Melchizedek

[JohnR7]

For a long time now I have been trying to understand Melchizedek. Now I find out that Melchizedek is talked about in the Book of Jasher and the Book of Enoch. We are told Melchizedek is the oldest son of Noah's oldest son. His priesthood goes back to Adam. The belief here is that Adam was a King and Priest. Now Paul's statement in Hebrews 7:17 starts to make sense: “You are a priest forever According to the order of Melchizedek.”

This also deals with what they call the oral tradition. When you have people saying that the Oral tradition goes back to Moses, some say Abraham and even others say the Oral tradition goes all the way back to Adam. If the Melchizedek priesthood goes back to Adam then the Oral tradition must go back to Adam also. Even though the Hasidic people believe that the Oral Tradition has been recorded or they are currently recording the Tradition to make it more easy for people to learn.

This is the best explanation we have. Based on books that were considered scripture in the past but are not currently considered to be scripture. We do not have a better explanation. In the Bible the priesthood only goes back to Aaron the brother of Moses. Rather then to go back to Adam. We are told that through Jesus we are able to receive back what Adam somehow managed to lose.

 

[Aerials1978]

For a long time now I have been trying to understand Melchizedek. Now I find out that Melchizedek is talked about in the Book of Jasher and the Book of Enoch. We are told Melchizedek is the oldest son of Noah's oldest son. His priesthood goes back to Adam. The belief here is that Adam was a King and Priest. Now Paul's statement in Hebrews 7:17 starts to make sense: “You are a priest forever According to the order of Melchizedek.”

This also deals with what they call the oral tradition. When you have people saying that the Oral tradition goes back to Moses, some say Abraham and even others say the Oral tradition goes all the way back to Adam. If the Melchizedek priesthood goes back to Adam then the Oral tradition must go back to Adam also. Even though the Hasidic people believe that the Oral Tradition has been recorded or they are currently recording the Tradition to make it more easy for people to learn.

This is the best explanation we have. Based on books that were considered scripture in the past but are not currently considered to be scripture. We do not have a better explanation. In the Bible the priesthood only goes back to Aaron the brother of Moses. Rather then to go back to Adam. We are told that through Jesus we are able to receive back what Adam somehow managed to lose.

Where did you get that priesthood went back to Adam? I thought Latter Day Saints taught that.

 

[FlyingDove]

Melchizedek. read verse 3

Heb 7:
1 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;

2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;

3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.
(NOTE: Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life

 

[SpiritDove05]

Melchizedek is a theophany of Christ, he has no beginning!! its Christ pre-incarnate!!

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

King of Right or Righteousness. Melchizedek is Jesus.

 

[JohnR7]

Where did you get that priesthood went back to Adam? I thought Latter Day Saints taught that.

I got this from a youtube video with Dwain Miller Ministries. He is associated with Perry Stone. The point was they get this information from the Book of Jasher and the Book of Enoch. These books are quoted in the Bible. For example Joshua 10:13 "Is not this written in the book of Jasher?"

 

[JaumeJ]

Melchizedek is the eternal order...

 

[Aerials1978]

I got this from a youtube video with Dwain Miller Ministries. He is associated with Perry Stone. The point was they get this information from the Book of Jasher and the Book of Enoch. These books are quoted in the Bible. For example Joshua 10:13 "Is not this written in the book of Jasher?"

The Apocrypha. James a quoted the book of Enoch. One of the reasons they were never officially canonized was due to their unreliability and somewhat contradictions to actual scripture.

 

[JohnR7]

The Apocrypha. James a quoted the book of Enoch. One of the reasons they were never officially canonized was due to their unreliability and somewhat contradictions to actual scripture.

Does it contradict scripture to say that Melchizedek is the oldest son of Noah's oldest son usually thought to be Shem.

 

[Aerials1978]

Does it contradict scripture to say that Melchizedek is the oldest son of Noah's oldest son usually thought to be Shem.

Isn’t that more part of the oral tradition(Talmud).

 

[Placid]

Hi JohnR7,


Quote from Post 1:
This is the best explanation we have. Based on books that were considered scripture in the past but are not currently considered to be scripture. We do not have a better explanation. In the Bible the priesthood only goes back to Aaron the brother of Moses. Rather then to go back to Adam. We are told that through Jesus we are able to receive back what Adam somehow managed to lose.

Response: --- Actually the info 'is' given in the Bible, and as you point out, ‘Books that were considered scripture in the past, are not currently considered to be scripture.’ --- Therefore, you can’t trust what they say, simply because they are not part of Scripture.

The first mention of Melchizedek is in Genesis 14:18 Then Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine; he was the priest of God Most High. 19 And he blessed him and said: “Blessed be Abram of God Most High, Possessor of heaven and earth; 20 And blessed be God Most High, Who has delivered your enemies into your hand.” And he gave him a tithe of all.
--- We learn some important things here. Melchizedek was the King of Salem, (the first mention of Jeru-Salem), and he was also the Priest of God Most High. So He had the two offices of King and Priest. He taught Abraham the Law, even to that of tithing, some 400 years before the law was given through Moses. --- It adds to the understanding of Melchizedek in Hebrews 7:1 For this Melchizedek, king of Salem, priest of the Most High God, who met Abraham returning, and blessed him, 2 to whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all, first being translated “king of righteousness,” and then also king of Salem, meaning “king of peace,” 3 without father, without mother, without genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but made like the Son of God, remains a priest continually.
--- So from this we learn that Melchizedek was a special appearance of a heavenly Being (like the Son of God, but not the Son of God), and not originating from this world. --- Not the incarnation of either Jesus or Christ, who again are two separate Beings, and not one Being, as is believed by most.
Blessings.

 

[garee]

Melchizedek is a theophany of Christ, he has no beginning!! its Christ pre-incarnate!!

Yes the time of reformation had come. The eternal priesthood after a theophany Melchizedek had come to the time that God promised a outward demonstration to mankind. (Isaiah 53) This when God would us flesh signified as sinful to perform a work of faith ,the unseen that in which the letter of the law (death) could not do bring new life . Corrupted flesh was required to do that in which the theophany could not perform condemn sin in the flesh ..the law of faith.

You could say. No flesh and blood. . no one time promised demonstration .No way to walk by faith other than as it is written . Not as it is seen the letter.

Romans 8:2-4 King James Version (KJV) For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
For what the law (the letter) could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

No life is attributted to the flesh .Jesus said of his own flesh it profits for nothing as a demonstrartion .It was the unseen work of the father working with Him that did propfit. Its like Peter said. To whom shall we go you have words of the father words of eternal life.

 

[Placid]

Hi,
The Scripture mentions, 'a new covenant with Jesus.' ---
--- This is mentioned in Hebrews 7 where it says that Jesus is a Priest ‘after the order of Melchizedek.’
7:20 And inasmuch as He was not made priest without an oath 21 (for they have become priests without an oath, but He with an oath by Him who said to Him:
“The Lord has sworn And will not relent, ‘You are a priest forever According to the order of Melchizedek’ ”), 22 by so much more Jesus has become a surety of 'a better covenant.' 23 Also there were many priests, because they were prevented by death from continuing. 24 But He, because He continues forever, has an unchangeable priesthood. 25 Therefore He is also able to save to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them.

But there is much more to this ‘covenant’ because it was decided in Isaiah 48:16 to send One from heaven to redeem mankind. --- It says in Hebrews 10:5 Therefore, when He (Christ) came into the world, He said: “Sacrifice and offering You did not desire, But a body You have prepared for Me. 6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin You had no pleasure.
7 Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come— In the volume of the book it is written of Me—To do Your will, O God.’ ”
8 Previously saying, “Sacrifice and offering, burnt offerings, and offerings for sin You did not desire, nor had pleasure in them” (which are offered according to the law), 9 then He said, “Behold, I have come to do Your will, O God.” He takes away the first (covenant) that He may establish the second. 10 By that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Blessings

 

[Placid]

To add a little more about the Priesthood.

It is interesting to note that Genesis 14:18 is the first place we find the word Priest in the KJ Bible, which refers to Melchizedek. Later in the Law, Priests were established as ‘God’s representative to the people, to offer the sacrifices on their behalf.’ --- Moses was their Prophet and Aaron was their Priest. When Israel got into idolatry then the Priesthood was corrupt and of no effect. --- God preserved a remnant in the 70 years of captivity in Babylon, Ezekiel and Daniel were Prophets during the captivity when the Jews had returned to Faith in God; before they were led back to Israel by Zerubbabel the Governor, and Ezra the Priest and Scribe. The history is detailed in the Book of Ezra. --- Israel was obedient for some years, but again became disobedient and the Priests were hypocrites as revealed in Malachi 1:8 And when you offer the blind as a sacrifice, Is it not evil? And when you offer the lame and sick, Is it not evil? Offer it then to your governor! Would he be pleased with you? Would he accept you favorably?” 13 “And you bring the stolen, the lame, and the sick; Thus you bring an offering! Should I accept this from your hand?” Says the Lord.
2:7 “For the lips of a priest should keep knowledge, and people should seek the law from his mouth; for he is the messenger of the Lord of hosts. 8 But you have departed from the way; you have caused many to stumble at the law. You have corrupted the covenant of Levi,” says the Lord of hosts. 9 “Therefore I also have made you contemptible and base before all the people, because you have not kept My ways."

--- So because the priesthood had failed, God again provided for the line of Priests in this way, in Zechariah 6:12 ‘Thus says the Lord of hosts, : “Behold, the Man whose name is the BRANCH! From His place He shall branch out, and He shall build the temple of the Lord; 13 Yes, He shall build the temple of the Lord. He shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule on His throne; so He shall be a priest on His throne, and the counsel of peace shall be between [d]them both.” (the Offices of King and Priest.)
--- The Name the BRANCH refers to Christ who was sent from heaven to redeem mankind. And He would ‘branch out’ to the Gentiles, He shall build the temple of the Lord, the Spiritual Church where believers are each ‘a temple of the Lord.’ Christ is the head of the Church, and He was both King and Priest from Zechariah till the crucifixion, when Jesus went to heaven, to be the new High Priest after the order of Melchizedek. --- New things to ponder relating to Melchizedek.
Blessings

 

[JohnR7]

Isn’t that more part of the oral tradition(Talmud).

Yes that is the Oral tradition that they are getting ready to teach to people during the tribulation period. When (IF) the Church is raptured out of here then the "Jewish" people will once again become God's witness and testimony. 144,000 or 12,000 from each tribe. Not everyone believe that there is going to be a pre trib rapture though.

 

[JohnR7]

--- The Name the BRANCH refers to Christ who was sent from heaven to redeem mankind. And He would ‘branch out’ to the Gentiles, He shall build the temple of the Lord, the Spiritual Church where believers are each ‘a temple of the Lord.’ Christ is the head of the Church, and He was both King and Priest from Zechariah till the crucifixion, when Jesus went to heaven, to be the new High Priest after the order of Melchizedek. --- New things to ponder relating to Melchizedek.
Blessings

Peter says we are living stones. (1Peter2:5) We read in 1Kings6:7 "The temple was constructed using finished stones cut at the quarry, so that no hammer, chisel, or any iron tool was heard in the temple while it was being built." This would indicate that God is working on us individually. We then become joined together after we have been formed and shaped. As God chisels off everything that does not belong on us.

 

[JohnR7]

Not the incarnation of either Jesus or Christ,

Some people believe that there was no preincarnation before He was revealed or conceived inside of Mary.

 

[JohnR7]

its Christ pre-incarnate!!

If Melchizedek is a descendant of Adam, then this was a literal pre-incarnate Christ. They would have shared the same DNA from Adam. Abraham was a descendant of Adam also. So Abraham and Melchizedek would be a close relation.

 

[MattforJesus]

For a long time now I have been trying to understand Melchizedek. Now I find out that Melchizedek is talked about in the Book of Jasher and the Book of Enoch. We are told Melchizedek is the oldest son of Noah's oldest son. His priesthood goes back to Adam. The belief here is that Adam was a King and Priest. Now Paul's statement in Hebrews 7:17 starts to make sense: “You are a priest forever According to the order of Melchizedek.”

This also deals with what they call the oral tradition. When you have people saying that the Oral tradition goes back to Moses, some say Abraham and even others say the Oral tradition goes all the way back to Adam. If the Melchizedek priesthood goes back to Adam then the Oral tradition must go back to Adam also. Even though the Hasidic people believe that the Oral Tradition has been recorded or they are currently recording the Tradition to make it more easy for people to learn.

This is the best explanation we have. Based on books that were considered scripture in the past but are not currently considered to be scripture. We do not have a better explanation. In the Bible the priesthood only goes back to Aaron the brother of Moses. Rather then to go back to Adam. We are told that through Jesus we are able to receive back what Adam somehow managed to lose.

Gen 18:1 And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day.
Gen 18:13 And the LORD said unto Abraham, Wherefore did Sarah laugh, saying, Shall I of a surety bear a child, which am old?
Gen 18:14 Is any thing too hard for the LORD? At the time appointed I will return unto thee, according to the time of life, and Sarah shall have a son.
Gen 18:22 And the men turned their faces from thence, and went toward Sodom: but Abraham stood yet before the LORD.
Gen 18:33 And the LORD went his way, as soon as he had left communing with Abraham: and Abraham returned unto his place.

God appeared to Abraham in a body made from the dust of the earth, and talked with Abraham.

Heb 7:1 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;
Heb 7:2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;
Heb 7:3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.
Heb 7:4 Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.

Melchizedek is a visible manifestation of God which the LORD showed Himself to Abraham.

Melchizedek is God in a body made from the dust of the earth, and talked with Abraham, for He was without father, without mother, without descent, having no beginning of days, and no end of life, but made like unto the Son of God.

Melchizedek is a visible manifestation of God in the flesh, and Jesus is a visible manifestation of God in the flesh, but Melchizedek is a visible manifestation of God made of the dust of the earth and went back to dust, and Jesus is a visible manifestation of God born of the virgin Mary and a permanent visible manifestation of God, for the throne in heaven is the throne of God and the Lamb, God in the glorified of the man Christ Jesus.

Melchizedek is the only person in that priesthood at that time of the Old Testament for He is God manifest in the flesh, and He has no mother, or father, for He was not born but God made Him a fleshy body, so the priesthood could of not went back to Adam if Melchizedek has no relatives according to the flesh, and was not born of parents.

Only Jesus is made after the order of Melchizedek, God in a fleshy body, and in that priesthood and no one else.

 

[Aerials1978]

Yes that is the Oral tradition that they are getting ready to teach to people during the tribulation period. When (IF) the Church is raptured out of here then the "Jewish" people will once again become God's witness and testimony. 144,000 or 12,000 from each tribe. Not everyone believe that there is going to be a pre trib rapture though.

Some believe God already took His elect in the 1st century. Have a discussion going on right now about that.