Is satan a fallen angel?
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I apologize for saying it was a fantasy, the only reason why you say I am not a man of my word is because you want me to believe you theory, that is why you say what you say and don’t even care rather I apologize for anything quite frankly I don’t care if you care about that or not. since you above statements says (if i like) pretty much convinced me you don’t like or care two cent about anybody or anything but yourself. forget the Bible talks I’m seeing a whole new thing now. maybe this is where I was wanting to get at to know
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No, I say you are not a man of your word because you did not keep your word. Yes you are correct I don't really care if you recant your heresy or not like you said you would on the condition that I could show a scripture that calls kings trees. Indeed people's opinions don't really matter, not even mine, compared to the truth of God.
I have given no theory.
I have given no theory.
That is why you are wrong! Both the king of Babylon and the king of Tyre, is symbolically referring to Satan. Are you so dull that you cannot figure that out?
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How you have fallen from heaven,
O morning star, son of the dawn!
You have been cut down to the ground,
O destroyer of nations.
You said in your heart:
“I will ascend to the heavens;
I will raise my throne
above the stars of God.
I will sit on the mount of assembly,
in the far reaches of the north.
I will ascend above the tops of the clouds;
I will make myself like the Most High.”
When was the king of Babylon in heaven? Pay attention to what is being said, because it requires a little spiritual discernment.
What human king can possibly ascend to the heavens about the stars (angels) of God and above God's throne.
The mount of assembly in the far reaches of the north, is in reference to a location in heaven.
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You were the seal of perfection,
full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.
You were in Eden,
the garden of God.
Every kind of precious stone adorned you:
ruby, topaz, and diamond,
beryl, onyx, and jasper,
sapphire, turquoise, and emerald.
Your mountings and settings were crafted in gold,
prepared on the day of your creation.
You were anointed as a guardian cherub,
for I had ordained you.
You were on the holy mountain of God;
you walked among the fiery stones.
From the day you were created
you were blameless in your ways—
until wickedness was found in you.
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Satan, then Lucifer, was created with built in precious stones. Notice God says regarding Satan that those precious stones were "prepared on the day of your creation." That is not referring to a human being!
You were on the holy mount of God and walked among the fiery stone? When was the king of Babylon on the holy mount of God? He's obviously referring to a mount in heaven.
From the day you were created you were blameless in your ways? I know for a fact that no human being was created, much less blameless in their ways.
Satan is a fallen angel and a third of the holy angels rebelled with him sometime prior to the creation of mankind.
These fallen angels are also called unclean spirits, demons, principalities and powers. Satan is referred to as the prince of the power of the air.
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How you have fallen from heaven,
O morning star, son of the dawn!
You have been cut down to the ground,
O destroyer of nations.
You said in your heart:
“I will ascend to the heavens;
I will raise my throne
above the stars of God.
I will sit on the mount of assembly,
in the far reaches of the north.
I will ascend above the tops of the clouds;
I will make myself like the Most High.”
When was the king of Babylon in heaven? Pay attention to what is being said, because it requires a little spiritual discernment.
What human king can possibly ascend to the heavens about the stars (angels) of God and above God's throne.
The mount of assembly in the far reaches of the north, is in reference to a location in heaven.
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You were the seal of perfection,
full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.
You were in Eden,
the garden of God.
Every kind of precious stone adorned you:
ruby, topaz, and diamond,
beryl, onyx, and jasper,
sapphire, turquoise, and emerald.
Your mountings and settings were crafted in gold,
prepared on the day of your creation.
You were anointed as a guardian cherub,
for I had ordained you.
You were on the holy mountain of God;
you walked among the fiery stones.
From the day you were created
you were blameless in your ways—
until wickedness was found in you.
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Satan, then Lucifer, was created with built in precious stones. Notice God says regarding Satan that those precious stones were "prepared on the day of your creation." That is not referring to a human being!
You were on the holy mount of God and walked among the fiery stone? When was the king of Babylon on the holy mount of God? He's obviously referring to a mount in heaven.
From the day you were created you were blameless in your ways? I know for a fact that no human being was created, much less blameless in their ways.
Satan is a fallen angel and a third of the holy angels rebelled with him sometime prior to the creation of mankind.
These fallen angels are also called unclean spirits, demons, principalities and powers. Satan is referred to as the prince of the power of the air.
No, you are incorrect. Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28 are about two different people from two different kingdoms from two different races. Isaiah 14 bluntly says it is addressed to the King of Babylon. Ezekiel 28 bluntly says it is addressed to the King of Tyre.
As for Satan the Bible says he is an animal, a serpent, a dragon who is named Satan and Devil and in the Bible he is always addressed this way.
When was a King of Babylon lifted up the heavens and also thrown down? Consider Daniel 4.
As for Satan the Bible says he is an animal, a serpent, a dragon who is named Satan and Devil and in the Bible he is always addressed this way.
When was a King of Babylon lifted up the heavens and also thrown down? Consider Daniel 4.
A heresy, in a neutral sense of the term, is a doctrine that is contrary to the orthodox canon. In the case of Christianity the orthodox canon is the Bible. The heresy that Satan is an angel blasphemously praised as a lucifer/lightbearer is not in the Bible, but is derived from a tradition made by men, in other words, a heresy.
Again this is not why you said I can continue in my Heresy, is what you said to me in post #143.
JeremiahsCup said:
No, I say you are not a man of your word because you did not keep your word. Yes you are correct I don't really care if you recant your heresy or not like you said you would on the condition that I could show a scripture that calls kings trees. Indeed people's opinions don't really matter, not even mine, compared to the truth of God.
so please tell why you keep bringing orthodox stuff up,
I said it symbolic and you say the trees where real tress what gives, what’s up with all the heresy on that i simply disagree with your analogy
JeremiahsCup said:
No, I say you are not a man of your word because you did not keep your word. Yes you are correct I don't really care if you recant your heresy or not like you said you would on the condition that I could show a scripture that calls kings trees. Indeed people's opinions don't really matter, not even mine, compared to the truth of God.
so please tell why you keep bringing orthodox stuff up,
I said it symbolic and you say the trees where real tress what gives, what’s up with all the heresy on that i simply disagree with your analogy
It is amazing how you ignore everything that I listed. You did not give an answer to any of those facts. You state the same thing and never address the information.
You have to be smart enough after reading the scripture, taking the context into consideration, which you obviously you are not doing. Jesus said the following:
"Then Jesus declared, "I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty."
Above, Jesus says that He is the bread of life. Does that mean that He is an actual loaf of bread?
"Jesus spoke to them using this illustration, but they did not understand what He was telling them. So He said to them again, “Truly, truly, I tell you, I am the gate for the sheep. All who came before Me were thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not listen to them. I am the gate. If anyone enters through Me, he will be saved. He will come in and go out and find pasture.
Is Jesus a literal gate? Are the sheep literal sheep?
If you apply the symbolic language to the king of Babylon and the king of Tyre and if you will take into consideration everything that is said within the context, you cannot come to the conclusion that human kings are what is being spoke of. Address those previous characteristics of both kings that I presented to you. Don't just come back and say, "Isaiah 14 bluntly says it is addressed to the King of Babylon. The context would say that the human king of Babylon is not who is being spoken of. Go back and look at the details of my previous scripture, or are you not concerned about the truth?
That is because they are symbolic names representing Satan. Do you actually think that Satan is a seven headed dragon, with ten horns and ten crowns? The term "dragon and serpent" are monikers representing Satan. He was the covering cherubim, who was at one time a top angel of God, unique. The prophesies about the king of Babylon and Trye in Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28 are monikers, i.e. other descriptive titles for Satan.
You have to be smart enough after reading the scripture, taking the context into consideration, which you obviously you are not doing. Jesus said the following:
"Then Jesus declared, "I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty."
Above, Jesus says that He is the bread of life. Does that mean that He is an actual loaf of bread?
"Jesus spoke to them using this illustration, but they did not understand what He was telling them. So He said to them again, “Truly, truly, I tell you, I am the gate for the sheep. All who came before Me were thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not listen to them. I am the gate. If anyone enters through Me, he will be saved. He will come in and go out and find pasture.
Is Jesus a literal gate? Are the sheep literal sheep?
If you apply the symbolic language to the king of Babylon and the king of Tyre and if you will take into consideration everything that is said within the context, you cannot come to the conclusion that human kings are what is being spoke of. Address those previous characteristics of both kings that I presented to you. Don't just come back and say, "Isaiah 14 bluntly says it is addressed to the King of Babylon. The context would say that the human king of Babylon is not who is being spoken of. Go back and look at the details of my previous scripture, or are you not concerned about the truth?
That is because they are symbolic names representing Satan. Do you actually think that Satan is a seven headed dragon, with ten horns and ten crowns? The term "dragon and serpent" are monikers representing Satan. He was the covering cherubim, who was at one time a top angel of God, unique. The prophesies about the king of Babylon and Trye in Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28 are monikers, i.e. other descriptive titles for Satan.
No, I read what you said and did not ignore you, hence the reply.
Yes, Jesus is the bread of heaven that if any man eat of him he will not die.
Yes, Jesus is the gate, the only gate by which man may enter the Kingdom of God.
Yes Jesus is the lamb of God whom was sacrificed for the sins of the world.
The King of Babylon is the King of Babylon in context the prophecy is about the King of Babylon whom smote the nations and broke them to pieces, and lifted himself up against the knowledge of God and was struck down by God.
Yes, Satan is a dragon, he has always been an animal, he always will be. The beast that is like a dragon (for it will be given the power of Satan) with seven heads and ten horns is the final fallen kingdom.
Nowhere in all of the Bible will you ever find a verse that says Satan was an angel, much less the top angel, much less that praises Satan as lightbearer. It cannot be found because it simply is not in the Bible, but rather this heresy that subtly has tricked many people into praising the pathetic animal Satan, is derived from dead men.
Yes, Jesus is the bread of heaven that if any man eat of him he will not die.
Yes, Jesus is the gate, the only gate by which man may enter the Kingdom of God.
Yes Jesus is the lamb of God whom was sacrificed for the sins of the world.
The King of Babylon is the King of Babylon in context the prophecy is about the King of Babylon whom smote the nations and broke them to pieces, and lifted himself up against the knowledge of God and was struck down by God.
Yes, Satan is a dragon, he has always been an animal, he always will be. The beast that is like a dragon (for it will be given the power of Satan) with seven heads and ten horns is the final fallen kingdom.
Nowhere in all of the Bible will you ever find a verse that says Satan was an angel, much less the top angel, much less that praises Satan as lightbearer. It cannot be found because it simply is not in the Bible, but rather this heresy that subtly has tricked many people into praising the pathetic animal Satan, is derived from dead men.
A heresy is any doctrine that is contrary to the orthodox canon. This is the definition of a heresy. To say Satan is an angel, and to praise him as a lightbearer is not in the Bible, which is the orthodox canon of Christianity. Additionally it is contrary to the teachings of the Bible and turns the canon of the Bible on its head. Therefore it is a heresy.