The Times of the Gentiles

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eternally-gratefull

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Babylon is a symbol of wickedness.
Babylon is Roman church and her leader is the pope, and the Roman prince will destroy her while the world mournes
 
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eternally-gratefull

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No, I was saved and believed just as you do.
Then why did you say I will never see because I a, not born again.

dude admit it,
 

Dino246

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I didn't say that. But many are deceived today.
Technically, you did not say that E-G is not born again. However, you very clearly implied it. Dismissing others is not dealing with their assertions; it is avoiding them. I could simply say you're unsaved and that's why you can't see past your faulty reasoning regarding the nature of Jews and Gentiles. Would you appreciate that, or would you resent it?
 
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Nope.

the Isreal,who is saved is all Isreal, Isreal who was blinded in part, of which God kept a remnant, those who are presently the enemy concerning the gospel. but believed according to the promises

Again, Rome 1 did not fulfill all prophecy concerning her
That's because you missed it.
 

Nehemiah6

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The times of the gentiles end when the world ends.
That is false. There is a wide gap between the Second Coming of Christ and the end of the world. It is at the Second Coming, and the establishment of the Millennium, that the times of the Gentiles are finished.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Here is an excerpt from a paper I did showing the final conclusions to the beast kingdom system spoken of by God in daniel and revelation

So we see from these two accounts, the following which is identical with the little horn and the beast.

1. A power of ten kingdoms will unite and form a kingdom which has come out of Rome (Dan 2: 41, Dan 7: 7, 24, Rev 17: 12-13)
2. A little horn, or beast, will come out from among these ten (Dan 7:8, Rev 17: 12)
3. Will gain control of the whole earth (Dan 7: 23, Rev 7: 7)
4. Will be given power for 3 ½ years (Dan 7: 25, Rev 13:5)
5. Will speak blasphemies (Dan 7: 25, Rev 13: 5)
6. Will make war with the saints of God, and given permission by God to do so (Dan 7: 21, Rev 13: 7)
7. God puts and end to his reign by defeating him (Dan 2: 45, Dan 7: 11, 22, 26, Rev 19: 20)
8. Will be cast into fire (Dan 7: 11, Rev 19: 20)

We can also find other things in these passages, and use other passages in scripture to show what is done by him, and when this will be.

In dan 2, we are told he will “intend to change times and laws” The Aramaic word for time can mean to make an agreement for a specific period of time. In Dan 9, we are told of a future prince of Rome who will confirm a covenant for 1 week. (time) In Rev, we are told this beast will change a law, for the first time in the history of the world, the worlds economy will be empowered by one man (can not buy or sell unless they have the mark of the beast)

In dan 7, we are told he will blaspheme the tabernacle, In dan 9, we are told he will commit the abomination of desolation, as also mentioned of as going to happen by Christ himself in matt 24, right before the great tribulation starts.

In all accounts, we are told he will be personally defeated by Christ himself, In matt 24 we are told why, Unless Christ himself comes. NO FLESH will survive this causes him to return to earth with his armies, and personally defeat the beast, putting an end to the “time or age of the Gentiles (see also romans 11)

And finally, in all accounts, After this defeat of the gentile kingdoms, Christ sets up his kingdom on earth, which will be an everlasting kingdom which will never be destroyed. We are told in rev, during this time, Satan will be bound for 1000 years. At the end, he will make one final attempt to defeat the lamb, but will be destroyed before it even gets off its feet, and then the heavenas and earth will be destroyed, and a new one established, after all evil is judged (great white throne) and all Gods children are given a new heaven and earth.

As I mentioned earlier. All of these accounts show a "prophetic gap" which is infered between the end of the 4th beast (rome) and the re-establishment of the beast in latter times. Here is the further proof I said I would show.

1. World dominion (over every tribe, language and nation) no world power up to this date has ever held dominion over every nation tribe and language
2. Holds power over worlds finances, again, no world power has ever held, nor have the ever held the capacity to hold power over the financial markets of the entire world so that he can say who is able to purchase or sell goods, meaning all forms of money (gold and silver, paper money, are made obsolite) in fact, until recently with the advent of computers has this even been possible
3. Military might with destructive power capable of destroying all life (flesh) on earth, Again, until the past 100 years, this was not even possible)
4. The restoration of the woman (Isreal) and the temple in Isreal. Rev tells us this world leader, and these events (which I just proved could not have even been possible until the past 100 years, and has not happened yet) would go after the woman (Isreal) but that she will be protected supernaturally By God, and causes him to turn after her offspring (the church) Thus Isreal would have to have been re-established as a nation. It also tells us he will blaspheme God and his tabernacle by commiting the abomination of desolation, Which means not only will the nation have to be re-established, but the temple rebuilt. OT
Scripture makes it clear, one day God will restor Isreal to her land and give life to it (dry bones) that during this time, there will be a time of Great troube (Jacobs trouble or great tribulation) such as never been seen before or after (will make AD70, WW2 and other great wars and tribulations look like a walk in the park) and God will use these events to put and end to the age of the gentiles, at which time, "All Isreal will be saved" as they repent and turn to their true God, and renounce all the false God they have been worshiping. Again, up until recent history, no nation has suffered total military defeat, her people spread throughout the world so no resemblance of them is found, and then been restored to her land, Isreal is the first nation in the history of mankind to have this happen (show me where the edomites, the hittites, the canaanites have been restored?)


since all of these events, until recent history, have been impossible to be fulfilled, or even have not been fulfilled yet. There had to have been a prophetic gap imposed on all these visions (which would include the vision and prophesy of Daniel 9 and his 70 weeks) which would prove, that dan 9 is NOT THE ONLY prophetic gap as seen in the visions and prophesies of Daniel.
 

PlainWord

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The times of the gentile is clear

God gave us what this time will be in his prophesies to daniel

1. It will consists of 4 entities (Babylon, media/persia, greece, Rome 1 and Rome 1)
2, during this time, gentiles will rule over Isreal and control jerusalem
3. god will allow this to continue for a period of time

4, this period will end with the return of Christ in glory, where he totoally Destroys the gentile kingdoms and set up his own kingdom where he rules both jew and gentile no matter where they are in the world
You mean like when the Roman forces surrounded then conquered Jerusalem in 70 AD using auxiliaries and cohorts from the Euphrates?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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You mean like when the Roman forces surrounded then conquered Jerusalem in 70 AD using auxiliaries and cohorts from the Euphrates?
Nope

like when every nation tribe and tongue of the world worship the beast, and he controls the finances of all people. And when everything else the beast will do

remember according to Dan 9. The people of a future prince destroy jerusalem. That prince has not arrived yet
 

TheDivineWatermark

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Dave-L said: The times of the gentiles end when the world ends.
That is false. There is a wide gap between the Second Coming of Christ and the end of the world. It is at the Second Coming, and the establishment of the Millennium, that the times of the Gentiles are finished.
Correct (that is false).

A lot of that misunderstanding stems from their incorrect view of the phrase "the end [singular] of the age [singular]" (the text does not state "the end of THE WORLD," where this phrase is found).

"The end [singular] of the age [singular]" aligns with the same time-period and point-in-time as Jesus' Second Coming to the earth Rev19 (and involves the specific, limited, future time-period that will lead UP TO that [i.e. the 7-yr trib]);

it refers to the age the disciples were standing in (when they [and Jesus] spoke of this) and speaking out from, and they correctly understood that "the age [singular] to come" (Matt12:32; what we call the MK age) would immediately follow "the end [singular] of the age [singular]"... but they (the disciples, at the time) were wholly unaware of the intervening time period (what is commonly called "the church age" aka "this present age [singular]"/"this present evil age [singular]" or the NOW ;) )
 
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Speaking of 70 AD and Jerusalem’s destruction, Jesus says; “And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.” Luke 21:24 (KJV 1900)


Many believe 1948 and the Jews moving into Palestine signaled an end to the times of the gentiles. But if we backtrack to the beginning of Israel and those traditionally called Jews, they began as gentiles. And became Abraham’s covenant seed through circumcision. In fact, none of Abraham’s covenant seed had his DNA, only Ishmael then.

So it was always circumcision the sign of the covenant and membership in the community that made one a “Jew”, not birth. If any born did not receive circumcision on their eighth day, they cut them off from the group and they remained a gentile. When Abraham excommunicated Ishmael, he became a gentile even though circumcised as his son.

So Jerusalem being trodden down by gentiles means everything you see today. Trodden down by the uncircumcised. When Jesus abolished circumcision on the cross, circumcision became obsolete and no longer made one a physical Jew or physical member of Israel. He excommunicated all unbelieving Jews. No longer were they Abraham’s covenant seed but gentiles with Jewish ethnicity.

And when Paul’s generation of before Calvary circumcised Jews died off, nothing remained to separate them from the gentiles. From then on they became gentiles by default.

Only the circumcised in heart, believers like Abraham and Paul remained biblical Israel into whom God grafted believing gentiles.

When do the times of the Gentiles end?

Jesus said: “Go ye therefore, and teach all nations [gentiles], baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.” Matthew 28:19–20 (KJV 1900)

Meaning the times of the gentiles including ethnic Jews remain until the end of the world. And from all Paul says “God will save all Israel, defined as believers in Christ.
Actually, I believe the Seed went back much further than Abraham, if we are tracing roots. It went back to the Garden of Eden. That said, the covenant seed did go through Abraham, but "In Isaac shall thy Seed be called." Isaac, through Jacob of course, are today's 12 tribes of Israel, but Ishmael became the head of the 12 Arab nations. You would think they would get along better; they are half-brothers!
 
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That is false. There is a wide gap between the Second Coming of Christ and the end of the world. It is at the Second Coming, and the establishment of the Millennium, that the times of the Gentiles are finished.
Jesus tells us to preach to all nations (gentiles) until the end of the world.
 
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#78
Technically, you did not say that E-G is not born again. However, you very clearly implied it. Dismissing others is not dealing with their assertions; it is avoiding them. I could simply say you're unsaved and that's why you can't see past your faulty reasoning regarding the nature of Jews and Gentiles. Would you appreciate that, or would you resent it?
Make what you want out of it. Jesus said it, I only repeated it.
“Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.” John 3:3 (KJV 1900)
 

Dino246

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The Hebrews became the Jews and Israel.
You are calling "Jews" those who were part of the household of the man whose descendants were later called "Jews". By that logic, my pagan ancestors' servants are "Christians" because I'm a Christian. Do you see the flaw in that reasoning?
 
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You are calling "Jews" those who were part of the household of the man whose descendants were later called "Jews". By that logic, my pagan ancestors' servants are "Christians" because I'm a Christian. Do you see the flaw in that reasoning?
Study the history of the Jews and this will make sense to you.