Ok, Yes, Scripture, which Paul states is "God breathed" and can be relied on as being from God (if we can not rely on scripture as being from God, what can we rely on?)
Yes, Because I trust that it is the word of God, Because God spent a few thousand years speaking through men putting together this word we call scripture to let us know everything he wants to know about him, his plan of salvation, our guilt and need of a savior, and our responsibility as children of God. Oh and future events.
How can this be compared to non scripture?? If God wanted us to know anything more than what he put in his word, he would not have closed the book, but kept adding to his word.
you want me to hold the words of men up to the same category of scripture? Sorry, the jews made this mistake. I will stick to scripture.
Nice try, This is not what I said! I said we should not hold men up as scripture, but test what they say to see if they are from God.
Yes men can teach me, and have, But I test what they say and make sure it lines up with the word of God. I can also take what I believe to others and see what they think, and we can test together to see if it lines up with Gods word.
The common denominator here is scripture. If it can not be proved by scripture it should not even be considered to be from God.
Thats what the jews thought Also. There mistake was they put history ahead of the word.Put historical writings and books of their fathers equal with scripture which was proven to be a HUGE mistake, as Christ mocked them by breaking these man made laws and traditions. These same men crucified Christ; Forgive me if I refuse to make the same mistake
As I said, I do this. But the "majority" does not rule, In fact history shows the "majority" have been wrong almost 100 % of the time.
Look at the NT, If, Paul started the church in Corinth, (he was there for 18 months) He told them who he was, The Gospel. taught the word of God. everything. If the majority would have kept Pauls teachings Pul would not have had to write 2 books to them trying to correct them.
Actually it is preconceived notions which has caused many to misinterpret scripture. Because when they read it, they read it with their preconceived notions and not with an open heart. It hard to for someone to admit they are wrong, or have been taught wrong by those they trusted (I know I went though this when i opened my heart)
Dear eternally grateful,
Those who follow after the spirit of the reformers ("reformers") like Martin Luther follow the traditions and customs of men.
Those who follow "the Bible alone" method get their doctrine of "by the Bible alone" from people like Martin Luther and others who followed after him, after Luther. But Luther ADDED to the Bible, and said "alone" in Romans 3:28. And thus Romans 3:28 contradicts James 2:24 in Luther's "German Bible". And so, Luther wanted to DELETE FROM the Bible the book of James. GO FIGURE. If you follow after the doctrine of "everything I get, I get from the Bible alone", you follow the spirit of a man, Martin Luther, and not the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit, who, through blessed Saint Paul, teaches that not everything true is in the Bible alone, but in the spoken words of the Apostles (2 THESSALONIANS 2:15). In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington
So cleante showed you this? That is funny, I showed you this twice. I guess my words did not mean a thing. Why? Because I do not come from your background so your preconceived notion is that I am wrong?
Anyone but the so called early church fathers you place your faith in?
Your right anyone can err. But when I stand in front of Christ on judgment day, I will not be judged by who I listened to, or what Church I went to. I will be judged by what I believed God to say. If I get it wrong, it is on me, If I chose to listen to people who got it wrong, it is still on me because I did not test.
You know. The roman catholic church makes this same argument. I have found that if our truth is in line with what God says, we do not need to use this excuse. We do not have to defend our church or our beliefs, because our faith is secure.
Paul would not have commanded us to do this if it was a waste of time. If this was not important, God would not have told us to do this.
Yeah your right. But it can cause us to question a church who teaches doctrines which are not proven by scripture. especially when they take on verse out of the whole scripture on which to base their belief in, and the only other things they have to back what they say is outside of scripture sources. (see the jews)
Another aspect of good hermenutics is to look at the historical perspective. If I was dieing, and I gave my best friend charge of taking care of my mother, I would say the same thing Jesus said. To take this to mean anything else is to not know culture of this time. and again would cause one to question the church who takes things out of context to prove a doctrine the so hold to.