When does the millennium begin?

[garee]

It would really help if you would learn how to construct a coherent sentence. Do you realize that most people just ignore what you write, because most of it is so poorly written? If you think that you have something worthwhile to share, take the time to learn how to share it such that it will be both read and understood.

If you do not understand what a parable is as prophecy the signified tongue of God .Our new tongue for getting the gospel out as apostles . How could writing it more coherently help?

You have the word prophecy confused also . limiting it to foretelling. Many make that mistake when rightly dividing the gospel .( good news)

My interpretation is this: Paul is telling us that he is ready to preach the gospel to those in Rome. He is not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God unto salvation for everyone who believes, both Jew and Greek (gentile). In the gospel the righteousness of God is revealed: that the just shall live by faith.

By faith compared to faith or come along side (para)

Yes the just shall live by faith the unseen to the same faith unseen .

The just does not live by walking by sight after the literal understanding to the same what they eyes see. Like the faithless Jews below.

John 6:30They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?

Did Jesus perform the work for his own self edification.

John 4:48Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe.

There must be a comparison as comparing to. That way a person has something to mix according to the prescription for rightly dividing parable (2 Corinthians 4:18)

It would seem it the prescription that literalist stay away from and rather trust in what they call sign gifts walking by sight as if the kingdom did come by what the eyes see the temporal .

I don't. It discusses the gospel but makes no attempt to define it.

That's interesting is that because according to you parables are not prophecy? And sign gifts that come be comparing the things seen to the same is your way of interpreting ?.

What does faith to faith mean by looking at 1 Corinthians 2 .Is the gospel found in it? I would think it is by comparing spiritual things not seen with spiritual things not seen.

Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 1 Corinthians 2: 14

It doesn't compare anything. There is no parable in this passage. There is also no prophecy (foretelling) in this passage.


Who said anything about foretelling one of the functions of prophecy ? Parables reveal as they come along side of the literal. Its what mixing faith as to hearing the gospel is all about.

Hebrews 4 King James Version (KJV) Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

I didn't say there was anything about walking by sight. Of course, that's meaningless to you, because you don't actually read what I write, but merely skim it an launch into your irrelevant flights of figurative fancy.

Walking by sight is the opposite of walking by faith . No limbo in between . Faith or sight? Which master?

Roman 1 15-17 clearly defines the gospel from the unseen faith to unseen faith as the power to understand God. What portion of scripture best signifies the gospel news (gospel) if not Romans ?

2 Corinthians 5:7(For we walk by faith, not by sight

 

[UnitedWithChrist]

Knowledge is progressive. 2,000 years ago the day nor the hour were known. Now we are approaching the year 6000 from creation in a few years, which will also be 2,000 years since the anointing, so it's pretty obvious at this point that the plan of God all along is that the Mashiach will return in the year 6000, exactly as ancient texts say, "God made the works of his hands in 6 days, and he ended on the 7th day, and rested on it, and he set it apart. Give heed, children, what this means; He ended in 6 days. He means this, that in 6,000 years the Master shall bring all things to an end, for 1 day with him signifies a 1,000 years".

This view that there will be 6000 years of man's world, 1000 y

Hello UnitedWithChrist!

So .... my question would be, "what does your post have to do with the title which is "When does the millennium begin?"

Revelation reveals that the millennial period begins after the tribulation period (God's wrath) when the Lord returns to the earth to end the age. The timing is can also be deduced by the fact that no where in history have seen any of the characteristics that identify that age. Since that is the case, then it is still future.

Actually, it has nothing to do with it, except that most millennarians in the USA are dispensationalists, and dispensationalists deny that Jesus and the Church are True Israel.

 

[SoulWeaver]

I believe milennium refers to eternal rule of Christ. 1000 is imo a huge number simbolizing eternity and enduring. This isn't a very popular opinion on here. Main reason I believe so is the confusion of literal timetable interpretation with God loosing satan after a 1000 year reign, that I was simply never able to believe because it makes no sense to me. There are also some proofs on other places in Scriptures (Joel and Acts) that further demonstrated to me these prophecy events aren't linear in fulfillment. I apologize to people who believe differently.

 

[Dave-L]

The Millennium is a Pharisee Doctrine.

http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/10840-millennium

 

[r1xlx]

We are in the millennium. . . the last days. It began when Christ said it is finished . The time of reformation had come . The day or hour no man knows . The same with numbering people.

We walk by faith the unseen eternal not after the temporal things seen A thousand years is a metaphor that represents a unknow. Christ will come as a thief in the night on the last day

Psalm 90:4 For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.

Thousand years = A unknown unrevealed

Ecclesiastes 6:6 Yea, though he live a thousand years twice told, yet hath he seen no good: do not all go to one place?

Thousand years = A unknown unrevealed

2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.. . . . . (not a thousand years is one day) As denoted a parable as a comparison

Thousand years = A unknown unrevealed

we are not in the ,illennium as that starts wit Jesus ruling Earth. Satan is still ruling.

 

[r1xlx]

I believe milennium refers to eternal rule of Christ. 1000 is imo a huge number simbolizing eternity and enduring. This isn't a very popular opinion on here. Main reason I believe so is the confusion of literal timetable interpretation with God loosing satan after a 1000 year reign, that I was simply never able to believe because it makes no sense to me. There are also some proofs on other places in Scriptures (Joel and Acts) that further demonstrated to me these prophecy events aren't linear in fulfillment. I apologize to people who believe differently.

The millennium starts after jesus has returned at the height of the wars of Armageddon. The millennium lasts 1,000 years. During that timemany Rapturees will marry and produce chidlren but will also still larbour evil thoughts even if they do not put them into action.
At the end of the 1,000 years Satan and gang of angels is to be released to spend a little season trying to make the humans sin but all who join him will suddenly be destroyed leaving only Satan to languish in a lake of fire.
Just read your Bibles for goodness sake.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Here is when the millenium begins

Rev 19
11 Now I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war. 12 His eyes were like a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns. He [e]had a name written that no one knew except Himself. 13 He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God. 14 And the armies in heaven, clothed in [f]fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses. 15 Now out of His mouth goes a [g]sharp sword, that with it He should strike the nations. And He Himself will rule them with a rod of iron. He Himself treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. 16 And He has on His robe and on His thigh a name written:

KING OF KINGS AND
LORD OF LORDS.

The Beast and His Armies Defeated
17 Then I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the birds that fly in the midst of heaven, “Come and gather together for the [h]supper of the great God, 18 that you may eat the flesh of kings, the flesh of captains, the flesh of mighty men, the flesh of horses and of those who sit on them, and the flesh of all people, [i]free and slave, both small and great.”


19 And I saw the beast, the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army. 20 Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image. These two were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone. 21 And the rest were killed with the sword which proceeded from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse. And all the birds were filled with their flesh.

 

[blue_ladybug]

Actually we're already 20 years into the current millenium..

 

[r1xlx]

Actually we're already 20 years into the current millenium..

calendar millennium not GOD's.

 

[r1xlx]

This view that there will be 6000 years of man's world, 1000 y


Actually, it has nothing to do with it, except that most millennarians in the USA are dispensationalists, and dispensationalists deny that Jesus and the Church are True Israel.

I'm also inclined to believe Millennium will start on first day of years 6,000 as GOD works to a precise timetable.
I'm also inciined to believe that He gave Satan 6,000 years to try govern Earth.
However we have to realise that the Earth shattering Flood may have altered our years so that we can't be sure of exact date?
And of course GOD being merciful may have decided to allow a little extra time in this game we are playing between Christians and Satanists?

 

[UnitedWithChrist]

I'm also inclined to believe Millennium will start on first day of years 6,000 as GOD works to a precise timetable.
I'm also inciined to believe that He gave Satan 6,000 years to try govern Earth.
However we have to realise that the Earth shattering Flood may have altered our years so that we can't be sure of exact date?
And of course GOD being merciful may have decided to allow a little extra time in this game we are playing between Christians and Satanists?

Satan doesn't rule the earth. Ultimately, God is sovereign. Satan is like a dog on a leash. He can wreak havoc within the range of his leash, but not beyond it.

And, anything he does is at God's discretion and serves His ultimate purpose. For instance, when Job suffered, it served a purpose of humbling him and conforming him to the image of Christ. He became more aware of his need for God's grace.

In one sense, he is the "god of this age" but in an ultimate sense he is not, and dispensationalists give Satan too much glory. There is a balance somewhere here. Believers are to pray against the evil one, but in reality he is already defeated at the Cross, and God uses seeming disaster to further his purpose. God is in control.

By the way, I am amillennial, so I do not believe in the Millennium in the sense that dispensationalists believe in it. I believe that the period described by Revelation 20 is actually in the interval between Jesus' first and second advent. It will be followed by the eternal state. This is called amillennialism but I don't really care for that term.

If anyone wants to study the differences, I suggest these two videos. Most Christians don't even realize there are four dominant views within Christianity: amillennialism, postmillennialism, historic premilllennialism, and dispensational premillennialism.

Of the four, I hold dispensational premillennialism as the least credible view. I would hold amillennialism as the most credible, with the other two somewhere in between.

Due to the influence of dispensationalists, though, within conservative evangelical circles, they have the upper hand as far as numbers. However, one must realize this is due to the large number of Pentecostals and charismatics that hold the view. And, they don't hold it because they were educated on all four views, but because they "inherited" it from some pastor or trusted person who taught it to them by default.

Here are two, clear videos explaining the four views in detail (you can find the videos on Vimeo entitled Four Views of the Millennium Part 1 &2 by Bryan Chappell):

I think Bryan Chappell explains the different views in the best manner I've seen. He does not hold the view I hold (amillennialism) but I believe he is fair in his assessment.

 

[UnitedWithChrist]

By the way, I'm not convinced the earth is only 6000 years old, and there is no solid Scriptural proof on this. I don't think it's billions of years old, but I also don't think it is only 6000 years old. It could be 6,000 years old or it could be 10,000 years old or older.

The calculation of 7,000 years old comes from the assumption that the first six days is typological of man's reign, and the seventh day is typological of God's rule. In some ways I think it's credible, and in other ways I do not.

For instance, the calculation was originally made by someone who looked at geneology tables to derive this information, however we know that those geneology tables are compressed. For instance, a person listed in the table is a descendant of the person listed, but not necessarily his son. He could be his grandson or three generations removed.

So, I don't trust those calculations.

And, I don't believe in a literal Millennium, although the seventh day could be typological of the eternal state (New Heavens/New Earth), so I really don't have a strong objection to this view with appropriate modifications.

 

[r1xlx]

The millennium clearly starts when jesus returns and kicks Satan off his throne and into an abyss.
Have a read of this: https://activechristianity.org/what-does-the-bible-say-about-the-millennium

 

[blue_ladybug]

Please capitalize Jesus' name and lower-case satan's name..

 

[r1xlx]

I did upper case Jesus .

 

[Dave-L]

The millennium clearly starts when jesus returns and kicks Satan off his throne and into an abyss.
Have a read of this: https://activechristianity.org/what-does-the-bible-say-about-the-millennium

“But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you.” Luke 11:20 (KJV 1900)

“And when thy days [David] be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom.” 2 Samuel 7:12 (KJV 1900)

Jesus reigns from David's throne now, before David's resurrection on the last day. But only the born again can see it by faith.

“Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.” John 3:3 (KJV 1900)

 

[r1xlx]

Nonsense! Jesus is still waiting the command to Go to Earth!

 

[Dave-L]

Nonsense! Jesus is still waiting the command to Go to Earth!

That happens on the last day in the resurrection. He said his kingdom is not of this world. It is in heaven where he rules now.

 

[garee]

Hello UnitedWithChrist!

So .... my question would be, "what does your post have to do with the title which is "When does the millennium begin?"

Revelation reveals that the millennial period begins after the tribulation period (God's wrath) when the Lord returns to the earth to end the age. The timing is can also be deduced by the fact that no where in history have seen any of the characteristics that identify that age. Since that is the case, then it is still future.

If you do not know when the thousand years begins as a unknown .How would that be different than applying the signified language of Revelation 20 with the metaphor "thousand years" which clearly does represent a unknown? Not a exact number used with those who do number .and not walk by faith the unseen eternal

Psalm 90:4For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.

Ecclesiastes 6:6Yea, though he live a thousand years twice told, yet hath he seen no good: do not all go to one place?

2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

What greater tribulation could there be then the one of these lasts days other than the last day, the final ressurection. The letter of the law death the source of suffering cast it into the lake of fire never rise again and corrupt to death a entire creation

The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:Revelation 1:1 (KJV)

And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season. Revelation 20

The metaphor "thousand years" is used 9 time in the Bible 6 In this chapter. .and every time not as a literal number. In that we are not of the number but rather as those who are learning to walk by faith.

 

[Dino246]

If you do not understand what a parable is as prophecy the signified tongue of God .Our new tongue for getting the gospel out as apostles . How could writing it more coherently help?

Start with writing complete sentences; there is only one here.

You have the word prophecy confused also . limiting it to foretelling.

No; I understand that the word has several meanings. You only demonstrate understanding of one.

There must be a comparison as comparing to. That way a person has something to mix according to the prescription for rightly dividing parable (2 Corinthians 4:18)

There is no comparison in Romans 1:15-17.

It would seem it the prescription that literalist stay away from and rather trust in what they call sign gifts walking by sight as if the kingdom did come by what the eyes see the temporal .

You would do well to stop referring to the abstract "literalist" and start dealing with real human beings. You would also do well to stop making oblique references and start quoting.

That's interesting is that because according to you parables are not prophecy? And sign gifts that come be comparing the things seen to the same is your way of interpreting ?.

Meaningless and ignorant blather.

Who said anything about foretelling one of the functions of prophecy ? Parables reveal as they come along side of the literal. Its what mixing faith as to hearing the gospel is all about.

Scripture is clear that foretelling is one of the functions or kinds of prophecy. As I have previously stated, parables may or may not be prophetic. Once you learn to use words with their intended, contextually-relevant meanings, and stop conflating every use of a word into one meaning, your ability to interpret Scripture rightly will greatly improve.