Christ is God

[Sackcloth-N-Ashes]

IMO what He laid aside was His glory

BINGO! 👍”Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had.”[John 17:5]

that said while I am not unwilling to have that discussion, it's not a discussion I want to have in this particular thread. I want this thread to be as focused as I can manage to keep it.

So just giving my opinion

As you wish my friend.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

IMO what He laid aside was His glory

that said while I am not unwilling to have that discussion, it's not a discussion I want to have in this particular thread. I want this thread to be as focused as I can manage to keep it.

So just giving my opinion

sorry bro!

 

[Alertandawake]

So for those who accept Christ is God, then who died on the cross? Because according to verses such as 1Tim 1:17 and 1Tim 6:16, God is Immortal. And a Immortal Being is not subject to death.

THis concept of Jesus being God-man, 100% God and 100% man that does not make any sense.

I break it down. God = Creator, man = creation

So those who believe Jesus is God, even though there is clear proof evidence that Jesus is a man (acts 2.22) , are you trying to say God is also a creation? So that we are all on the same page, as far as English language is concerned God= The Supreme Being. So in the garden of Gethsemane when Jesus is praying, to those who believe Jesus is God, are you trying to say God prayed to God? Are you saying God rejected his own prayer? Do you have any idea how this sounds?

Now if you insist that God became a man, we have a problem because according to what is mentioned in Malachi 3:6, God does not change. Now if you look on studybible info website, the word change in hebrew is H8138 which is shanah. THis word not only means change but can also mean transmute, and transmute can mean to change form, appearance or nature.

No matter what is said, at the end of the day, there is clear evidence, we have statements that is so explicitly clear and direct that Jesus himself admitted the father is greater, Jesus admitted The Father is the only true God, Jesus admitted he has a God, he prayed to his God, he did the will of his God.

If you insist on believing Christ is God, is Cyrus also God? Because in Isa 45.1 the word anointed is based on the Hebrew word H4899 which is mashiyach, which in English is Messiah.

 

[Dino246]

So for those who accept Christ is God, then who died on the cross? Because according to verses such as 1Tim 1:17 and 1Tim 6:16, God is Immortal. And a Immortal Being is not subject to death.

THis concept of Jesus being God-man, 100% God and 100% man that does not make any sense.

I would encourage you to consider Revelation 1:17-18.

 

[Alertandawake]

I have read book of revelation, don't recall how many times, but you know what if you want to believe Christ is God, God meaning The Supreme Being, you are free to believe that.

Just remember, Jesus admitted he has a God, he prayed to his God, and did the will of his God.

(KJV) Matt 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

An alternative word for power is authority (as in some translations). When you use reason and understanding, in order for someone to be given authority, the one giving the authority is in a position of power to do so.

SO, let us go by the concept of Jesus = God, God = The Supreme Being
.
If you are already the highest in authority, do you need to be given authority to do something? Think on that.

Jesus was given authority, therefore who gave him the authority? If you are given authority to do something, it means at some point in time you didn't have that authority in the first place.

Because if you believe Jesus = God, are you saying God, had to be given authority? Think for a moment, does this concept make any sense.

 

[Sackcloth-N-Ashes]

If the Christ is not God, then He is a created being. Then that makes Him no better than the angels, and in fact, the angels could have done the job He did. Sad day that many professing Christians stand opposed to the Christ.

 

[Alertandawake]

Sad day that many professing Christians stand opposed to the Christ.

And the ones who stand opposed to Christ, are the ones who contradict him with what he says. So who are the ones one contradict what Jesus says?

Jesus made it perfectly clear who the only true God is. I am not quoting verses that are ambiguous. These are explicit verses that are so clear as day, there is only one way the verses can be interpreted.

KJV
John 17:1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
John 17:2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

Who is the "thee" and "thou" referring to?

The "thee" here is referring to "The Father". The "thou" here is referring to "The Father"

The Father sent the Son.

So who is the only true God and who is the servant, or representative?

So as Jesus is looking up, and Jesus says "Father" who is he referring to? How much more clearer does it need to be?

KJV
Acts 3:25 Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.
Acts 3:26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.

Now the word "Son" is based on the greek word G3816 pais, but that word also means servant. And in some translations, for Acts 3.26, Jesus is referred to as a Servant.

KJV
John 13:16 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him.

So in the above reference, is the servant equal to his master, no he is not, is the servant the same as his master, no he is not.

So when Jesus says The Father is the only true God, and that means everyone else is excluded, who is the one group of people who disagrees and contradicts this clear direct statement?

 

[Sackcloth-N-Ashes]

And the ones who stand opposed to Christ, are the ones who contradict him with what he says. So who are the ones one contradict what Jesus says?

Jesus made it perfectly clear who the only true God is. I am not quoting verses that are ambiguous. These are explicit verses that are so clear as day, there is only one way the verses can be interpreted.

KJV
John 17:1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
John 17:2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

Who is the "thee" and "thou" referring to?

The "thee" here is referring to "The Father". The "thou" here is referring to "The Father"

The Father sent the Son.

So who is the only true God and who is the servant, or representative?

So as Jesus is looking up, and Jesus says "Father" who is he referring to? How much more clearer does it need to be?

KJV
Acts 3:25 Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.
Acts 3:26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.

Now the word "Son" is based on the greek word G3816 pais, but that word also means servant. And in some translations, for Acts 3.26, Jesus is referred to as a Servant.

KJV
John 13:16 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him.

So in the above reference, is the servant equal to his master, no he is not, is the servant the same as his master, no he is not.

So when Jesus says The Father is the only true God, and that means everyone else is excluded, who is the one group of people who disagrees and contradicts this clear direct statement?

Yes, the Father is God. But so are the Son and Holy Spirit. But impugn away.

 

[Noose]

If the Christ is not God, then He is a created being. Then that makes Him no better than the angels, and in fact, the angels could have done the job He did. Sad day that many professing Christians stand opposed to the Christ.

Heb 2:16For surely it is not the angels He helps, but the descendants of Abraham. 17For this reason He had to be made like His brothers in every way, so that He might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, in order to make atonementg for the sins of the people.

Q. What does it mean " He was made" and who made Him?

 

[Sackcloth-N-Ashes]

Heb 2:16For surely it is not the angels He helps, but the descendants of Abraham. 17For this reason He had to be made like His brothers in every way, so that He might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, in order to make atonementg for the sins of the people.

Q. What does it mean " He was made" and who made Him?

He was God who became man, seeing God could not die. This is speaking about Him being a man. It took a perfect sacrifice to appease God's wrath, but God the Son had to become a man to die.

 

[posthuman]

As you wish my friend.

sorry bro!

no offense! i made a new thread for the topic.

obviously anyone can discuss whatever they wish to, wherever. i don't want to try to stop that, i just, for my own part, want to stick to piling evidence after evidence in this thread of the divinity of Christ - so that it will be as useful as i can make it, to point people to it, when they deny Him.

so, not trying to impose my will on y'all, just explaining why i don't want to get involved in it right here.

 

[Sackcloth-N-Ashes]

no offense! i made a new thread for the topic.

obviously anyone can discuss whatever they wish to, wherever. i don't want to try to stop that, i just, for my own part, want to stick to piling evidence after evidence in this thread of the divinity of Christ - so that it will be as useful as i can make it, to point people to it, when they deny Him.

so, not trying to impose my will on y'all, just explaining why i don't want to get involved in it right here.

No need for us to derail your thread Brother. I am glad to talked us down.

 

[posthuman]

Heb 2:16For surely it is not the angels He helps, but the descendants of Abraham. 17For this reason He had to be made like His brothers in every way, so that He might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, in order to make atonementg for the sins of the people.

Q. What does it mean " He was made" and who made Him?

Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men.
(Philippians 2:5-7)
​

He is God; His substance is divine and He was in the form of God - equal with God without any injustice for Him to be so.

He made Himself of no reputation, taking on humanity; the form and likeness of a man.

it does not mean He was 'created' -- He is eternal, uncreated. all that was created was created through Him.
only one being fits that description

 

[posthuman]

Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men.
(Philippians 2:5-7)

"did not consider it robbery to be equal with God" ​

also translated,

"did not consider equality with God something to be grasped" ​

also,

"did not consider equality with God something to be used to His advantage" ​

-- to call Jesus God is not blasphemous, not mistakenly assigning glory
-- He does not need to strive for reaching equality with God; He does not need to cling to it: it is His immutable nature
-- His divinity is something obvious and axiomatic, yet He didn't come in this prerogative

 

[Sackcloth-N-Ashes]

​

Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men.​

(Philippians 2:5-7) ​

​

He is God; His substance is divine and He was in the form of God - equal with God without any injustice for Him to be so.

He made Himself of no reputation, taking on humanity; the form and likeness of a man.

it does not mean He was 'created' -- He is eternal, uncreated. all that was created was created through Him.
only one being fits that description

Look at all He gave up for ~ 33.5 years as a human. He was in the presence of His Father, Holy Spirit, angels, complete peace. He came to a world of sin, death, sickness, hunger, thirst. I still can not wrap this around my head that He had to do # 1 and # 2. Not being crude(thinking of God doing that boggles my mind ), but the Word of God, the Son of God, God the Son, the second Person in the triune Godhead, came to earth and became a man to die for His ppl.

 

[Sackcloth-N-Ashes]

"did not consider it robbery to be equal with God" ​

also translated,

"did not consider equality with God something to be grasped" ​

also,

"did not consider equality with God something to be used to His advantage" ​

-- to call Jesus God is not blasphemous, not mistakenly assigning glory
-- He does not need to strive for reaching equality with God; He does not need to cling to it: it is His immutable nature
-- His divinity is something obvious and axiomatic, yet He didn't come in this prerogative

The thing I worry about is these guys are saying that the Christ is NOT God, and that is blasphemous. To say the Christ is NOT God is to call Him a created being, and not God, as only God is without beginning or ending. Even after all the passages of vss shown to them, all the exegesis we've went through, they still keep their heads bowed under, ready to charge like a bull in a china shop.

They have been duly warned. Only God can open their eyes. Father, PLEASE open their eyes! In the name of Jesus, amen!

 

[posthuman]

Look at all He gave up for ~ 33.5 years as a human. He was in the presence of His Father, Holy Spirit, angels, complete peace. He came to a world of sin, death, sickness, hunger, thirst. I still can not wrap this around my head that He had to do # 1 and # 2. Not being crude(thinking of God doing that boggles my mind ), but the Word of God, the Son of God, God the Son, the second Person in the triune Godhead, came to earth and became a man to die for His ppl.

yes! amen

can't post this verse enough:

without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh
(1 Timothy 3:16)
​

a great mystery!
God manifest in the flesh!

this is not something simple, not something easy to comprehend, not something clearly understood by humankind.
it is a mystery -- a great one!
flesh and blood doesn't reveal it, but God Himself reveals it -- God reveals Himself

 

[eternally-gratefull]

no offense! i made a new thread for the topic.

obviously anyone can discuss whatever they wish to, wherever. i don't want to try to stop that, i just, for my own part, want to stick to piling evidence after evidence in this thread of the divinity of Christ - so that it will be as useful as i can make it, to point people to it, when they deny Him.

so, not trying to impose my will on y'all, just explaining why i don't want to get involved in it right here.

No problem bro

sadly thread get off topic to many times.thanks for keeping us in line

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I have read book of revelation, don't recall how many times, but you know what if you want to believe Christ is God, God meaning The Supreme Being, you are free to believe that.

Just remember, Jesus admitted he has a God, he prayed to his God, and did the will of his God.

(KJV) Matt 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

An alternative word for power is authority (as in some translations). When you use reason and understanding, in order for someone to be given authority, the one giving the authority is in a position of power to do so.

SO, let us go by the concept of Jesus = God, God = The Supreme Being
.
If you are already the highest in authority, do you need to be given authority to do something? Think on that.

Jesus was given authority, therefore who gave him the authority? If you are given authority to do something, it means at some point in time you didn't have that authority in the first place.

Because if you believe Jesus = God, are you saying God, had to be given authority? Think for a moment, does this concept make any sense.

This does not mean he is not God

God is a tithe not a name.

God can also have a chain of command,

 

[eternally-gratefull]

And the ones who stand opposed to Christ, are the ones who contradict him with what he says. So who are the ones one contradict what Jesus says?

Jesus made it perfectly clear who the only true God is. I am not quoting verses that are ambiguous. These are explicit verses that are so clear as day, there is only one way the verses can be interpreted.

KJV
John 17:1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
John 17:2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

Who is the "thee" and "thou" referring to?

The "thee" here is referring to "The Father". The "thou" here is referring to "The Father"

The Father sent the Son.

So who is the only true God and who is the servant, or representative?

So as Jesus is looking up, and Jesus says "Father" who is he referring to? How much more clearer does it need to be?

KJV
Acts 3:25 Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.
Acts 3:26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.

Now the word "Son" is based on the greek word G3816 pais, but that word also means servant. And in some translations, for Acts 3.26, Jesus is referred to as a Servant.

KJV
John 13:16 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him.

So in the above reference, is the servant equal to his master, no he is not, is the servant the same as his master, no he is not.

So when Jesus says The Father is the only true God, and that means everyone else is excluded, who is the one group of people who disagrees and contradicts this clear direct statement?

Yet you ignore the many other passages that declair he is God

either Jesus is confused. Or something in your thinking is wrong