The Millennium is a Pharisee Doctrine

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Dave-L

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tourist said:
Jesus stated that even He does not know the day or time that He will return as that is only known by the Father. Jesus also stated that He is coming in the clouds with the saints and that from East to West every eye shall see Him. That obviously has not happen yet. . While the exact day and time is not known Jesus did mention the parable of the fig tree to know when the season is near for the culmination of end-time events as stated in scripture. You might consider getting with the program while there is still time for the days are getting shorter. Jesus mentioned that too.
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This is the restoration of Israel (Believers in Christ) on the last day in the resurrection.
 
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TooFastTurtle said:
Have you read the verse? Jesus did not rebuke them just said they are not to know the times and seasons:


Acts 1:6-7 So when they had come together, they asked him, “Lord, will you at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?” He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or seasons that the Father has fixed by his own authority.
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The times and seasons for the restoration of Israel is the last day when Israel (Believers in Christ) are resurrected.
 
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Ahwatukee said:
All of the prophesies regarding Christ where literal fulfillments, not spiritual. Likewise, all of the prophesies yet to come will be literally fulfilled. You distort prophecy by allegorizing or spiritualizing them.
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Only 11 of some 90+ prophecies were fulfilled as written.
 
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Dave-L said:
This is the restoration of Israel (Believers in Christ) on the last day in the resurrection.
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Nothing whatsoever to do with the restoration of Israel. There was also mentioned a 7 year treaty that guarantees the safety of that country by a country or other entity that is yet unknow. Also, the temple must be rebuilt in Jerusalem in a specific location. None of this has happen yet including the Abomination of Desolation as stated in the book of Daniel. It was also mentioned that 'let the reader understand' but apparently there still remains confusion.
 
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tourist said:
Nothing whatsoever to do with the restoration of Israel. There was also mentioned a 7 year treaty that guarantees the safety of that country by a country or other entity that is yet unknow. Also, the temple must be rebuilt in Jerusalem in a specific location. None of this has happen yet including the Abomination of Desolation as stated in the book of Daniel. It was also mentioned that 'let the reader understand' but apparently there still remains confusion.
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Jesus IS Israel. And those who believe in him. Secular Israel is not biblical Israel.
 
Aerials1978

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Because only the born again can see it.
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Right, but we are taking about Christ return. The Kingdom is in the heart of believers, but are you denying that Jesus will reign in a physical kingdom? If so, what is the source you are using for this position?
 
Ahwatukee

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Dave-L said:
Satan was bound when Jesus first began preaching.

“But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you.” Luke 11:20 (KJV 1900)
And the rest of what you say fails to sync with this.
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All you're doing is repeating a known false teaching. I have debated with many on this very same thing that you are claiming. This teaching is not something that you came up with, but what you have been deceived into and have adopted. It's just a false teaching.

Satan was not bound in the Abyss when Jesus began teaching, for Peter said, that your enemy the devil, prowls around like a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour.

By believing in Jesus, the law no longer has any power over the believer, which was ammunition for Satan and the powers of darkness and that because mankind couldn't met the laws righteous standards. We are now free in Christ. However, the god of this world is still blinding the eyes of those who are rejecting the gospel. Satan is not bound.

Regarding the scripture you quote above, Jesus said that because the Pharisees said that he was casting out demons by the prince of demons. It doesn't mean that the millennial kingdom had come. How you people misinterpret and distort the word of God.
 
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Aerials1978 said:
Right, but we are taking about Christ return. The Kingdom is in the heart of believers, but are you denying that Jesus will reign in a physical kingdom? If so, what is the source you are using for this position?
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No earthly 1000 year kingdom. Only in the New Heavens and Earth forever.
 
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Ahwatukee said:
All you're doing is repeating a known false teaching. I have debated with many on this very same thing that you are claiming. This teaching is not something that you came up with, but what you have been deceived into and have adopted. It's just a false teaching.

Satan was not bound in the Abyss when Jesus began teaching, for Peter said, that your enemy the devil, prowls around like a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour.

By believing in Jesus, the law no longer has any power over the believer, which was ammunition for Satan and the powers of darkness and that because mankind couldn't met the laws righteous standards. We are now free in Christ. However, the god of this world is still blinding the eyes of those who are rejecting the gospel. Satan is not bound.

Regarding the scripture you quote above, Jesus said that because the Pharisees said that he was casting out demons by the prince of demons. It doesn't mean that the millennial kingdom had come. How you people misinterpret and distort the word of God.
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You cannot understand Zechariah or Revelation apart from understanding Jesus' description of the Kingdom. You must begin with that.
 
Ahwatukee

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Only 11 of some 90+ prophecies were fulfilled as written.
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You're circumventing (changing the subject) of what I said, so allow me to reiterate. All of the prophesies regarding the Lord appearing in the flesh were literally/physically fulfilled. The prophesies that are still future (and there are many) will also be fulfilled literally and physically.
 
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Ahwatukee said:
You're circumventing (changing the subject) of what I said, so allow me to reiterate. All of the prophesies regarding the Lord appearing in the flesh were literally/physically fulfilled. The prophesies that are still future (and there are many) will also be fulfilled literally and physically.
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It disproves your claim. Have documentation.
 
Ahwatukee

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Dave-L said:
You cannot understand Zechariah or Revelation apart from understanding Jesus' description of the Kingdom. You must begin with that.
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The information in Revelation regarding the coming kingdom stands alone.

We have a thousand year period mentioned six times in Revelation 20. This cannot be ignored, nor distorted.

Jesus will return to this earth after the seventh bowl of God's wrath has been poured out to end the age and establish His kingdom on this present earth and the following will happen:

"He will judge between the nations and will settle disputes for many peoples. They will beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation will not take up sword against nation, nor will they train for war anymore."
 
Ahwatukee

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Dave-L said:
It disproves your claim. Have documentation.
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I already gave you the scriptures.

You are free to proclaim your false teachings, however, there will be consequences.
 
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Ahwatukee said:
The information in Revelation regarding the coming kingdom stands alone.

We have a thousand year period mentioned six times in Revelation 20. This cannot be ignored, nor distorted.

Jesus will return to this earth after the seventh bowl of God's wrath has been poured out to end the age and establish His kingdom on this present earth and the following will happen:

"He will judge between the nations and will settle disputes for many peoples. They will beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation will not take up sword against nation, nor will they train for war anymore."
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His kingdom is now. But only the born again can see it.
 
Chris1975

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All of you are playing @Dave-L 's game. There is no solid foundation in his doctrine, and he is denying the plain scriptures. Nor is he teachable. And other than only 1 or 2 people here @notuptome and @preacher4truth who seem to agree with him, his views are totally contrarian to what is common Christian knowledge.

My suggestion is to stop feeding him.
 
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