Not By Works

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[eternally-gratefull]

Good morning to you sweet sister

 

[blue_ladybug]

Good morning to you sweet sister

 

[Elihoenai]

Wrong

You don't have the ability to understand Jesus it seems.🤔


Jesus is saying "THIS is the WORK OF GOD >YOU< believe in who HE sent"


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You are seeming less like a real person and more like a troll because of your serious blindness to what the verses you post mean.

This raises the all important question:

WHOM DO MEN SAY THAT I THE SON OF MAN AM?

Does Yeshua/Jesus practice the Law?

 

[Tellion]

I stopped saying I was baptist back when I was a baptist, because people would continue to say oh well you believe this then ( which was not true) so I would just say I was christians

i now go to non denominational church

as odd as this may seem, I had a Methodist friend who pointed out Paul's admonishment for claiming the teachings of one specific teacher in 1 Corinthians 3. I am the follower of Christ. I can of course point to creeds, but what other Christians need to know is that I am a brother and ally.

 

[Elihoenai]

God requires absolute 100% spotless perfection from birth till death, one sin and there is no amount of works that YOU can do which will cover those crimes against God.


On earth you can't murder then walk enough old ladies across the street to make up for it to a judge who dishes out justice.

It is the same but more grand before God who sees our thoughts and what we do in secret.


The only way to be justified (every single moment) before God is to have the righteousness of CHRIST BY Him IMPUTING it to us.

This is what God does for all who believe. Then we are born again, made new and kept by HIS power.


Your false religion worships vain works and man to save you....



The truth gives ALL glory to God. (which is far different than the picture you paint)


@Elihoenai

Are you prepared to consider the possibility that 7.7 Billion people, including yourself, have been deceived by Satan/Devil with False Religious Worship and that we handful of people have Elohim's/God's True Religion?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

as odd as this may seem, I had a Methodist friend who pointed out Paul's admonishment for claiming the teachings of one specific teacher in 1 Corinthians 3. I am the follower of Christ. I can of course point to creeds, but what other Christians need to know is that I am a brother and ally.

That’s why I want to just discuss scripture not what denomination or doctrine others believe

If not, we get these thoughts that we know what others believe even when they don’t and our pride will not let us see otherwise, I know, I used to be the worst at this, it was sort of indoctrinated in me that this is what they believe and how we must fight it etc etc..

it was miserable thinking I was right and knew everyone better then they knew themselves..lol

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Are you prepared to consider the possibility that 7.7 Billion people, including yourself, have been deceived by Satan/Devil with False Religious Worship and that we handful of people have Elohim's/God's True Religion?

Are you?

 

[Tellion]

Are you prepared to consider the possibility that 7.7 Billion people, including yourself, have been deceived by Satan/Devil with False Religious Worship and that we handful of people have Elohim's/God's True Religion?

You really expect me to believe you're going to present your own righteousness to God and get in on those laurels? 😂

 

[gb9]

Are you prepared to consider the possibility that 7.7 Billion people, including yourself, have been deceived by Satan/Devil with False Religious Worship and that we handful of people have Elohim's/God's True Religion?

and what is the true religion?

 

[OneOfHis]

Are you prepared to consider the possibility that 7.7 Billion people, including yourself, have been deceived by Satan/Devil with False Religious Worship and that we handful of people have Elohim's/God's True Religion?

You're silly.

You have already shown to have no clue what verses are saying in context. It feels like you are just making up a story as you go along to people who are well read in scripture and know what's being said, who it is being said to and why it is being said.


Your word games and attempts to sound wise (or even correct for that matter) have fallen flat.


You need to learn before you teach and using words from a language you wouldn't understand if it was spoken right next to you doesn't mean you're ready to act as if you hold some sort of hidden truth or authority.🤦‍♂️

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You really expect me to believe you're going to present your own righteousness to God and get in on those laurels? 😂

it amazes me how some people think they will be able to stand before almighty God based on how good they are. Oh how satan can blind us to our own sinfulness

 

[Elihoenai]

This is you.

You are blind and are currently functioning as a wolf trying to devour Gods sheep. (thankfully we have have a shepard who keeps us safe and you are one sad excuse for a wolf with no teeth or muscle)

Essentially there are three types of people:

1) Elohim's/God's people feeding and caring for the sheep.
2) Satanist wolves whose very existence is to ensure Devil Worship and thus the non existence of Elohim's/God's sheep.
3) The many Billions deceived by the Chief Wolves of Satan/Devil, who are deluded into believing that they are in the truth and are actually devouring Elohim's/God's sheep by proxy.

Can you think of any other types of people?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Essentially there are three types of people:

1) Elohim's/God's people feeding and caring for the sheep.
2) Satanist wolves whose very existence is to ensure Devil Worship and thus the non existence of Elohim's/God's sheep.
3) The many Billions deceived by the Chief Wolves of Satan/Devil, who are deluded into believing that they are in the truth and are actually devouring Elohim's/God's sheep by proxy.

Can you think of any other types of people?

4. People like you who think they are Elohim's people. based on how good they think they are. while all the while ignoring the law. whivh says if you break one command, Your guilty, and as a result. under the curse of the law.

 

[Elihoenai]

If you are working for salvation then your foundation is definitely not Jesus.

And yes works can demonstrate faith to support one's testimony before men......however saving is always apart from works.

Unless you work, you will never see or obtain Salvation. What do you understand Works to mean?

 

[OneOfHis]

Essentially there are three types of people:

1) Elohim's/God's people feeding and caring for the sheep.
2) Satanist wolves whose very existence is to ensure Devil Worship and thus the non existence of Elohim's/God's sheep.
3) The many Billions deceived by the Chief Wolves of Satan/Devil, who are deluded into believing that they are in the truth and are actually devouring Elohim's/God's sheep by proxy.

Can you think of any other types of people?

No games.


So far you have made multiple false claims.

These will be first addressed, then we can dance around new topics after the old ones are accounted for.



1. You made a false claim sex IN MARRIAGE if not for the cause of CHILD BIRTH is sin.

This is false and a sort of fleshly bondage that comes from false understandings.

You can't hold on to that sort of garbage.


2. You claim verses implied works are REQUIRED for salvation when those very verses said the OPPOSITE entirely.


3. You cherry picked one verse speaking of how children of God demonstrate love BEFORE MAN and claim it is what justifies MAN BEFORE GOD.


Then when you were shown your error you play games.


I am not interested in the games.


Admit your error or address the scriptures and commentary I used to destroy your false teachings.




I love discussion, but with those who love the truth and want to learn.
Or those with sound doctrine who are gifted to teach.

You want to TEACH but you are using a false gospel, I will not beat around the bush with you. You need to see your error but more importantly change your mindset.

You have much to learn and need to stop acting as if you know something "7.7 billion" people don't.

 

[gb9]

Unless you work, you will never see or obtain Salvation. What do you understand Works to mean?

perhaps you could explain what the true religion is??

 

[Elihoenai]

That is hilarious coming from you wben you just STATED WORKS ARE NECESSARY FOR SALVATION WHILE QUOTING A SCRIPTURE that states NOT IF WORKS LEST ANY MAN SHOULD BOAST........

Lay off the juice pal before you post!

2 Timothy 3:16 King James Version (KJV)

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:


It is impossible to understand the Greek Scriptures/New Testament in isolation from the Hebrew Scriptures/Old Testament. The Scriptures/Bible is a Unified Whole!

You must get the Inspiration of Elohim/God.

 

[EleventhHour]

Unless you work, you will never see or obtain Salvation. What do you understand Works to mean?

I gave you scripture states the exact opposite.

Work --- Human effort

Salvation is a gift it cannot be earned

 

[Elihoenai]

You landed on a thread that is PLUM FULL OF OSAS GENUINE BELIEVERS, who are capable of defending their beliefs with the SCRIPTURE that Supports OSAS. So you may want to go peddle your works righteousness so-called beliefs ELSEWHERE. BUT before you go, we BELIEVE the FOLLOWING VERSES Literally, and PAY CLOSE attention to the FIRST Scripture on the LIST:


2 Timothy 1:9 (HCSB)
9 He has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began.


Titus 3:5-7 (HCSB)
5 He saved us — not by works of righteousness that we had done, but according to His mercy, through the washing of regeneration and renewal by the Holy Spirit.
6 He poured out this ⌊Spirit⌋ on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior,
7 so that having been justified by His grace, we may become heirs with the hope of eternal life.

Romans 4:3-5 (NET)
3 For what does the scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness."
4 Now to the one who works, his pay is not credited due to grace but due to obligation.
5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous,
his faith is credited as righteousness.

Ephesians 4:30 (NKJV)
30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God,
by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. {🡸 There is a major OSAS VERSE!}

Ephesians 2:4-5 (HCSB)
4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love that He had for us,
5 made us alive with the Messiah even though we were dead in trespasses. You are saved by grace!

Ephesians 2:8-9 (NJB)
8 Because it is by grace that you have been saved, through faith; not by anything of your own, but by a gift from God;
9 not by anything that you have done, so that nobody can claim the credit.

Romans 5:8-11 (HCSB)
8 But God proves His own love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us!
9 Much more then, since we have now been declared righteous by His blood, we will be saved through Him from wrath.
10 For if, while we were enemies, we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, ⌊then how⌋ much more, having been reconciled, will we be saved by His life!
11 And not only that, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ. We have now received this reconciliation through Him.

1 Corinthians 15:10 (HCSB)
10 But by God’s grace I am what I am, and His grace toward me was not ineffective. However, I worked more than any of them, yet not I, but God’s grace that was with me.

1 Peter 1:3-5 (HCSB)
3 Praise the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. According to His great mercy, He has given us a new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead
4 and into an inheritance that is imperishable, uncorrupted, and unfading, kept in heaven for you.
5 You are being protected by God’s power through faith for a salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time.

Romans 11:6 (NASB)
6 But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace.

Philippians 1:6 (HCSB)
6 I am sure of this, that He who started a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.

2 Corinthians 3:5 (HCSB)
5 ⌊It is⌋ not that we are competent in ourselves to consider anything as coming from ourselves,
but our competence is from God.

Philippians 2:13 (HCSB)
13 For it is God who is working in you, ⌊enabling you⌋ both to desire and to work out His good purpose.

Ephesians 1:11-14 (HCSB)
11 We have also received an inheritance in Him, predestined according to the purpose of the One who works out everything in agreement with the decision of His will,
12 so that we who had already put our hope in the Messiah might bring praise to His glory.
13 When you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and when you believed in Him
[Long before you can do your first work, so Obedience is Part of your Agape Love, that you do after you are SAVED.],
you were also sealed with the promised Holy Spirit.
14 He is the down payment of our inheritance, for the redemption of the possession, to the praise of His glory.

2 Timothy 2:19 (ESV)
19 But God’s firm foundation stands, bearing this seal: “The Lord knows those who are his,” and, “Let everyone who names the name of the Lord depart from iniquity.”

John 10:27-28 (HCSB)
27 My sheep hear My voice, I know them, and they follow Me.
28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish—ever! No one will snatch them out of My hand.

2 John 1:2 (HCSB)
2 because of the truth that remains in us and will be with us forever.

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We teach that Obedience has NEVER been part of Salvation, HOWEVER,
Obedience is something we want to do as part of Our AGAPE LOVE, Rom. 5:5.


John 14:15 (HCSB)
15 “If you love Me [Born Again], you will keep My commands.

1 John 5:3 (HCSB)
3 For this is what love for God is: to keep His commands. Now His commands are not a burden,


Only Obedience that is done out of Agape LOVE, is accepted by GOD. Those deeds have NOTHING to do with SALVATION or maintaining it. They have to be strictly because we LOVE HIM, OR they are nothing by wood, hay, or stubble at best, OR just Filthy Rags at worst.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 King James Version (KJV)

9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.