Does I Corinthians 13 teach certain gifts ceased with the closing of the canon?
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Is that ethnocentricism? Or maybe I should say geocentrism and coin a term if no one else gas. If something amazing happens near where you arethat lends credibility to it?
I have heard of resurrections in African and what is now West Papua. Since these are areas where the gospel is being first introduced to knew peoples and groups it makes sense that there might be more miracles like in Hebrews 2 or Acts. Consider the reports of miracles with Patric and the Irish.
I have heard of resurrections in African and what is now West Papua. Since these are areas where the gospel is being first introduced to knew peoples and groups it makes sense that there might be more miracles like in Hebrews 2 or Acts. Consider the reports of miracles with Patric and the Irish.
You don't need to hear of reports and believe them, you need to read the bible and understand. This is another verse for you:
Luke 17:20When asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied, “The kingdom of God will not come with observable signs. 21Nor will people say, ‘Look, here it is,’ or ‘There it is.’ For you see, the kingdom of God is in your midst.
Nor can people say, " see those over there doing miracles or these over here speaking in a new language"
In this covenant, everyone is a priest and Christ the chief priest with no intermediaries.
Luke 17:20When asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied, “The kingdom of God will not come with observable signs. 21Nor will people say, ‘Look, here it is,’ or ‘There it is.’ For you see, the kingdom of God is in your midst.
Nor can people say, " see those over there doing miracles or these over here speaking in a new language"
In this covenant, everyone is a priest and Christ the chief priest with no intermediaries.
Jesus gave the red flags Himself:
John 9:
1Now as Jesus was passing by, He saw a man blind from birth, 2and His disciples asked Him, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?”
3Jesus answered, “Neither this man nor his parents sinned, but this happened so that the works of God would be displayed in him. 4While it is daytime, we must doa the works of Him who sent Me. Night is coming, when no one can work. 5While I am in the world, I am the light of the world.”
John 9:
1Now as Jesus was passing by, He saw a man blind from birth, 2and His disciples asked Him, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?”
3Jesus answered, “Neither this man nor his parents sinned, but this happened so that the works of God would be displayed in him. 4While it is daytime, we must doa the works of Him who sent Me. Night is coming, when no one can work. 5While I am in the world, I am the light of the world.”
Since Jesus did miracles at that time and apostles and other brethren did them later it makes no sense to use the verse the way you do.
The members of the body of Christ operating in their gifts is not the same thing Paul was talking about when He said there is one Mediator between God and man. In his role as an evangelistic preacher Paul considered himself to be an ambassador of Christ also, but that is different from being the Mediator. Hod does work through people by His grace.
Grace is still at work operating through people and hence there are still gifts. God did not withdraw all His grace from the saints and expect them to operate in their own strength. You lack understanding of grace.
The members of the body of Christ operating in their gifts is not the same thing Paul was talking about when He said there is one Mediator between God and man. In his role as an evangelistic preacher Paul considered himself to be an ambassador of Christ also, but that is different from being the Mediator. Hod does work through people by His grace.
Grace is still at work operating through people and hence there are still gifts. God did not withdraw all His grace from the saints and expect them to operate in their own strength. You lack understanding of grace.
There are roughly 237 references in the bible to "believe"
Only about 37 are in the ot.
25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.
26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
30 I and my Father are one.
31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.
39 Therefore they sought again to take him: but he escaped out of their hand,
Only about 37 are in the ot.
25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.
26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
30 I and my Father are one.
31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.
39 Therefore they sought again to take him: but he escaped out of their hand,
Your connection between grace and gifts is a stretch. We know gifts cease but God's mercy is forever.
What Jesus and the apostles did was foundational for it is said, the kingdom is made of Jesus as the chief corner stone and the apostles as the foundation. Apart from other things, Jesus' message was "the kingdom of God is at hand" and Jesus also said it comes with no observable signs- so the gifts were also foundational. The kingdom itself is here and it should have no observable signs.
What Jesus and the apostles did was foundational for it is said, the kingdom is made of Jesus as the chief corner stone and the apostles as the foundation. Apart from other things, Jesus' message was "the kingdom of God is at hand" and Jesus also said it comes with no observable signs- so the gifts were also foundational. The kingdom itself is here and it should have no observable signs.
We Know God is alive through his mighty hand.
The gospel was NEVER ordained to be preached WITHOUT sighn and wonders following.
NEVER.
GOD HAS ALWAYS MOVED THROUGH POWER.
It is not a mental God nor is his book a mental book.
Red flags galore to those bringing that mental dynamic to earth and its inhabitants.
God is alive with ALL POWER.
JESUS SAID "do not even think of ANY MINISTRY untill you wait in the upper room for the power"
Ahhhh,but modern apathy refutes that
The gospel was NEVER ordained to be preached WITHOUT sighn and wonders following.
NEVER.
GOD HAS ALWAYS MOVED THROUGH POWER.
It is not a mental God nor is his book a mental book.
Red flags galore to those bringing that mental dynamic to earth and its inhabitants.
God is alive with ALL POWER.
JESUS SAID "do not even think of ANY MINISTRY untill you wait in the upper room for the power"
Ahhhh,but modern apathy refutes that