The Age of the Universe

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JamOn

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eternally-gratefull said:
I thought God created the heavens and the earth.

Are you limiting Gods power?
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Hmm i see you cap man in my statement, do you know what you just said, you said God was in man form when God created the heavens and earth. you need to think a little better caveman
 
Roughsoul1991

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JamOn said:
Yes it is huge,, andromeda Galaxy can be seen with the eye out beyond city lights if you know where to look, but it is about the same size as the Milky Way in the local group of three I like the latest photos of it from humble that shows a perspective of the size the Milky Way and no doubt the solar system is way smaller than a spec of dust


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Yes it absolutely mind boggling. With all the evidence pointing to the truth of scripture. The athiests are forced to believe theories that are extremely lacking in evidence like the multiverse, simulation hypothesis, panspermia or quantum theory. Many popular athiests run to these to try and explain away the Big Bang theory or fine tuning argument.

They hate it when science actually contradicts their worldview. I have brought this up on many athiests and then they revert to insults or other straw men arguments. Or science of the gaps argument basically saying they dont know but science any day could figure out the unknown which is very poor when the evidence is overwhelming to support a finite creation from nothing. Materialism answers will never work if matter came into being also.
 
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Roughsoul1991 said:
How does it trump what God said. God spoke and bam there was the universe.

As related to Moses about resting, I do not see what you are trying to prove? Sabbath rest is part of Gods command also.
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its related because Moses declare that the 7th day is a literal 24 hour day. and relates this to the same "day" that God rested from creation.

If this was not there. I could maybe say yeah, You might be right.

But since it is there, I can't

I do not accept the big bang theory. as you said. God spoke and it was there. He spoke for 6 literal days, as shown in Genesis taken with Moses words in Exodus concerning the sabaath.
 
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Hmm i see you cap man in my statement, do you know what you just said, you said God was in man form when God created the heavens and earth. you need to think a little better caveman
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Nope

Thats what you were trying to insinuate.
 
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Roughsoul1991 said:
Yes it absolutely mind boggling. With all the evidence pointing to the truth of scripture. The athiests are forced to believe theories that are extremely lacking in evidence like the multiverse, simulation hypothesis, panspermia or quantum theory. Many popular athiests run to these to try and explain away the Big Bang theory or fine tuning argument.

They hate it when science actually contradicts their worldview. I have brought this up on many athiests and then they revert to insults or other straw men arguments. Or science of the gaps argument basically saying they dont know but science any day could figure out the unknown which is very poor when the evidence is overwhelming to support a finite creation from nothing. Materialism answers will never work if matter came into being also.
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Yea your right, I’ve heard some say well there was elements floating around first then condense fused then boom. but no science says anything about where those elements came from there is no theory of endless elements there has to be a beginning to them also and that leads to nothing but God created the first elements
 
JamOn

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eternally-gratefull said:
Nope

Thats what you were trying to insinuate.
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Ok EG I may have misunderstood what you meant by the way you capped WHAT MAN and said

I thought God created the heavens and the earth.

Are you limiting Gods power?

Maybe I’m not that good at getting all the Astro projecting stuff sorry tell me what you meant I didn’t get the cap what man
 
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Ok EG I may have misunderstood what you meant by the way you capped WHAT MAN and said

I thought God created the heavens and the earth.

Are you limiting Gods power?

Maybe I’m not that good at getting all the Astro projecting stuff sorry tell me what you meant I didn’t get the cap what man
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You asked what man could do that
to me that was you saying could god do that basically saying god is no better than a man. Maybe I misunderstood you
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
You asked what man could do that
to me that was you saying could god do that basically saying god is no better than a man. Maybe I misunderstood you
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what I meant was scripture says God told the people to work 6 days according to earths cycles I don’t think that has anything to do with how old the universe is or with the days of creation.
 
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what I meant was scripture says God told the people to work 6 days according to earths cycles I don’t think that has anything to do with how old the universe is or with the days of creation.
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What god says is work for 6 days and rest on the 7th since this is exactly what he did

So we should take him at his word and not make him insinuate something else
sorry I misunderstood you
 
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What is limiting God's power, what has harmed the world as turning from the Lord harms the world, is blindly announcing that God thinks the world is 6,000 years old from the beginning, and it is not true of scripture at all. Scripture does not date the world as only being here when scripture started recording happenings, and when the week's work that God did in it started.

This idea that is false gave the devil reason to point his evil finger at the Lord. When you give power to this thought you are helping the devil.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
What god says is work for 6 days and rest on the 7th since this is exactly what he did

So we should take him at his word and not make him insinuate something else
sorry I misunderstood you
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God is always working, there are no souls lined up ready to born, of coarse He gave that example your body cannot work 24/7. the people of old didn’t understand billion or million now the scripture is better understanding in a more seasoned learning of creation.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
its related because Moses declare that the 7th day is a literal 24 hour day. and relates this to the same "day" that God rested from creation.

If this was not there. I could maybe say yeah, You might be right.

But since it is there, I can't

I do not accept the big bang theory. as you said. God spoke and it was there. He spoke for 6 literal days, as shown in Genesis taken with Moses words in Exodus concerning the sabaath.
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That was a commandment from God to have the 7th day as a rest day. Humans run on 24 hour days according to Earth rotation. Remember the Hebrew word for day has multiple interpretations.
How are you thinking that refers to the explanation in Hebrews 4 or that we still haven't seen the evening of the 7th day? The concept is God rested one day and it is wise we should too. The thing is, God is still at rest from creation until it is time to create the new Heaven and Earth. During the time between is the period of time he has ordained for people to respond. The rest will soon be over and a New Heaven and Earth will be established.
 
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JamOn said:
God is always working, there are no souls lined up ready to born, of coarse He gave that example your body cannot work 24/7. the people of old didn’t understand billion or million now the scripture is better understanding in a more seasoned learning of creation.
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You mean you've watered God's Word down until you can fit in with the world and to suit you , Right ? lolol
 
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bojack said:
You mean you've watered God's Word down until you can fit in with the world and to suit you , Right ? lolol
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If you like to believe that that is fine with me brother
 
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Roughsoul1991 said:
Yes it absolutely mind boggling. With all the evidence pointing to the truth of scripture. The athiests are forced to believe theories that are extremely lacking in evidence like the multiverse, simulation hypothesis, panspermia or quantum theory. Many popular athiests run to these to try and explain away the Big Bang theory or fine tuning argument.

They hate it when science actually contradicts their worldview. I have brought this up on many athiests and then they revert to insults or other straw men arguments. Or science of the gaps argument basically saying they dont know but science any day could figure out the unknown which is very poor when the evidence is overwhelming to support a finite creation from nothing. Materialism answers will never work if matter came into being also.
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And you're standing with one foot in with them .. mix ice cream with crap = crap
 
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JamOn said:
There was a big bad wolf came huffing and puffing, hehe excuse me silly me
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So give me a plus or minus in years of what you and Dawkins think the age of physical existence is ... I'd bet it's not close to what God tells us .. You two would hit it off like besties ..
 
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