Paul Son of God!!?
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You are not getting to the root of the problem, and until you do it is just spinning the wheels as has been done for hundreds of years. It seems to me that man can think this through.
We sputter over works, and that is over the role of Christ. So we say the Jews reject
Christ so we reject the Jews. Now, is Paul speaking for the Jews who reject Christ or for the gentiles who accept Christ? Scripture tells us to go to God for the answer to that. God said that He sent Christ to the Jews. So why are we looking to the Jews for answers, shouldn't we be looking to God for that? If we look to God for answers, then it makes absolutely no difference what the Jews think but it makes a difference what is the truth of the matter. Paul taught Christ.
Did Paul teach as a Jew or as a reporter of the truth of the Lord so his words are true for both Jew and gentile? Paul taught as a Jewish rabbi who remained a Jewish rabbi and if that is true then his teaching is completely separate from the jew/gentile thinking. Did God want His communication for the thousands of years of the OT to be for the Jews or for mankind? Scripture tells us that God makes no difference among humans except to know who accepts His creation and who rejects it for a fleshly existence. Man has made a problem of His relationship with Jews and gentiles, it is not of truth. A fact that backs this perception of God is the teaching in scripture to the Jews to accept anyone not of their race and never use race as a reason to discriminate. Search that idea for yourselves by using your concordance to look up the word "stranger".
We sputter over works, and that is over the role of Christ. So we say the Jews reject
Christ so we reject the Jews. Now, is Paul speaking for the Jews who reject Christ or for the gentiles who accept Christ? Scripture tells us to go to God for the answer to that. God said that He sent Christ to the Jews. So why are we looking to the Jews for answers, shouldn't we be looking to God for that? If we look to God for answers, then it makes absolutely no difference what the Jews think but it makes a difference what is the truth of the matter. Paul taught Christ.
Did Paul teach as a Jew or as a reporter of the truth of the Lord so his words are true for both Jew and gentile? Paul taught as a Jewish rabbi who remained a Jewish rabbi and if that is true then his teaching is completely separate from the jew/gentile thinking. Did God want His communication for the thousands of years of the OT to be for the Jews or for mankind? Scripture tells us that God makes no difference among humans except to know who accepts His creation and who rejects it for a fleshly existence. Man has made a problem of His relationship with Jews and gentiles, it is not of truth. A fact that backs this perception of God is the teaching in scripture to the Jews to accept anyone not of their race and never use race as a reason to discriminate. Search that idea for yourselves by using your concordance to look up the word "stranger".
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Perhaps it would be better then, to link to a Scripture page and not another forum. Example:
1 Corinthians 11:1
1 Corinthians 14:37
1 Corinthians 11:1
1 Corinthians 14:37
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I have observed those too, who will accept only red letter texts as being "Truth" while the same person will denigrate the rest of what the very same writer has to say. To them I would ask, why accept anything they say as being reliably inspired? It seems contradictory to believe someone they find unreliable would reliably record what Jesus said. Perhaps they do not see the lack of logic in their position
but what book of bible Jesus wrote? 0. because what those red letters are in our bible is actually Jesus' words as recorded by matthew, mark luke and john. so because Jesus didnt write anything down you cant even trust the red letters if they put their own logic to use.
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Oh goodness....
Your avatar is from Princess Mononoke which has many false idols and even portrays some false "gods"...
If a true legalist or sinless perfectionist saw you now they would call you an idolater....
I am not one but have been delivered from that sort of nonsense.
Trigger words like carnal don't help you prove a point... strawmen and word games don't either.
If your goal was to share truth in love you would be more direct and genuine.
Most people here have danced this dance hundreds of times with false gospel pushers (some with better form), this is nothing new.
I pray you see exactly what God wants you to see.... you are above no one, you have fallen short...
Christ not only died for your sins (all of them will be paid for by what He did on the cross)
But also offered you His righteousness by grace through faith....
Your walk can not justify you before God. Christs can.
What justifies us and what we ought to do as saved born again children of God are two separate issues.
Your avatar is from Princess Mononoke which has many false idols and even portrays some false "gods"...
If a true legalist or sinless perfectionist saw you now they would call you an idolater....
I am not one but have been delivered from that sort of nonsense.
Trigger words like carnal don't help you prove a point... strawmen and word games don't either.
If your goal was to share truth in love you would be more direct and genuine.
Most people here have danced this dance hundreds of times with false gospel pushers (some with better form), this is nothing new.
I pray you see exactly what God wants you to see.... you are above no one, you have fallen short...
Christ not only died for your sins (all of them will be paid for by what He did on the cross)
But also offered you His righteousness by grace through faith....
Your walk can not justify you before God. Christs can.
What justifies us and what we ought to do as saved born again children of God are two separate issues.
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A book written by a collection of persons, all of whom are believed to be distorting the facts and misrepresenting truth, except when any of those writers claim to be quoting one specific person. Suddenly that writer is reliable? No, I don't see any logic in that at all We have had members here who did that. It is interesting to watch people like that in action, and defending it to the hilt. Gosh. What can one say? They dig in their heels when confronted.
Jesus wrote on the ground but it is not recorded what He wrote
We have had members here who did that. It is interesting to watch people like that in action, and defending it to the hilt. Gosh. What can one say? They dig in their heels when confronted. Jesus wrote on the ground but it is not recorded what He wrote
A book written by a collection of persons, all of whom are believed to be distorting the facts and misrepresenting truth, except when any of those writers claim to be quoting one specific person. Suddenly that writer is reliable? No, I don't see any logic in that at all We have had members here who did that. It is interesting to watch people like that in action, and defending it to the hilt. Gosh. What can one say? They dig in their heels when confronted.
Jesus wrote on the ground but it is not recorded what He wrote
We have had members here who did that. It is interesting to watch people like that in action, and defending it to the hilt. Gosh. What can one say? They dig in their heels when confronted. Jesus wrote on the ground but it is not recorded what He wrote
As long as you do not capitalize "son".
BTW "adoption* in Scripture is not the same as what is generally regarded as adoption -- parents not related by blood adopting children from another family.
As far as God is concerned, all of His children have been born of God or born of the Spirit. Therefore they are called "children of God". So how does adoption apply to real children? Adoption means giving His children all the rights and privileges of being heirs of God and joint-heirs with Christ, as well as perfection and glorification.
Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 5206: υἱοθεσία (huiothesia)
b. the nature and condition of the true disciples of Christ, who by receiving the Spirit of God into their souls become the sons of God (see υἱός τοῦ Θεοῦ, 4): Romans 8:15; Galatians 4:5;Ephesians 1:5; it also includes the blessed state looked for in the future life after the visible return of Christ from heaven; hence, ἀπεκδέχεσθαι υἱοθεσίαν, to wait for adoption, i. e. the consummate condition of the sons of God, which will render it evident that they are the sons of God, Romans 8:23, cf. Romans 8:19.
BTW "adoption* in Scripture is not the same as what is generally regarded as adoption -- parents not related by blood adopting children from another family.
As far as God is concerned, all of His children have been born of God or born of the Spirit. Therefore they are called "children of God". So how does adoption apply to real children? Adoption means giving His children all the rights and privileges of being heirs of God and joint-heirs with Christ, as well as perfection and glorification.
Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 5206: υἱοθεσία (huiothesia)
b. the nature and condition of the true disciples of Christ, who by receiving the Spirit of God into their souls become the sons of God (see υἱός τοῦ Θεοῦ, 4): Romans 8:15; Galatians 4:5;Ephesians 1:5; it also includes the blessed state looked for in the future life after the visible return of Christ from heaven; hence, ἀπεκδέχεσθαι υἱοθεσίαν, to wait for adoption, i. e. the consummate condition of the sons of God, which will render it evident that they are the sons of God, Romans 8:23, cf. Romans 8:19.
I admit as a woman that I am a son of God
The Hebrew letters are symbols. So all we have to do is learn the alphabet and we will understand the whole gospel message. A represents the head of an OX for strength and leadership. B represents a tent or dwelling, C represents a Camel, D represents a door and how has control over what enters into the tent. Jesus is not the Head or owner of the Tent, He is the Son yet He has been given authority. He is the door and He determines who enters in and who is not allow to enter in. At passover they celebrate the blood on the door so the death angel would pass over the house and not enter into destroy the Firstborn Son.