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Where were Satan and one third of the angels when they rebelled against God?
They were in Heaven and they were thrown out of Heaven. We are told that he had an issue with pride. "I will be like the most High." (Isaiah 14:14)

"Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. 8 But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. 9 The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him".

— Revelation 12:7–10 (NIV)
 

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I use to get the kittens in the trap in less then 10 minutes. I put a mouse on the end of the fishing rod. They could not resist coming out of their hiding place to chase that mouse. They chased it right into the trap. I tried getting a movie of that on the phone camera, but it never came out very good.
How did you get the mouse to say ok?
 

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Where were Satan and one third of the angels when they rebelled against God?

Jesus said He saw Satan fall from heaven... (Luke 10:18)
Some believe that the 3 heavens are parts or sections of the same but from what I have received they are "ages". Just as we will go from this flesh age, which ends when Jesus returns, there was an age before this one, right here on earth.
 

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Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. 8 But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. 9 The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him".
That is what is coming, not what has been. That is why we are told before Christ returns it will be as it was in the days of Noah, fallen angels on earth again. They wont be "left their habituation" by their own choice this time, as they will be kicked out at the end of the war. That is why there will be silence in heaven, Satan no longer accusing day and night and all (probably more reasons than that alone, maybe like they are watching what's going on on earth, but that is just speculation on my part)
 
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How did you get the mouse to say ok?
It was a fake mouse on the end of the string on the end of my fishing line. I tried other fake things but it was the only the mouse that interested them. We use to have mice, moles, chipmunks, rabbits then the cats came along and ate them.
 
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That is what is coming, not what has been.
I have been told that people do not agree on what those scriptures mean. For example Ezekiel 28:12, some people believe this refers to Satan and other people are not as sure that it does. ""Son of man, take up a lament concerning the king of Tyre and say to him: 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: "'You were the seal of perfection, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty." When we read: "14You were anointed as a guardian cherub" then this is pretty clear we are talking about an angel.
 
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Where were Satan and one third of the angels when they rebelled against God?
We are told they were in Heaven, in the temple of God. We are told Satan was the music director for the praise and worship. Only he fell into pride and he wanted people to worship him instead of God. In the same way God gives us gifts, talents and abilities that we can use to honor Him or we can use them to bring praise and honor to our-self. This is a test to see if we honor God or not.

Life is based on contrast or comparison. If we are to love God then we have to know what it means NOT to love God which means we worshop and adore ourselves instead of the God who created us.
 

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I have been told that people do not agree on what those scriptures mean. For example Ezekiel 28:12, some people believe this refers to Satan and other people are not as sure that it does. ""Son of man, take up a lament concerning the king of Tyre and say to him: 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: "'You were the seal of perfection, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty." When we read: "14You were anointed as a guardian cherub" then this is pretty clear we are talking about an angel.
God has one enemy. God is the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Satan, the devil, the dragon. They both have many more names referring to their "actions". Satan was the king in heaven, the serpent in the garden, now the prince of the power of the air, amongst the many other titles he holds.
 

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Well you know as well as I do that’s deep and some might not consider things like that, nonetheless rather young or old there’s one thing that stands out in scripture as far as the creation of man. that is at some movement in the past man became a living soul thus set apart from anything else created.
Genesis uses exactly the same words in 1:20, 1:21, 1:24, 1:28 & 2:19 as in 2:7

translators have simply taken the liberty of rendering 'nephesh' as creature when it doesn't refer to a man, and 'soul' when it does.

Genesis literally calls birds, fish, and all that moves on the earth "living souls" -- English translations don't.

I said in my heart,
“Concerning the condition of the sons of men, God tests them,
that they may see that they themselves are animals.”
(Ecclesiastes 3:18)
 

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We are told they were in Heaven, in the temple of God. We are told Satan was the music director for the praise and worship. Only he fell into pride and he wanted people to worship him instead of God. In the same way God gives us gifts, talents and abilities that we can use to honor Him or we can use them to bring praise and honor to our-self. This is a test to see if we honor God or not.

Life is based on contrast or comparison. If we are to love God then we have to know what it means NOT to love God which means we worshop and adore ourselves instead of the God who created us.


Ezekiel 28:12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.

Ezekiel 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.

Ezekiel 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.


Ezekiel 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

Ezekiel 28:16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.

Ezekiel 28:17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

Ezekiel 28:18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.

Ezekiel 28:19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.


Only one has been sentenced to die by name, the son of perdition.
 

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The real difference is the breath of life in Genesis 2:7 "Then the LORD God formed man from the dust of the ground and breathed the breath of life into his nostrils, and the man became a living being". God planted a garden in Eden so Adam and Eve had their own biodiverse eco system. They were food producers. Before them man was a hunter gather.
you believe Adam was killing and eating animals??

where is that in the Bible?

when God saw all He had made and called it '
very good' you think He was looking at a biosystem revolving around and sustained by death?


are you saying 'the breath of life' is just God converting people to vegetarianism?
 

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God has one enemy. God is the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.AND SHOULD READ WHO CREATED Satan, the devil, the dragon. They both have many more names referring to their "actions". Satan was the king in heaven, the serpent in the garden, now the prince of the power of the air, amongst the many other titles he holds.
AMMENDED

I am not saying that God is Satan. GOD CREATED SATAN. WHICH CAN CLEARLY BEEN SEEN BY THE They both have many more names
 

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I like animals too, but I don't think they can be enabled by the Holy Spirit's power to break engrained bad habits (addictions, if you will) like people can. I can only teach my half feral cat so much.
do animals other than humans sin?
 

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you believe Adam was killing and eating animals??

where is that in the Bible?

when God saw all He had made and called it 'very good' you think He was looking at a biosystem revolving around and sustained by death?

are you saying 'the breath of life' is just God converting people to vegetarianism?
I have never looked at it from this point of view. But He does break down clean meats from unclean in the food laws. And seriously before pollution and all the rest, I'll bet that was some really good tasting meat.
 

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AMMENDED

I am not saying that God is Satan. GOD CREATED SATAN. WHICH CAN CLEARLY BEEN SEEN BY THE They both have many more names
RE AMMENDED GOD CREATED THE CHERUB WHO became Satan and all the rest with his own free will.

Lord, please let me have gotten it right this time.
 
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In Genesis 2:17 we read: "but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil". There are two groups of people: The Calvinists and the Mormons who believe it was God's will for Adam and Eve to eat from this tree. The Calvinists because of their belief in man's basic state of depravity and the Mormons because of the NT passage that says we are Joint Heirs with Christ. The problem with this is nothing in the Bible even comes close to suggesting that we should do what God tells us NOT to do. The story makes this very clear that it was the snake a manifestation of the serpent that deceived Eve into doing what God said Not to do. Then people claim that Adam could not live without Eve so he followed her in her sin so that he could remain with her. There is NOTHING of any substance to back up this romantic idea. It just sounds good to people. It looks to me like the story of Adam and Eve has picked up 6,000 years worth of baggage. Jesus warns us to be careful: “Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and the Sadducees.” (Matthew 16:6) There seems to be a lot of leaven in this story of Adam and Eve. Perhaps we need to verify what we believe and not just go along with what appeals to our sense of romance and what feels good.
The Old Testament says that Adam was made in the image of God.

The New Testament says Adam was made in the figure of Him to come who is Jesus.

The image of God is the image of Christ.

God calls things that have not happened yet, as though they already happened, for if it is a plan of God to happen in the future it is the same as if it happened in the beginning, for it will surely come to pass with no hindrance.

Which the Lamb was slain form the foundation of the world, and the prophets blood shed from the foundation of the world, and all the works were finished from the foundation of the world although they were future events.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God, and the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, so the Word is the plan of God to come in the future in flesh, and without that plan God would of not created anything He created.

Which Jesus is the beginning of creation, and the firstborn among the creatures, even though He was not born until 4000 years later, for God calls things that have not happened yet, as though they already happened.

God created Adam in the image that He would show up in the future, and that is an innocent nature in flesh, so Adam and Eve were created with an innocent nature.

Which the Bible says that God created people to be upright, but they sought out many inventions, which means they wanted to do it their way, which the wicked are wandering stars for they are not in the position God wants them to be.

So Adam and Eve were not created to sin but to do right for they had an innocent nature, and the fallen angels were created to not sin for Lucifer was created perfect in his ways until iniquity was found in him for he had a choice and rebelled.

Let us make man in our image does not mean a trinity for God created Adam in the image that He would come in the future an innocent nature in flesh, God and the man Christ Jesus in harmony, so the let us make man in our image has to include the man Christ Jesus for He is part of that image, so the let us make man in our image is God and the man Christ Jesus, a prophetic statement to the coming Son of God, and Jesus is the beginning of creation.

Adam and Eve had an innocent nature and were not created to sin, and it would of never entered their mind to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil if an outside source did not tempt them, which the tree was in the garden for God gave them a choice.

So God allowed Satan to tempt Eve and she said they could not eat of the tree for that is all she could know and think, so Satan tempted her with an alternate reality that God did not tell her that she and Adam would be as gods, an exalted position from her current position, and she ate of the tree and sinned.

Then Eve was the outside source that tempted Adam by showing him that she did not die and was not hurt, and he ate of the tree and sinned.

Then they had a choice between good and evil, and all their offspring have a choice so they were born not knowing God so they will sin before they do right and follow God, so all have sinned, done the act not born with it, and come short of the glory of God.

For we are born innocent with no sin on our record, and we are not blamed for Adam and Eve's sin for that is their sin, which is why the angels always behold the face of the Father for the little ones until the age of accountability.

God made people upright to do right but they sought out their own ways, and Adam and Eve were not created to sin although God must of known they would sin being in the flesh, but it did not come from God but from Adam and Eve.

For God cannot be tempted by evil, neither does He tempt any person, but they are tempted when they are led away by the flesh, and enticed, for God does not cause any person to sin.
 

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God calls things that have not happened yet, as though they already happened, for if it is a plan of God to happen in the future it is the same as if it happened in the beginning, for it will surely come to pass with no hindrance.

Which the Lamb was slain form the foundation of the world, and the prophets blood shed from the foundation of the world, and all the works were finished from the foundation of the world although they were future events.
I don't think so. What if Israel would have repented? If there was NO CHANCE, if there is no free will then what is the purpose? Why would Satan be going after the seedline? Are you saying we are all just living an already written and finished script?
 
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The Old Testament says that Adam was made in the image of God.
Genesis 1:26 "Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness" Man was made by Father, Son & Holy Spirit. Even today the Holy Spirit is to be our Teacher and our Guide to show us the way of righteousness. Jesus lived His life as a example for us to follow. We are to be like He is. With the Father we are to have the Divine thoughts of God. To many people allow Satan to put his thoughts in their head rather then to have the Mind of Christ and the Divinity of God.
 

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RE AMMENDED GOD CREATED THE CHERUB WHO became Satan and all the rest with his own free will.

Lord, please let me have gotten it right this time.
NO, I didn't. But I am going to stop there anyhow.