Are you completely Born again????

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watcher2013

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As you read the discussion....Jesus said..EXCEPT a man is BORN of WATER and spirit...he cannot enter the kingdom of God...
ITS BOTH not one..but BOTH WATER and spirit..
The question now, is what is BORN of WATER to you?
 

OneOfHis

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Jesus said..You MUST be born again..
jesus is talking about FUTURE..not the present situation..
MUST be..
Like the Son must be lifted up
Christ must suffer
The law must be fulfilled.

He is not talking of present situation of man...If you have 42 minutes..watch the video...
No need. The Holy spirit is my teacher and I see error in your false ideas which aren't in scripture already.
 

OneOfHis

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please expound..are you talking of amniotic fluid? if so. please read #20
Your silly pointing to a 40+ minute video of a false teaching didn't explain away the truth of the context. Born of water = born of flesh.
 

Jimbone

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Jesus said..You MUST be born again..
jesus is talking about FUTURE..not the present situation..
MUST be..
Like the Son must be lifted up
Christ must suffer
The law must be fulfilled.

He is not talking of present situation of man...If you have 42 minutes..watch the video...
But see we don't have to watch the video to know what you're saying right now is wrong. Being born again is an event, grant it, it happens different for each person, but being born again is a very real event when you see "your way" for the futile dung heap that it is and give it all up for Him, just hands in the air "I surrender all", quit. This is when you are forgiven and now because of Jesus taking your coming judgement on Himself, then by His grace and belief in Him, His sinless righteousness is applied to you, resurrecting your dead spirit to LIFE and reconciling it to the Father that loves us, indwelling us with His Spirit, giving us a heart of flesh to replace the stone and making us forever a new creature in Him. Now spiritually alive our eyes are open in a way impossible in the flesh alone. Now changed, we desire what He desires, and to love others in a way impossible in our fallen state. I'm going to go watch the video now to be fair and hear out what you're saying being born again is, but from your comments here, imo, you're off by a lot here.
 

Jimbone

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As you read the discussion....Jesus said..EXCEPT a man is BORN of WATER and spirit...he cannot enter the kingdom of God...
ITS BOTH not one..but BOTH WATER and spirit..
The question now, is what is BORN of WATER to you?
This is our birth, the birth of the flesh.
Notice the order here, what you're trying to suggest it says doesn't fit. You must be born of water and spirit, not spirit then water. Again being born of water is our fleshly birth.
 

watcher2013

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This is our birth, the birth of the flesh.
Notice the order here, what you're trying to suggest it says doesn't fit. You must be born of water and spirit, not spirit then water. Again being born of water is our fleshly birth.
Since you are going to watch the video...if you watch it till the end...then you will know the answer...
 

watcher2013

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Your silly pointing to a 40+ minute video of a false teaching didn't explain away the truth of the context. Born of water = born of flesh.
Nicodemus asked Jesus...
How can a man be born when he is old?
 

ForestGreenCook

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Is baptism required for salvation?
If you submit to baptism, then you are already delivered eternally, however. baptism doth also now deliver (save, but not eternally) us from a guilty conscience. 1 Pet 3:21.
 

OneOfHis

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Nicodemus asked Jesus...
How can a man be born when he is old?
But you think being dipped in water is being born of flesh.🤦‍♂️

Or born the first time.🤦‍♂


We are not born again, again.

We are born, again.
 

ForestGreenCook

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Jesus said..EXCEPT a man is Born of WATER and spirit...he cannot enter the kingdom of God...
Is it Born of spirit ONLY?
What to you is born of water?
what does it mean quickening by the holy spirit
The kingdom of God is one of the names of Christ's church. This scripture is not referencing eternal heaven, but has reference to Christ's church. Baptism is an entrance into Christ's church, as a part of his bride. Other names the scriptures use to designate his church are; The church of Christ, the church in the wilderness, the new Jerusalem, the church of the first born, Zion, Israel (Jacob/Israel, not the nation of Israel), the remnant, the few, etc.

To be quickened, means to bring to life. We are first born a natural life, from our mother's womb. And at sometime in our life, the elect of God are quickened to a new spiritual life, with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. This quickening event is explained in Eph 2.

Mankind is not quickened, because of them accepting spiritual things. At the time of their quickening, they were yet spiritually dead and unable to accept spiritual things, 1 Cor 2:14.
 

Jimbone

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Since you are going to watch the video...if you watch it till the end...then you will know the answer...
What's it called? I need the name of the video to watch on my phone. It's blocked on my computer.
 

ForestGreenCook

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Jesus said..EXCEPT a man is Born of WATER and spirit...he cannot enter the kingdom of God...
Is it Born of spirit ONLY?
What to you is born of water?
what does it mean quickening by the holy spirit
Being born of water is a part of regeneration. Titus 3:5, Not by works of righteousness (accepting) which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved (delivered) us, by the "washing" of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost.
 

watcher2013

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The kingdom of God is one of the names of Christ's church. This scripture is not referencing eternal heaven, but has reference to Christ's church. Baptism is an entrance into Christ's church, as a part of his bride. Other names the scriptures use to designate his church are; The church of Christ, the church in the wilderness, the new Jerusalem, the church of the first born, Zion, Israel (Jacob/Israel, not the nation of Israel), the remnant, the few, etc.

To be quickened, means to bring to life. We are first born a natural life, from our mother's womb. And at sometime in our life, the elect of God are quickened to a new spiritual life, with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. This quickening event is explained in Eph 2.

Mankind is not quickened, because of them accepting spiritual things. At the time of their quickening, they were yet spiritually dead and unable to accept spiritual things, 1 Cor 2:14.
While the church is growing...here paul said..
1Co 15:25 KJV For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

He must reign...future reign..kingdom
 

watcher2013

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Being born of water is a part of regeneration. Titus 3:5, Not by works of righteousness (accepting) which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved (delivered) us, by the "washing" of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost.
So what is it? Baptism?
 
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Your thread does not complete the Born again process..please watch the video then we can discuss

The video does not introduce the foundation of water (H20) baptism .Its a old testament ceremonial law a shadow fulfilled in Jesus, the Son of man. its foundation is found in the old testament. Aaron and His two sons were used to introduce it . Destroy the foundation. Then this new innovation used to self edify ones own self can have a foundation of its own. No sign gifts.