Why is this not being taught in Church?

[Dino246]

What then would "Favored" be in that kind of theology? Simply that of, God picked her to be mother of God's Holy Spirit as Emmanuel. Who contradicted in that choosing of her His own eternal word. That God indwells those dead in their sin.

Didn't say favored means sinless. You don't read the posts that inform you of what Favored actually means.

Of course it does. Prove your point then. That Holy Spirit God indwells those who are dead in their sins. Produce God's word, scripture, as proof of your point.

Now you are out of line. Now I know why you are so failed in scripture.
Thank you for that, as it explains quite a lot.

Anti-Catholic bigotry , like all bigotry, is a sin. You'd learn something if you were more free of heart.

He has eyes but he does not see, mind but he does not read. Because it conflicts with the theology he boasts yet lacks.

Do you believe Jesus was God?

I have better things to do than respond further to your silly, error-ridden tirade. Have a nice day.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

There are also those teachings, Denominations, that teach that Jesus was not divine. He was merely a man favored by God to do God's work. Anabaptist's, Mormons, Christian Scientists, JW's, Christadelphians, teach this. This is also why they believe Jesus was a man who could be tempted by Satan and fall into sin, but chose not to.

However, Jesus was sinless, therefore He could not sin, ever. We know this because when Jesus was fully God.
The Devil did not at first know for certain if Emmanuel/Jesus was the prophesied Messiah of Israel when he first tempted Him in the The Book of Matthew chapter 4:3 And the tempter came and said to him, “If you are the Son of God, command these stones to become loaves of bread.” desert.

However, in the Book of Matthew chapter 8, we read that the Demons knew Jesus was the Son of God, God Himself.
28 And when he came to the other side, to the country of the Gadarenes,[e] two demon-possessed[f] men met him, coming out of the tombs, so fierce that no one could pass that way. 29 And behold, they cried out, “What have you to do with us, O Son of God? Have you come here to torment us before the time?”



Son = υἱός (hyios)
Strong: G5207

of = ὁ (ho)
Strong: G3588, G5120


God =θεός (theos)
Strong: G2316


Other proofs in scripture:
The Book of Mark chapter 1:24 *Referring to Christ there as , Jesus of Nazareth
The Book of Mark chapter 5:7 *Referring to Christ there as, Jesus Son of the Most High God

As pertains to the Devil/Adversary of God, Satan, still questioning if Jesus were the Son of God, still tempting Jesus to do his will:
The Book of Luke chapter 4:3 *Satan saying, if you are the Son of God.... , while later in the chapter (verse 41) the Demons come out and proclaim Jesus is the Son of God.
The Book of Luke chapter 8:28 *the Demon begging Jesus, whom he acknowledged as the Son of the Most High God,

Satan did not know Jesus was Messiah. Jesus divinity was kept secret from the unbelievers and Demons and even Satan, which is why Joseph was wed to Mary before she started to show, so as to make it appear they were lawfully married before she became pregnant. An unwed woman was subject to the penalty of the law for getting pregnant.

Jesus divine person was revealed when He was Baptized by John and God's Holy Spirit then said to all gathered and announced the fact that Jesus was the Son of God. The Book of Matthew chapter 3

Satan knew exactly who he was. Not sure where you get some of these things you say

once again, if Jesus had no ability to chose to not serve others but serve himself. Then he can not be our great high priest, because he was NEVER tempted as we are, because he could not sin

his sacrifice is also a fraudulent sacrifice, because he never had the ability or temptation to sin, so saying he could Take the punishment in our place is meaningless. He could never suffer our fate,

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I think Matthew 1:18 explains it quite well. Mary was carrying the Christ child. She was with child. The child is a living person.

Matthew 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

The child that was born is the same child that was in Mary’s womb.

I have high Res pictures of both of my daughters sons while they were in her womb

they were her children

yet at that time, they had no soul

So no,this passage does not prove her point, her child was born, at BIRTH he was made lower than the angels. Not at conception

 

[eternally-gratefull]

John the baptist had declared Him. even from His birth, the angels and the magi had - and Simeon, explicitly, too.

so did Satan not know Christ is the Messiah or did he just not understand who the Messiah is?

I think he understood fully both

why else would he convince a king to go murder every baby less than 2 years old, why else would he do al ost everything he could to remove messiah. and why else would he take him up to the mountain and offer him all those things to begin with

 

[eternally-gratefull]

here too:

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And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.​

(Luke 1:35) ​

Well yes this proves the child born was immanual God

it does not prove Jesus left heaven and entered the baby while it was in the womb.

 

[posthuman]

I think he understood fully both

why else would he convince a king to go murder every baby less than 2 years old, why else would he do al ost everything he could to remove messiah. and why else would he take him up to the mountain and offer him all those things to begin with

i dunno man if he knew it was God would he be testing Him? isn't Satan smart enough to know he can't cause God to stumble?
or is he testing Him to determine what the nature of the Messiah really is?
i think it wasn't until Christ went with the soldiers at Gethsemane ((after they got up off the ground from being laid flat by a word from His mouth)) that Satan-Judas understood. i think his intention was to trap Christ into slaying all the guards and starting a physical revolution, because by that time he had sorted out that He wasn't there to bring in an earthly kingdom. so he wanted to force His hand. i don't think he expected Christ to offer Himself willingly to the cross, and that when He did that, Satan-Judas was in a fit, and tried to undo what had been set in motion by throwing back the 30 pieces of silver. this didn't work so he set on attacking the church. as though he had intended to usurp the role of the 'good shepherd' of Zechariah's prophecy ((taking the price)) but being confounded threw it back and took up his inevitable role as the idol shepherd, as he had in the garden at first, not able to stand against God, instead deceiving God's people in order to attack the name of God before all the angels.
he had said 'I will be like the Most High' not 'I will overthrow the Most High'

Well yes this proves the child born was immanual God

it does not prove Jesus left heaven and entered the baby while it was in the womb.

it shows that the same that was born of her is the Son of God, so from birth. you're right that the argument that it is the Son of God 'from conception' is only by extension, not specifically said

 

[eternally-gratefull]

i dunno man if he knew it was God would he be testing Him? isn't Satan smart enough to know he can't cause God to stumble?
or is he testing Him to determine what the nature of the Messiah really is?
i think it wasn't until Christ went with the soldiers at Gethsemane ((after they got up off the ground from being laid flat by a word from His mouth)) that Satan-Judas understood. i think his intention was to trap Christ into slaying all the guards and starting a physical revolution, because by that time he had sorted out that He wasn't there to bring in an earthly kingdom. so he wanted to force His hand. i don't think he expected Christ to offer Himself willingly to the cross, and that when He did that, Satan-Judas was in a fit, and tried to undo what had been set in motion by throwing back the 30 pieces of silver. this didn't work so he set on attacking the church. as though he had intended to usurp the role of the 'good shepherd' of Zechariah's prophecy ((taking the price)) but being confounded threw it back and took up his inevitable role as the idol shepherd, as he had in the garden at first, not able to stand against God, instead deceiving God's people in order to attack the name of God before all the angels.
he had said 'I will be like the Most High' not 'I will overthrow the Most High'

he test him because he knew if he could get him to fall, he would win. or at least that was his motive

he also knew Jesus left his essence aside, he did all his work via the HS. Meaning he still suffered human sufferings and pain and hunger

if Jesus came down with all his attributed, Satan would have known, and would never have tempted him

it shows that the same that was born of her is the Son of God, so from birth. you're right that the argument that it is the Son of God 'from conception' is only by extension, not specifically said

yes, this was my point, amen

her claim is that Mary had to be sinless/totally washed of all sin or whatever to be able to carry the child

 

[John146]

I have high Res pictures of both of my daughters sons while they were in her womb

they were her children

yet at that time, they had no soul

So no,this passage does not prove her point, her child was born, at BIRTH he was made lower than the angels. Not at conception

Then do you support abortion because without a soul, the child is not a living being? The soul is the inner man, it is who we are. Our souls are discussing this topic. It is what will live for eternity.

 

[rhern]

A major part of Christians in the U.S. base there belief in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.

Their whole premise and doctrinal belief is in the 2nd chapter of Acts:

The Day of Pentecost.

I dare say 99% of American churches teach this, endlessly.

So are they Jews or members of the Body Of Christ?

Acts 3:25 says these are the Jews. ..

25 Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.

Their statement of Faith is John 3:16.

Ephesian 2:
11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;

12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

Romans 7:4
Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ

1 Corinthians 12:27
Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.

I am of the uncircumcised

They are blind to the Power of the Cross This is for me;

I thank God I am excepted in the Body of Christ.

Where do you want to be. You have a choice

It is so amazing How God foreknew and let everyone fall into their designated box.

 

[Guojing]

A major part of Christians in the U.S. base there belief in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.

Their whole premise and doctrinal belief is in the 2nd chapter of Acts:

The Day of Pentecost.

I dare say 99% of American churches teach this, endlessly.

So are they Jews or members of the Body Of Christ?

Acts 3:25 says these are the Jews. ..

25 Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.

Their statement of Faith is John 3:16.

Ephesian 2:
11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;

12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

Romans 7:4
Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ

1 Corinthians 12:27
Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.

I am of the uncircumcised

They are blind to the Power of the Cross This is for me;

I thank God I am excepted in the Body of Christ.

Where do you want to be. You have a choice

It is so amazing How God foreknew and let everyone fall into their designated box.

From my experience in exchanging such views, one main issue that made people resist what you are saying, is because they read Galatians 1 wrongly, they assume that Paul's double curse for "preaching another gospel" will also apply to Jesus and the 12 from Matthew-Acts.

Since they reason that that can never be correct, they will infer that it must have been the SAME gospel throughout the NT.

 

[rhern]

From my experience in exchanging such views, one main issue that made people resist what you are saying, is because they read Galatians 1 wrongly, they assume that Paul's double curse for "preaching another gospel" will also apply to Jesus and the 12 from Matthew-Acts.

Since they reason that that can never be correct, they will infer that it must have been the SAME gospel throughout the NT.

Have you tried posting this message? I know there will be resistance.

But I wanted to push this post but didn't know how to say it till now.

what do you think about the post?

Did I cover all I need to cover.

 

[Guojing]

Have you tried posting this message? I know there will be resistance.

But I wanted to push this post but didn't know how to say it till now.

what do you think about the post?

Did I cover all I need to cover.

Since you mentioned 2nd chapter of Acts, you are not a classical dispensationalist. Are you mid acts or acts 28?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

From my experience in exchanging such views, one main issue that made people resist what you are saying, is because they read Galatians 1 wrongly, they assume that Paul's double curse for "preaching another gospel" will also apply to Jesus and the 12 from Matthew-Acts.

Since they reason that that can never be correct, they will infer that it must have been the SAME gospel throughout the NT.

The gospel has been the same since Adam first sinned

whybwouod have have one group needing to earn salvation and another group who are just as guilty In Gods eyes recieving salvation by grace?

that makes no sense

 

[posthuman]

A major part of Christians in the U.S. base there belief in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.

Their whole premise and doctrinal belief is in the 2nd chapter of Acts:

The Day of Pentecost.

I dare say 99% of American churches teach this, endlessly.

So are they Jews or members of the Body Of Christ?

Acts 3:25 says these are the Jews. ..

25 Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.

Their statement of Faith is John 3:16.

Ephesian 2:
11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;

12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

Romans 7:4
Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ

1 Corinthians 12:27
Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.

I am of the uncircumcised

They are blind to the Power of the Cross This is for me;

I thank God I am excepted in the Body of Christ.

Where do you want to be. You have a choice

It is so amazing How God foreknew and let everyone fall into their designated box.

but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart,
in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God.
(Romans 2:29)

For we are the circumcision, who worship God in the Spirit,
rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh
(Philippians 3:3)

Therefore He who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you, does He do it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? — just as Abraham “believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham. And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, “In you all the nations shall be blessed.” So then those who are of faith are blessed with believing Abraham.
(Galatians 3:5-9)​

 

[posthuman]

From my experience in exchanging such views, one main issue that made people resist what you are saying, is because they read Galatians 1 wrongly, they assume that Paul's double curse for "preaching another gospel" will also apply to Jesus and the 12 from Matthew-Acts.

Since they reason that that can never be correct, they will infer that it must have been the SAME gospel throughout the NT.

please have a closer look at this:

Therefore He who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you, does He do it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? — just as Abraham “believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham. And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, “In you all the nations shall be blessed.” So then those who are of faith are blessed with believing Abraham.
(Galatians 3:5-9)
​

the very same gospel by which Gentiles are justified by faith ((not by works)) is the very same gospel preached to Abraham.

did Christ preach Abraham's gospel or another?

 

[Guojing]

The gospel has been the same since Adam first sinned

whybwouod have have one group needing to earn salvation and another group who are just as guilty In Gods eyes recieving salvation by grace?

that makes no sense

That is why I find it strange that you claim you are a dispensationalist, and yet you reject the basic concept of dispensationalism: that God deals with people differently at different times, regarding salvation.

Salvation is always by grace thru faith at all times I agree, but you show your faith in God by following what he commanded you to do, and that differs depending on the time period in question.

 

[Guojing]

please have a closer look at this:

Therefore He who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you, does He do it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? — just as Abraham “believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham. And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, “In you all the nations shall be blessed.” So then those who are of faith are blessed with believing Abraham. ​

(Galatians 3:5-9)​

​

the very same gospel by which Gentiles are justified by faith ((not by works)) is the very same gospel preached to Abraham.

did Christ preach Abraham's gospel or another?

Salvation is always by grace thru faith at all times I agree, but you show your faith in God by following what he commanded you to do, and that differs depending on the time period in question.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

That is why I find it strange that you claim you are a dispensationalist, and yet you reject the basic concept of dispensationalism: that God deals with people differently at different times, regarding salvation.

Salvation is always by grace thru faith at all times I agree, but you show your faith in God by following what he commanded you to do, and that differs depending on the time period in question.

It is not the basic concept of dispensationalsim,

a very small group of people believe in the different gospel view.

thats the problem you get when you place everyone in a bubble and say because you believe this you MUST believe that

dispensationalism is not about different gospels. It is about different periods (dispensations) of time,

think of it as an excel spreadsheet, or a bullied paper where different time periods and events and situation which occurred on that time are each put on a different bullets or positions to show that in different times things were different.

 

[Guojing]

It is not the basic concept of dispensationalsim,

a very small group of people believe in the different gospel view.

thats the problem you get when you place everyone in a bubble and say because you believe this you MUST believe that

dispensationalism is not about different gospels. It is about different periods (dispensations) of time,

think of it as an excel spreadsheet, or a bullied paper where different time periods and events and situation which occurred on that time are each put on a different bullets or positions to show that in different times things were different.

So if you do agree that "dispensationalism is about different periods (dispensations) of time", what exactly do you regard as different in those different periods of time?

And Mid-Acts dispensationalists, those that distinguish between prophecy and mystery, are now more than just a "a very small group of people", don't you think? If you are indeed one, I will consider you an Acts 2 or classical dispensationalist.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

So if you do agree that "dispensationalism is about different periods (dispensations) of time", what exactly do you regard as different in those different periods of time?

And Mid-Acts dispensationalists, those that distinguish between prophecy and mystery, are now more than just a "a very small group of people", don't you think? If you are indeed one, I will consider you an Acts 2 or classical dispensationalist.

I never heard of mid acts until I came here so please stop using that term it means nothing to me

Take the age of innocence. What was different about that time than today (age of grace) (not Concerning salvation)