If we are going to keep the SABBATH the 7th day, in HEAVEN, Why are not people keeping it now ???

[mailmandan]

You speak amiss in regards to Ellen White. But what you say of the SDA Hospitals is a truth in which they shall be Judged

Do you defend Ellen G White? When researching her online, it doesn't take long to find information about her in regards to failed prophecies and plagiarism. Joseph Smith Jr (founder of Mormonism) was also found guilty of failed prophecies and plagiarism.

https://www.exadventist.com/Home/Prophet/tabid/55/Default.aspx
https://www.nonsda.org/study10.shtml
https://www.bible.ca/7-prophecy-blunders.htm

 

[mailmandan]

Sin is braking GODs laws, If GOD finds us SINNERS when HE comes, The wages of sin is death,

Romans 3:23 - All have sinned and come short of the glory of God. Romans 6:23 - For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord (and not through law keeping. See chapters 3 and 4 of Romans).

4 if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
But a certain fearful looking looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

In Hebrews 10:26, To "sin willfully" in the Greek carries the idea of deliberate intention that is habitual, which stems from rejecting Christ deliberately. This is continuous action, a matter of PRACTICE. (Also see Galatians 5:19-21) Now we don't walk along our daily life and "accidentally" fall into a pit called sin. We exercise our will but, the use of the participle clearly shows continuous action, which is willful and habitual. (No repentance, no goal or effort to stop, just bring on the sin!) The unrighteous practice sin (1 Corinthians 6:9-10; Galatians 5:19-21); not the righteous, who are born of God (1 Corinthians 6:11; 1 John 3:9).

GOD is not GOING to lie for ME or you. If HE comes on US as a thief, AND we are comitting SIN, AND we know it, WE will be LOST,
GOD bless as HE sees fit

Do you claim to live a sinless, without fault or defect, flawless, absolute perfect life (exactly as Jesus lived) 100% of the time? If you were standing at the gates of heaven right now and Jesus Christ asked you why He should let you into heaven, what would be your exact answer? Because you obeyed the 10 commandments flawlessly?

 

[bud62]

Only bad people, not saved, need the Ten Commandments. Good saved people do not need them.

If we didn't need them HE Wouldn't be writing them on our hearts,
1 cor7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of GOD.

 

[UnitedWithChrist]

So again I ask you what denomination are you associated with? Did you by chance vote for Donald Trump or did you take the high road and vote for someone closer to being a real Christian with Christian values?

I didn't vote due because I was in a rehabilitation center following a severe auto accident.

My doctrinal position is Reformed Baptist. I attend a church that is not affiliated with any denomination. The pastor is Reformed Baptist. I attended a church that was EFCA for a long time before that, and I have no general problem with their doctrines.

Have you answered me regarding your affiliation?

And, if you care about morality, and are Seventh Day Adventist, why? My position would be that they are immoral due to their stance on abortion. I can guarantee you I didn't vote for Ben Carson, for the same reason I didn't vote for Mitt Romney; due to cultic affiliations. I would vote for a Roman Catholic before Carson, because at least they know abortion is murder.

Well..actually Carson knows abortion is murder. He has addressed the fact pubicly that he does not agree with the SDA organization on that. I still wouldn't vote for him. Never can tell when some modern SDA might start claiming he is their new prophet.

 

[UnitedWithChrist]

When Abram was called biy our Father to leave his country and kindredd in order to inherit the nations, what was then mankind had gone away from God and worshipig Him. Does sthis not shout that mn, in this instance Abram, maintained an oral tradition? If not, I nor antyone cannot help you to understand from that moment in our history.

By the way it is not the oral traditions of Israel only but of all who are children of Abraham, that is to say, all who believe God.

Sola scriptura, baby.

Any claim to other authoritative revelation is false, whether Jewish oral law, Roman Catholic oral traditions, or some other oral tradition.

 

[UnitedWithChrist]

You speak amiss in regards to Ellen White. But what you say of the SDA Hospitals is a truth in which they shall be Judged

What do you claim I have said regarding Ellen White which is untrue?

 

[UnitedWithChrist]

You seem to have a serious spiritual problem with passing judgement on others that you may not agree with. Seriously, at least get the plank out of your own eye first. Unreal.

I'm not passing judgment on them, because I don't know their spiritual state. I don't know whether they repented at the last minute, either. However I'm on a forum where there are individuals with the agenda to prove evangelical Christianity is false, amongst other things, and spreading misinformation.

Maybe in your postmodern view, I shouldn't be doing that. Tough

 

[mailmandan]

If we didn't need them HE Wouldn't be writing them on our hearts,
1 cor7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of GOD.

What do YOU believes it means to "keep" the commandments of God and do you believe that will be the basis or means by which you obtain eternal life?

 

[UnitedWithChrist]

What is your fascination about SDA? Are you a former disgruntled member of that denomination? If not, what denomination do you belong to and is it perfect in everyway in doctrine and practice? I read somewhere in the bible that our body is supposed to be a temple to the Lord. I guess that SDA takes this seriously and for that they are ridiculed. What other denominations do you pass judgement on because they don't meet your standards?

Do you realize what SDAs teach?

Their church is the true church.

They may acknowledge that others are Christians, but in essence, they are "other sheep". They aren't the true church.

And, Sunday observance places one under the Mark of the Beast. They believe that Sunday observers will eventually hunt them down and attempt to get them to abandon the Sabbath after a Sunday Law is enacted.

I have never been associated with them. I am an Armstrongite, though, and they got much of their false doctrines from the Seventh Day Adventists. Sabbathkeepers of almost all stripes share some common claims as a result.

By the way, I know the agenda of SDAs is to convert people to their religion....one of the SDAs on the forum openly told me so..he was a friend of mine. At one point, he bragged about the number of folks he convinced concerning Sabbathkeeping.

 

[Dave-L]

If we didn't need them HE Wouldn't be writing them on our hearts,
1 cor7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of GOD.

He didn't. All people have the Two Great Commandments in their hearts. This is what sends them to hell. Only the Born Again have the full impact of them and love in their hearts will not let them live in sin. The TCs were for kidnappers, evil unbelievers and such.

 

[JaumeJ]

Sola scriptura, baby.

Any claim to other authoritative revelation is false, whether Jewish oral law, Roman Catholic oral traditions, or some other oral tradition.

That would be a RCC rendition , Latin , for only scripture which is contrary to the teaching within the Word. That is the written text kills; it is the Spirit wich gives life.

You cannot refute with scripture alone what I posted, however you may deny that people learn of God and have always learned of Him by the Holy Spirit. This is what believers follow and believe. Doing so is not in text although it is mentioned.

 

[bud62]

Only bad people, not saved, need the Ten Commandments. Good saved people do not need them.

If you Do away with the Commandments, What would you need JESUS for .With out the Commandments you couldn't commit Sin.
Jesus didn't come to save us in our sins. But to save us from our sins. Why do you think HE told us to repent of our sins? If we didn't haft to keep the commandment any more,
REV 14:12 Here is the patience of the saINTS; HERE ARE THEY THAT KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD. AND THE FAITH OF JESUS.

 

[Dave-L]

If you Do away with the Commandments, What would you need JESUS for .With out the Commandments you couldn't commit Sin.
Jesus didn't come to save us in our sins. But to save us from our sins. Why do you think HE told us to repent of our sins? If we didn't haft to keep the commandment any more,
REV 14:12 Here is the patience of the saINTS; HERE ARE THEY THAT KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD. AND THE FAITH OF JESUS.

Everyone has the Two Great Commandments in their hearts. It condemns them and sends them to hell. Why? because they know how they want to be treated but do not treat others in that way. The Ten Commandments were ONLY for Israel given at Sinai. Meanwhile the rest of the world perished because of the Law written on their heart.

 

[UnitedWithChrist]

That would be a RCC rendition , Latin , for only scripture which is contrary to the teaching within the Word. That is the written text kills; it is the Spirit wich gives life.

You cannot refute with scripture alone what I posted, however you may deny that people learn of God and have always learned of Him by the Holy Spirit. This is what believers follow and believe. Doing so is not in text although it is mentioned.

Scripture acknowledges no other authoritative body of writing OR oral tradition that can be identified.

The one verse that Roman Catholics use to "prove" their oral tradition cannot be used in that manner, because there is nothing to affirm it as true.

Same with any other oral law or tradition. If you claim something is a valid oral tradition, then the burden of proof is on you.

You cannot prove the oral traditions of Judaism or Roman Catholicism. Paul himself called such things "Jewish fables" and told Christians to disregard them.

 

[bud62]

He didn't. All people have the Two Great Commandments in their hearts. This is what sends them to hell. Only the Born Again have the full impact of them and love in their hearts will not let them live in sin. The TCs were for kidnappers, evil unbelievers and such.

REV 22:14 Blessed are they that do HIS commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city . This is what HE says about those out side the city, That are not keeping HIS commandments,
For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

 

[Dave-L]

REV 22:14 Blessed are they that do HIS commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city . This is what HE says about those out side the city, That are not keeping HIS commandments,
For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

Which Commands? You are reading your ideas into this = adding to Revelation.

 

[Grandpa]

Sin is braking GODs laws, If GOD finds us SINNERS when HE comes, The wages of sin is death,
4 if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
But a certain fearful looking looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
GOD is not GOING to lie for ME or you. If HE comes on US as a thief, AND we are comitting SIN, AND we know it, WE will be LOST,
GOD bless as HE sees fit

IF that is the case then there is no point in Christianity and we are all doomed.

Galatians 2:19-21
19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.
20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

Our Righteousness doesn't come from the law. It comes from Christ.

If you continue to work at the law, thinking that your righteousness comes from you, then you are lost. Because your righteousness will not make the grade.

 

[UnitedWithChrist]

REV 22:14 Blessed are they that do HIS commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city . This is what HE says about those out side the city, That are not keeping HIS commandments,
For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

Correct.

The error you make is that the commandments for the believer are the same as the commandments for ancient Israel.

Or, you limit the commandments to the Ten Commandments.

There are many commandments that the believer observes, because he is being conformed to the image of Christ.

It is YOUR claim that the Saturday Sabbath is included in these commandments that the righteous follow, and that they still apply today.

I have no more concern for the Sabbath than for physical circumcision, because days and diet are not part of the commandments for the NT believer.

Colossians 2:16-17 addresses the calendar issues, and other sections address the meat issue.

By the way, folks, SDAs consider drinking any alcohol whatsoever as sin. When I told one SDA that Jesus drank wine, he said that was a blasphemous claim. I found this ironic, since he was smoking cigarettes and died of lung cancer later. However, the SDAs basically told him that he would lose his salvation if he didn't quit smoking. Later he quit, when he was on oxygen and couldn't smoke anymore. So, I'm pretty sure he died thinking he was saved.

And, I have been told by SDA pastors that smokers are told they must quit or they will be disfellowshipped. Actually I think smoking is a sin, but I wouldn't disfellowship someone for it.

Anyways, to get back to the topic, realize that Sabbathkeepers view the word "commandments" with an emphasis on the Sabbath, rather than all of the teachings for the Christian under the New Covenant. Days and diet would be very important to them.

 

[bud62]

Everyone has the Two Great Commandments in their hearts. It condemns them and sends them to hell. Why? because they know how they want to be treated but do not treat others in that way. The Ten Commandments were ONLY for Israel given at Sinai. Meanwhile the rest of the world perished because of the Law written on their heart.

It was the sacrificial laws that was done away with not GODs Ten commandments. Jesus said that Heaven and earth would pass away
before one jot or one tittle of The LAW, AND Heaven and Earth is still HERE, AND SO IS HIS LAWS,YOU can say they have passed away if you want to, BUT you will still FACE them in the END, Then you will wish that you had kept them, With out a doubt, GOD dose not change and neither will HIS LAWS, IF they where right then, they are RIGHT NOW, GOD bless as HE sees fit

 

[Dave-L]

It was the sacrificial laws that was done away with not GODs Ten commandments. Jesus said that Heaven and earth would pass away
before one jot or one tittle of The LAW, AND Heaven and Earth is still HERE, AND SO IS HIS LAWS,YOU can say they have passed away if you want to, BUT you will still FACE them in the END, Then you will wish that you had kept them, With out a doubt, GOD dose not change and neither will HIS LAWS, IF they where right then, they are RIGHT NOW, GOD bless as HE sees fit

Jeremiah said the New Covenant replaced the Ten Commandments (Old Covenant). Jesus had to fulfill the Two Great Commandments, and thereby the Ten, on the cross before the world could end.