham. If they are the descendant of Sarah the free women or Hagar the Slave women. They both share in the inheritance. As gentiles Paul tells us that we are adopted into the family. I study Kabbalah under Hasidic Rabbi so I have some rights because of that.

There is neither Jew nor Greek, male nor female, in Christ Jesus. You seem to agree but then do not

Joshua 17:3 However, Zelophehad, the son of Hepher, the son of Gilead, the son of Machir, the son of Manasseh, had no sons, only daughters; and these are the names of his daughters: Mahlah and Noah, Hoglah, Milcah and Tirzah. 4 They came near before Eleazar the priest and before Joshua the son of Nun and before the leaders, saying, “The LORD commanded Moses to give us an inheritance among our brothers.” So according to the command of the LORD he gave them an inheritance among their father’s brothers. 5 Thus there fell ten portions to Manasseh, besides the land of Gilead and Bashan, which is beyond the Jordan, 6 because the daughters of Manasseh received an inheritance among his sons. And the land of Gilead belonged to the rest of the sons of Manasseh.

Also Numbers 36:2 They said, "When the LORD commanded my LORD to give the land as an inheritance to the Israelites by lot, he ordered you to give the inheritance of our brother Zelophehad to his daughters.

^ ^ Those are the OT verses you asked for

 

[iymus]

Where did Peter say that?
Where did he say that what Paul said would lead people to destruction?

I posted those scriptures numerous times, though perhaps not here.

2Pe 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
2Pe 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

 

[Magenta]

What verse are you talking about in the Old Testament?

Joshua 17:3 However, Zelophehad, the son of Hepher, the son of Gilead, the son of Machir, the son of Manasseh, had no sons, only daughters; and these are the names of his daughters: Mahlah and Noah, Hoglah, Milcah and Tirzah. 4 They came near before Eleazar the priest and before Joshua the son of Nun and before the leaders, saying, “The LORD commanded Moses to give us an inheritance among our brothers.” So according to the command of the LORD he gave them an inheritance among their father’s brothers. 5 Thus there fell ten portions to Manasseh, besides the land of Gilead and Bashan, which is beyond the Jordan, 6 because the daughters of Manasseh received an inheritance among his sons. And the land of Gilead belonged to the rest of the sons of Manasseh.

Also Numbers 36:2 They said, "When the LORD commanded my LORD to give the land as an inheritance to the Israelites by lot, he ordered you to give the inheritance of our brother Zelophehad to his daughters."

^ ^ Those are the OT verses you asked for

Even in Job, the oldest book of the Bible, women inherited

Job 42:15
And in all the land were no women found so fair as the daughters of Job:
and their father gave them inheritance among their brothers.

 

[JohnR7]

Those are the OT verses you asked for

Yes and the whole book of Ruth talks about this. Even Ruth was foreign and not "Jewish" - Boez was still able to be a kinsman redeemer. The first kinsman backed out because he did not want to take a chance on losing his inheritance. Boez had nothing to lose. Ruth did not directly receive the inheritance. The inheritance was for her children and she needed a kinsman redeemer to secure the inheritance.

Sounds like a sweet deal to me to marry a women that is able to provide an inheritance for the children. This means they would have land so they could provide for their family. I have a friend who came to American for one reason. He wanted to make enough money to go back to his country and buy some land for farming. He was basically a share cropper and had to give a portion of the food he grew to the people that owned the land.

 

[JohnR7]

Where did he say that what Paul said would lead people to destruction?

You just broke the irony meter.

 

[BillG]

I posted those scriptures numerous times, though perhaps not here.

2Pe 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
2Pe 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

That doesn't answer my question.
You intimated that Paul's words would lead people to destruction.

Peter did not say that.

2 Peter 3:15-16
15 and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation—as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you, 16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.

We know from Pauls teaching that he taught the opposite.

Yet we know that Peter who obviously agreed with what Paul was saying that those who heard the message of Paul were unstable, unlearned.

He never said that Paul was leading people to destruction.

 

[BillG]

You just broke the irony meter.

Please explain.

 

[JohnR7]

Please explain.

You said: "Where did he say that what Paul said would lead people to destruction?" It was the twisting of Paul's words that lead to destruction not: "what Paul said". Your statement has in effect twisted Paul's words where is is suggested that somehow Paul was to blame for their destruction. I actually had a conversation with Paul about this exact thing. He asked me directly point blank: Why am I not living my life free from sin? It was rhetorical question. He did not stick around for me to try to give him an answer. What Paul wrote to us today he wrote thousands of years ago. Of course in Heaven people always to the will of God. That is just their attitude there. They do not struggle with doing what is right in Heaven the way we struggle with it here on Earth. That is why Jesus teaches us to pray: "Thy Kingdom come - Thy will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven" (Matthew 6:10)

 

[BillG]

You said: "Where did he say that what Paul said would lead people to destruction?" It was the twisting of Paul's words that lead to destruction not: "what Paul said". Your statement has in effect twisted Paul's words where is is suggested that somehow Paul was to blame for their destruction. I actually had a conversation with Paul about this exact thing. He asked me directly point blank: Why am I not living my life free from sin? It was rhetorical question. He did not stick around for me to try to give him an answer. What Paul wrote to us today he wrote thousands of years ago. Of course in Heaven people always to the will of God. That is just their attitude there. They do not struggle with doing what is right in Heaven the way we struggle with it here on Earth. That is why Jesus teaches us to pray: "Thy Kingdom come - Thy will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven" (Matthew 6:10)

You obviously did not read what I posted.

I twisted nothing.
But you have.
I never said that Paul was to blame for their destruction.
I was responding to the post that someone blamed him for that based on the quote from 2 Peter.

Oh well.
The irony and delusion.

 

[Adstar]

As far as God is concerned, all of His children have been born of God or born of the Spirit. Therefore they are called "children of God". So how does adoption apply to real children? Adoption means giving His children all the rights and privileges of being heirs of God and joint-heirs with Christ, as well as perfection and glorification.

Agreed..

 

[TheLearner]

I got nothing

 

[JohnR7]

You obviously did not read what I posted.

I twisted nothing.
But you have.
I never said that Paul was to blame for their destruction.
I was responding to the post that someone blamed him for that based on the quote from 2 Peter.

Oh well.
The irony and delusion.

Your reading comprehension leaves a lot to be desired.

 

[EleventhHour]

I study Kabbalah under Hasidic Rabbi so I have some rights because of that.

You study Kabbalah?

 

[Deuteronomy]

Where did Peter say that?
Where did he say that what Paul said would lead people to destruction?

Hi Bill, actually, Peter said that certain people's ~misunderstandings/distortions~ of what Paul wrote is what would lead them to destruction, just like their distortion of the rest of the Scriptures would do.

2 Peter 3​

15 Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote to you with the wisdom that God gave him.
16 He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction.​

What is most important about this passage, IMHO, is that 1. we know that the Apostles knew what was and what was not Holy Scripture in the 1st Century, and 2. Peter tells us plainly that Paul's Epistles are FAR more than his personal musings about God, rather, that they are God-breathed Holy Scripture (and are therefore binding upon our hearts and minds like the rest of the Bible is).

~Deut

 

[JohnR7]

You study Kabbalah?

I mostly study the Hebrew alphabet. You would think we would learn this stuff in kindergarten. They say that we can not begin to understand Kabbalah until we have studied religion for 40 years. The Rabbi's that teach this stuff have a beard that they do not trim. They call themselves Hasidic.

 

[Nehemiah6]

I study Kabbalah under Hasidic Rabbi so I have some rights because of that.

John, you are free to study anything you wish. but even the ancient rabbis warned Jews to avoid the occultic Kabbalah. It is a very dangerous path for anyone, and I can provide you with references from rabbinic sources to confirm that.

As to rights (not sure what you mean), free speech is still a right in North America, not so much in Western Europe, and definitely not in Russia, China, etc. But there is a huge movement to shut down free speech in North America, particularly within the social media, when the free speech comes from Christians or conservatives. On the other hand the Leftists are free to spout any nonsense they wish, and it is all taken as gospel truth.

 

[Guojing]

Hi Bill, actually, Peter said that certain people's ~misunderstandings/distortions~ of what Paul wrote is what would lead them to destruction, just like their distortion of the rest of the Scriptures would do.

2 Peter 3​

15 Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote to you with the wisdom that God gave him. ​

16 He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction.​

What is most important about this passage, IMHO, is that 1. we know that the Apostles knew what was and what was not Holy Scripture in the 1st Century, and 2. Peter tells us plainly that Paul's Epistles are FAR more than his personal musings about God, rather, that they are God-breathed Holy Scripture (and are therefore binding upon our hearts and minds like the rest of the Bible is).

~Deut

Contrasting what he believed in at the beginning of Acts, to what he believed at the end of his life when he wrote 1 and 2 Peter, is very educational, in terms of character development.

In Acts 3, he was firmly believing that Jesus would be coming back soon, and that the Jews will all welcome to their King back to sit on David's throne.

By 1 and 2 Peter, he realized that the Lord is long suffering, and that Jewish nation has truly rejected their King.