Torah Observant Christians.
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Yeah, I get it.
2 Corinthians 3:7-9
7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
The Ministration of Death is NOT Gods Law.
The Ministration of Condemnation is NOT Gods Law.
That is Moses Law written on stone.
Gods Law has made us free from the Law of Condemnation and Death.
Gods Law has made us Righteous in a way that the Ministration of Death could not.
Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
2 Corinthians 3:7-9
7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
The Ministration of Death is NOT Gods Law.
The Ministration of Condemnation is NOT Gods Law.
That is Moses Law written on stone.
Gods Law has made us free from the Law of Condemnation and Death.
Gods Law has made us Righteous in a way that the Ministration of Death could not.
Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
The Lord took the curse of the law to the cross but NOT if you are still working at it.
The blessings of the law have always been for those who OBEY the Law. Unfortunately no one can do it. Except the Lord Jesus Christ. So if you want to be blessed of God the ONLY WAY is through Christ. NOT THROUGH YOUR WORK AT THE LAW.
Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
Don't you think that Paul knows that the Lord has taken the curse of the law to the cross?
Yes, of course he does. But if you continue in your working at the law then you continue to place yourself under the curse.
Galatians 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
This is all scripture.
The blessings of the law have always been for those who OBEY the Law. Unfortunately no one can do it. Except the Lord Jesus Christ. So if you want to be blessed of God the ONLY WAY is through Christ. NOT THROUGH YOUR WORK AT THE LAW.
Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
Don't you think that Paul knows that the Lord has taken the curse of the law to the cross?
Yes, of course he does. But if you continue in your working at the law then you continue to place yourself under the curse.
Galatians 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
This is all scripture.
it's universally understood when we say 'Torah' we refer to all of the law, all of the books of Moses, not just to the decalogue. see for example Deuteronomy 28:58, 'carefully follow all the words of this law (lit. torah) written in this book'
but isn't it interesting, the first tablets were both written by God and carved out by God, but because of the great wickedness of the people, they were broken - and then a second set of tablets was carved by Moses & inscribed by God ((Exodus 34: 1-4)).
so the first tablets were the work of man, but because of sin, the second tablets were the work of man.
is this why Abraham wasn't given this law or this covenant, but the Israelites, who grumbled & called God evil from the very day they were taken out of Egypt - they were given this law, and this covenant? that is -- did Abraham have a ministration of death or a ministration of righteousness? and it is the covenant with Abraham that is not annulled, the promise ((Galatians 3:16)) - but the covenant at Sinai that was broken, which the new covenant of our Lord's flesh and blood is "not like" ((Genesis 17:10, Isaiah 59, Matthew 26:28, Jeremiah 31:32, Hebrews 8:9, Romans 11:27 et al))
studying this i am really getting the picture that the Hebrews wold have received a much different covenant & law if they had not been so stiff-necked & wicked. truly 'the law is not made for the righteous' ((1 Timothy 1:9))
but isn't it interesting, the first tablets were both written by God and carved out by God, but because of the great wickedness of the people, they were broken - and then a second set of tablets was carved by Moses & inscribed by God ((Exodus 34: 1-4)).
so the first tablets were the work of man, but because of sin, the second tablets were the work of man.
is this why Abraham wasn't given this law or this covenant, but the Israelites, who grumbled & called God evil from the very day they were taken out of Egypt - they were given this law, and this covenant? that is -- did Abraham have a ministration of death or a ministration of righteousness? and it is the covenant with Abraham that is not annulled, the promise ((Galatians 3:16)) - but the covenant at Sinai that was broken, which the new covenant of our Lord's flesh and blood is "not like" ((Genesis 17:10, Isaiah 59, Matthew 26:28, Jeremiah 31:32, Hebrews 8:9, Romans 11:27 et al))
studying this i am really getting the picture that the Hebrews wold have received a much different covenant & law if they had not been so stiff-necked & wicked. truly 'the law is not made for the righteous' ((1 Timothy 1:9))
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it is a popular theory among the unbelieving Jews that the decalogue is the basis and synopsis of the law, but Christ says differently - the basis of the law (torah) is not found among these 10; it is hidden in Deuteronomy 6 & Leviticus 19 - love the LORD and love your neighbor.
when Christ made that torah obsolete ((John 13:34, Luke 22:20, Hebrews 8:13)) He collapsed the basis of that torah which had a foundation of two mitzvah into one, saying love one another as He has loved you
see Zechariah 11 -- two shepherds, two staffs. see the blessing and the curse of the letter. see the broken staff of Ezekiel 37:15-17 --- and see how our Lord said there will be one flock, and one Shepherd, John 10
something amazing happened when Christ came - something radically changed
when Christ made that torah obsolete ((John 13:34, Luke 22:20, Hebrews 8:13)) He collapsed the basis of that torah which had a foundation of two mitzvah into one, saying love one another as He has loved you
see Zechariah 11 -- two shepherds, two staffs. see the blessing and the curse of the letter. see the broken staff of Ezekiel 37:15-17 --- and see how our Lord said there will be one flock, and one Shepherd, John 10
something amazing happened when Christ came - something radically changed
hmm there in verse 25 it says David will be their prince ((your chosen translation says 'leader'))
how is David called servant, king, and prince?
whose servant is an earthly king? Who does scripture say is Israel's true king?
it says also there will be One Shepherd -- do you think, David, not Christ?
do you think Jesus is David reincarnated . . ?
or that one is a representation of the other? which is the real king and shepherd?
or do you just have me on ignore now because you cannot bear my words
you ought to consider this:
how is David called servant, king, and prince?
whose servant is an earthly king? Who does scripture say is Israel's true king?
it says also there will be One Shepherd -- do you think, David, not Christ?
do you think Jesus is David reincarnated . . ?
or that one is a representation of the other? which is the real king and shepherd?
or do you just have me on ignore now because you cannot bear my words
you ought to consider this:
The scepter shall not depart from Judah, nor the ruler's staff from between his feet,
until Shiloh comes, and to Him shall be the obedience of the peoples.
(Genesis 49:10)
who do you say Shiloh is, @Whispered ?
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hmm there in verse 25 it says David will be their prince ((your chosen translation says 'leader'))
how is David called servant, king, and prince?
whose servant is an earthly king? Who does scripture say is Israel's true king?
it says also there will be One Shepherd -- do you think, David, not Christ?
do you think Jesus is David reincarnated . . ?
or that one is a representation of the other? which is the real king and shepherd?
or do you just have me on ignore now because you cannot bear my words
you ought to consider this:
how is David called servant, king, and prince?
whose servant is an earthly king? Who does scripture say is Israel's true king?
it says also there will be One Shepherd -- do you think, David, not Christ?
do you think Jesus is David reincarnated . . ?
or that one is a representation of the other? which is the real king and shepherd?
or do you just have me on ignore now because you cannot bear my words
you ought to consider this:
The scepter shall not depart from Judah, nor the ruler's staff from between his feet,
until Shiloh comes, and to Him shall be the obedience of the peoples.
(Genesis 49:10)
who do you say Shiloh is, @Whispered ?
That too.
I sought this out since some don't regard the personal knowledge of scripture as valid in making our point about a Bible subject.
Will David reign with Jesus in the Millennial Kingdom?
I sought this out since some don't regard the personal knowledge of scripture as valid in making our point about a Bible subject.
Will David reign with Jesus in the Millennial Kingdom?
That's why I don't believe your claims about Dispensationalism.
You claimed the chart I provided was wrong and yet you were wrong in your rebuttals of it.
That chart was complied by those who do know Dispensationalism and Covenant Theology. I can rest assured they were not wrong.
Dr. H.L Schafer
Dr.Charles Hodge
You claimed the chart I provided was wrong and yet you were wrong in your rebuttals of it.
That chart was complied by those who do know Dispensationalism and Covenant Theology. I can rest assured they were not wrong.
Dr. H.L Schafer
Dr.Charles Hodge
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