Why the Baptism with the Holy Spirit is not for Today
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I would think they would give glory to the unseen power of God. called faith. It represents the will of the father of all spirits not seen. Rather than attributing it to men seen the corrupted temporal. They would seem to reveal the wrath of God faithless mankind..by lusting after the flesh of Jesus hoping Jewish flesh profits for something. Even though Jesus says it does not. Many of the disciples walked away in unbelief no faith.
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.Romans1:18:23
It would appear that the uncorruptible Holy Spirit made corruptible man Jesus as the Son of man a image in the likeness of sinful flesh.In order to do that which the letter of the law "death" could not do. . . bring new born again life as the work of the father not seen and the Son seen working together in perfect harmony
.Making the letter of the law "death" the stepping stone to all the lively stones that do make up the spiritual unseen house of God, the church the new kingdom of priests after Christ .Not the flesh of the levities The perfect or complete law. . . mixing faith with the things seen,. Again not of the things seen .but the power in us of Him
1 Peter 2:5Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
Romans 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
The imputed righteousness that works in those who do trust the word.
Philippians 3:9 And be found in him, not having "mine own" righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
Define partial knowledge and full knowledge. The OT was completed in the NT. Apostles had greater knowledge than the scholars and Phd's of their day without attaining a formal education in religion. Believers today must study and pray for knowledge in the scriptures not simply inherit it by gifting.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Then you have a problem with your interpretation, because it says 'Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.' It doesn't say Paul will get a book with all the knowledge that he can research. Your interpretation doesn't match. Your interpretation has us getting the knowledge which doesn't effect Paul, since he is asleep in Christ, and then your interpretation is about a book to study from, not knowledge.
You completely miss what the passage is saying. Through knowledge of the book we have knowledge of ourselves in relation to God but the apostles had knowledge of the book before it was written.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Here you are misconstruing "knowledge". The gift is "the word of knowledge", which is a message about something which is not known in the natural. It could be almost anything; nowhere does Scripture restrict the "knowledge" to spiritual issues or to later-revealed Scripture. In order for your view to work, you must prove beyond doubt that the "knowledge" is what we would later know as Scripture; all the letters not yet written when 1 Corinthians was written.
It does not say that. We can read it. The words are right there on the page. Your eisegeting your own ideas into the text.
This is exactly why you are wrong. Paul says that he knew in part before the perfect came. The New Testament contains apostolic knowledge, like Paul told the Ephesians-- "that by reading this ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ."
Your interpretation makes your knowledge full and Paul's incomplete-- because you a possess a book with his, and other apostles' knowledge--which doesn't mean you have the knowledge. You have the book. Having the book and knowing it are different, and many people who have the book know little.
This healing is gradual, but it is well documented. I think she was a megachurch pastor's wife. I found old footage of her online singing in a wheelchair and a human interest news piece about her injury before she was healed. After she was healed, there is a lot of footage on her, even a local news clip about the formerly crippled woman going home to Ohio to see her parents.
That proves nothing. If the Baptism was for today, you would see miracles in the headlines every day worldwide. Everyone would be like the Apostles if what Charismatics say was true.
You have a distant and diminishing relationship with sound reasoning.
More tireless zeal to reframe Jesus's testimony and church.
"All african ants are red"
Really?
"Yes ,all sources that say otherwise are false"
Have you Been to Africa?
"What for? As long as me and my colleagues believe it,i am fine with my great authority and snippy crafty explainations."
Wow,i have been there and you are wrong
"Nope no such thing as me being wrong in my theory"
Look,you have no authority. You are guessing and use poor standards for your theory. There are many colors of ants in africa
"Show me one"
Not my problem. But yours is invincible ignorance. There are in fact other colors.
"Color is just the pigment and the way light is reflected"
Never mind. Continue your fool's paradise.
As long as it exists in your mind and your teacher's minds that is all that "matters" ....again....in your mind.
Happy that you have such "proof"...facepalm
If even one miracle happened today like in Acts, it would be worldwide headline news. Instead we have embarrassment for anyone calling themselves a Christian coming from the ranks of the Charismatics.
Yes
Indescribable and awesome.
Jesus is still alive!!!!
He is the same,yesterday,today,and forever.
Man ceased. Jesus and his extended arm...us...never did.
Well some did cease And are even offended at those who dare step out.
But scary indeed that they must by implication attribite the power of God to the devil.
Waoh, Jesus said that reframing of Gods power is UNFORGIVABLE
Your accusations are without merit. I have not claimed superior knowledge to Paul or the other apostles. I do have a more complete written account of Gods revelation to man. Same Holy Spirit but no superior knowledge.
Scripture without knowledge cannot and will not produce wisdom. The NT completes the OT. Paul and the other apostles has only the OT scriptures from which to preach that Jesus of Nazareth was indeed the Redeemer sent from God. The divine intersession of the Holy Spirit allowed Paul and the other apostles to minister with great authority until the NT was completed.
The Holy Spirit now ministers with great authority through the perfect revelation of God. Foolish men refuse to trust in it and go about to impose their will on the will of God.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Believers are to believe what God has delivered to them in His word. If you will not believe you cannot grow and increase in knowledge. You become as the person you accuse others of becoming.
"You have a distant and diminishing relationship with sound reasoning." post 492
You cannot impose your will upon God. You can only surrender your will to the will of God.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Look up "cushings disease in dogs".
Go to the forum where those dog owners chat.
It is a nightmare.
My dog was healed by the power of God .
They kicked me off the forum when i testified about it.
T hey said,like you,nope it did not happen and you are harming those poor people with those suffering dogs.
It is as if you people are under a spell. Not only do you erroneously reframe the bible,even the notion of any miracle offends you.
Nothing has changed in the mockery and opposition to Gods power.
They did it to Jesus,and they do it today.
So no,even your imagined "front page" invention is bogus.
Btw,cushings is 100% fatal
But another physician says no... His name is Jesus.
I havea big God and little devil. The devil is in a wheelchair.
How have that TRUTH reversed.
Read the nt.
It is Faith,and approaching heaven as a little child that heaven responds to.
Heaven will sadly allow your formulas and skepticism.
It is allowed to walk in that apostasy.
Will not hurt you ultimate salvation.
You will be a "smoker " when you enter heaven.
In corinthians it says ".....they are saved but their works are burned up"