Gay Marriage and Homophobia

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Liamson

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Equality has become a religion and an ideology. Thus, it goes by the name of ‘egalitarianism’. It’s not simply about taking notice of things that are equal or trying to make social laws equally just for everyone. It’s about forcing equality on things and people that are not equal and can never be equal. It’s about pretending that a dumb person is really just as smart as an intelligent person by coming up with endless social or historical
excuses for the dumb person’s failures or by redefining intelligence. All sides try to justify their views or position on the basis of equality–one kind or another. So, it’s only natural that the people pushing the gay agenda use the equality argument for ‘gay marriage’. They say gay couples should have equal right to marriage as normal or heterosexual couples do. And, if such is not provided for them, society is evil, wicked, and oppressive.

Of course, equality is not synonymous with sameness. Sameness means that two things are alike. Equality means bestowing equal value to two things which may or may not be alike. For instance, an orange and a tennis ball are not the same, but they can have equal value if both cost $1. But, only a fool would say a tennis ball should be categorized as a food item because its monetary value is equal to that of an apple. They are of equal value but not the same thing.The problem of marriage equality is more serious because gay marriage is utterly valueless. A tennis ball is good for playing and an Orange is good for eating. But, what is ‘gay marriage’ good for? Gays cannot have kids. I know of no child that was born of a man having sex with another man or two women being sexual together. So, homosexuality is not the equal of heterosexuality. A ‘gay family’ is a culturally constructed fantasy as no life can be created by homosexual behavior. Gay people have to engage in heterosexual behavior themselves to create life or they have to adopt children produced by heterosexual unions. So, in a ‘gay family’, the child(though created through heterosexual union) is denied the healthy and normal attentions of a father and mother but instead led to believe that he’s the product of two men sleeping with one another or two women doing much the same together. In other words, ‘gay marriage’ is a pathetic lie. It is not same as real marriage; it is not even equal in value with real marriage. It is a monstrous perversion of the concept of marriage, either for the purpose of undermining the foundations of our civilization so as to bring forth social breakdown whereupon a wholly radical new order will be built OR for the purpose of feeling oh-so-morally-hip-and-narcissistic among airheaded liberals who’ve been brainwashed by pop culture and radical professors into thinking it’s uncool and lame to oppose ‘gay marriage’.

It’s time for Christians to stop being afraid of the word ‘equality’. It’s about time Christians said, “not only is ‘gay marriage’ not equal to real marriage but that the very concept of marriage equality is a really stupid idea.” Marriage has its own meaning, purpose, values, and design. It is what it is according to its needs, purpose, and meaning. It is a form of human relationship with its own set of rules. Indeed, if we are to expand on the definition of marriage, why not call every relationship a form of marriage? Why not call the relationship between employer and employee a marriage? Why not call the relationship between a coach and his players a marriage? Why not call the relationship between a movie director and actor a marriage? After all, ‘marriage’ has been used metaphorically, as in ‘marriage made in hell’, ‘marriage of talents’, etc. Why not turn metaphors into literal meanings? And, what’s with American Idol saying some people sing better? Can’t have that, can we? Why not say all people have the same singing talent and that ‘bad singing’ is actually good singing except that we don’t know it yet because we are badsingophobes?

So rather than posting a bunch of verses about how God sees Homosexuality and Gay Marriage, I thought I would use reason. The People who have engaged in this know which side of the issue God is for, they know what they are doing. But sometimes its up to us to make each other realize just how silly the people who oppose the truth are.
 
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Ok firstly you're saying the only point in marriage is too produce children, so according to you a couple unable to produce children should be unable to marry ? Also you're basically saying the only healthy enviroment for a child is a straight one, mother and father, and of course we all know that every child brought up in a straight family turns out straight -_-' Does that include abusive enviroments aslong as there hetreosexual, it's ok for the father to beat the crap out of his son because he has the loving attention of his mother ? And would you treat a person who wasn't as intelligent as you with distain ? would you segregate them like what happened 50 years ago with black people everyone with a low IQ gets to sit at the back of the bus. Or maybe you think a man with both legs amputated shouldnt be able marry a women with both off hers because their not equal are they ?

Marriage isn't about making kids it isn't about a man and a women its about two people coming together who care for each other, and being legally joined together and then getting a little peice of paper that basically says he/she gets 50% of you're property when you die. Enjoy.

And you talk about going BAMF on everyone about gay marriage and gays but you know whats really gonna happen ? You will be stamped into the dirt. Theres just not enough of you willing to do it.
 
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The bible is very clear about it's position on homosexuality, and gay marriage. Those who deny it prefer man's subjective opinions about morality over God.
 
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I agree gay marriage under a church (that is against it) shouldn't exist, far be it from me to force gay marriage upon them. Gay marriage under the state (civil partnership), I don't see what the problem is. I'll take the subjective opinions of the group I believe is the most objective, in order to distinguish the difference that means i'll have to think for myself.
 
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Liamson

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Also you're basically saying the only healthy enviroment for a child is a straight one, mother and father, and of course we all know that every child brought up in a straight family turns out straight -_-' Does that include abusive enviroments aslong as there hetreosexual, it's ok for the father to beat the crap out of his son because he has the loving attention of his mother ? And would you treat a person who wasn't as intelligent as you with distain ? would you segregate them like what happened 50 years ago with black people everyone with a low IQ gets to sit at the back of the bus. Or maybe you think a man with both legs amputated shouldnt be able marry a women with both off hers because their not equal are they ?
What are you talking about^ here^ ? Beating your children? Children "turning out" straight. Intellegence? Segregation? Amputation? Don't be silly, stick to the points.

Why should the institution of marriage fall prey to everything that wants to call itself marriage. Whether a couple can have children or not, at least a man and a woman makes sense. A man sticking his penis into another man's butt hole(where poop comes out) is hardly the same as the same act that brings life into this world. SO why would we ever try and make them the same?

Sexuality first and foremost has to do with reproduction, Homosexuality is not a form of reproduction. So really its pointless and disgusting.

A healthy environment is a "straight one", the rest is your generalized additions to this. (sic)

"Marriage isn't about making kids it isn't about a man and a woman..." really.... then Marriage could be anything, oh wait I said that already. So if marriage can be anything, then really its nothing.

Ahh BAMF.... well your words not mine.

You haven't really addressed anything I've said. More or less you have become the stereotype that I'm not too pleased with. A person who doesn't have the moral scruples or faculties of reason to recognize the difference between a healthy sexual relationship inside of marriage and one man buggering another man in the closet. Clearly this distinction, between what is normal and what is not, has escaped you.
 
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If you want to play the definition game and give marriage a trademarked meaning, one has to go through the reality that we assign definitions to words based on what a people interpret it as, this can mean several definitions within one word. Aiming to patent a word is nothing more than a PR job. When a religious (although some will object to that word ;)) person say they are married, I interpret as under the church and 'god'. If they're non-religious, I will assume otherwise. If we get into collective language when referring about marriage to the masses, i'd make a distinction between the two to avoid confusion if I meant to distinguish them.

For instance, I could use the word brick to mean shower, I doubt people will understand what I mean, but at that time I gave brick another definition... but in order to communicate I need other peoples acceptance of my language, I don't need everyones exceptance. I couldn't care what the original definition was either as long as I get across what I meant, even if thats meant to confuse and annoy people by stealing their words.
 
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zeroturbulence

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The 1st marriage (which defined marriage): Adam and Eve

The 1st command given to the first married couple on earth: "Go forth and multiply."
 

Hommer

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Sheeesh I hate math but here it goes..........1x1=1 1x2=2 1x3=3 1x4=4 1x5=5 1x6=6 1x7=7 1x8=8 1x9=9................................
 

Liamson

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If you want to play the definition game and give marriage a trademarked meaning, one has to go through the reality that we assign definitions to words based on what a people interpret it as, this can mean several definitions within one word. Aiming to patent a word is nothing more than a PR job. When a religious (although some will object to that word ;)) person say they are married, I interpret as under the church and 'god'. If they're non-religious, I will assume otherwise. If we get into collective language when referring about marriage to the masses, i'd make a distinction between the two to avoid confusion if I meant to distinguish them.

For instance, I could use the word brick to mean shower, I doubt people will understand what I mean, but at that time I gave brick another definition... but in order to communicate I need other peoples acceptance of my language, I don't need everyones exceptance. I couldn't care what the original definition was either as long as I get across what I meant, even if thats meant to confuse and annoy people by stealing their words.
We could go very deeply into some communication theory, some Wittgenstein maybe some Michel Foucault but, the underlying premise is that the language we use is of some actual importance. Marriage, as we know it has to mean SOME-THING. The relationship between my understanding of marriage, has a definition (I'm not real big on definitions, as long as we have a shared understanding) and with that comes the relationship network that stems from that understanding.

If we are going to take this into the Philosophical realm, then 'From such a thing, such a thing comes' applies as well. Just as a tree that bears a type of fruit is defined by that fruit, so is any institution. I will leave you to your own conclusions regarding the direction I'm taking with Marriage vs Gay Marriage.

I did somewhat agree with your previous statement regarding civil unions. These have existed in terms of power of attorney, in business partnerships as well as clandestine affairs for a very long time.
 
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Good post Liamson.
 
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Why can't you just let this die? You're losing the battle. Gay marriage will be legal in America soon. Just lay off an let the homos be happy for once.
 
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Why can't you just let this die? You're losing the battle. Gay marriage will be legal in America soon. Just lay off an let the homos be happy for once.
I wasn't aware that truth was a battle which could be won or lost. It just 'is', and it's certainly not affected by any legislation.

Would you advocate Christians shut up about abortion, since that is legal?
 
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Jullianna

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A very wise man told me a story once about science "advancing" to the point where they could recreate a man from scratch, so a couple of scientists went to tell God that mankind didn't need Him anymore. God smiled. This displeased the scientists, so they challenge God to a man-making contest. The contest began. God reached down and grabbed a handful of dirt. One of the scientists then reached down and grabbed a handful of dirt. Then God said, "No. You have to use your OWN dirt." Contest over.

Who is man to attempt to redefine what man did not create? How foolishly presumptuous. Even man's law recognizes trademarks.

Whether or not "gay marriage" (whatever in the world that could possibly mean) may become legal in the eyes of men, the battle is most definitely not lost. I cheated and read the back of the Book. God wins. Always. No matter what it looks like from our perspective.

How tragic that there are those in the world who are willing to settle for a twisted facsimile of something as precious and holy as marriage.
 
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Sheeesh I hate math but here it goes..........1x1=1 1x2=2 1x3=3 1x4=4 1x5=5 1x6=6 1x7=7 1x8=8 1x9=9................................
lol it took me awhile to get this. :D
 
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A very wise man told me a story once about science "advancing" to the point where they could recreate a man from scratch, so a couple of scientists went to tell God that mankind didn't need Him anymore. God smiled. This displeased the scientists, so they challenge God to a man-making contest. The contest began. God reached down and grabbed a handful of dirt. One of the scientists then reached down and grabbed a handful of dirt. Then God said, "No. You have to use your OWN dirt." Contest over.

Who is man to attempt to redefine what man did not create? How foolishly presumptuous. Even man's law recognizes trademarks.

Whether "gay marriage" (whatever in the world that could possibly mean) may become legal in the eyes of men, the battle is most definitely not lost. I cheated and read the back of the Book. God wins. Always. No matter what it looks like from our perspective.

How tragic that there are those in the world who are willing to settle for a twisted facsimile of something as precious and holy as marriage.
I heard that same story :) In the one I heard, they said they didn't need anything from God and God said "oh really?" Then they said yes and said all they needed was a little dirt and God said "oh really? well, that belongs to me." :)
 
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Jullianna

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Amen, Gabe. :) So does marriage.

It's just heartbreaking that anyone would be willing to settle for less than the wonderful gifts God has for us. Why does mankind sell itself short like that?

Reminds me of when our children are small and we buy them a gift that we know would be so much fun for them, and they play with the box....
 
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Jullianna

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Sheeesh I hate math but here it goes..........1x1=1 1x2=2 1x3=3 1x4=4 1x5=5 1x6=6 1x7=7 1x8=8 1x9=9................................
Hommer, you crack me up. :)
 
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Amen, Gabe. :) So does marriage.

It's just heartbreaking that anyone would be willing to settle for less than the wonderful gifts God has for us. Why does mankind sell itself short like that?

Reminds me of when our children are small and we buy them a gift that we know would be so much fun for them, and they play with the box....
lol thats a good way to put it. I guess when people are left to their own devices they just choose whatever "feels right" to them without really considering how it might affect the total scheme of things. For example people who smoke will often fight for their right to smoke even though it is a deadly habit. They will ignore the fact that it is a known carcinogen because they "feel" that it somehow is adding something positive to their life such as calming their nerves or keeping them from gaining weight.
 
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What about an atheist man and woman who want to get married? that's not sanctified in the lord? how is that better than two men who want to get married THROUGH God?
 
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I wasn't aware that truth was a battle which could be won or lost. It just 'is', and it's certainly not affected by any legislation.

Would you advocate Christians shut up about abortion, since that is legal?
YES! I'm pro-choice.