THE ASSASSINATION OF LAVOY FINICUM

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p_rehbein

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[I know this is old News, from 2016]

I just watched one of the most disturbing Documentaries I have ever seen. Some will remember the standoff in Utah by Ranchers to protest the Bureau of Land Managements unConstitutional control of lands. This was the incident where Ammon Bundy and several others staged an occupation of Malheur National Wildlife Refuge.

Those interested can research and read the various Articles concerning the incident, and agree or disagree with what Bundy and the others did was "civil disobedience" or not, but, I assure you, I find it hard to believe that anyone can watch the Video of Finicum being gunned down as anything other than an assassination.

I will provide several links for you to view to make it easier to realize what happened.

There are certain undisputed FACTS that can not be ignored in this case. The FIRST and most important is that AT NO TIME did ANY of the protesters EVER point a gun at or threaten to harm ANYONE! In fact, they were actually within their 2nd Amendment rights to have the weapons they were carrying. These were the same weapons they carried every day of their lives, and none of them was EVER arrested or even questioned for carrying the weapons.

The "gist" of this horrible incident is that the FBI set up an ambush on a road where Finicum and another man and a woman and an 18 year old girl were traveling on to go and see the County Sheriff to talk about the situation. The FBI executed a traffic stop on Finicum, and he stopped to talk to them. They did order him out of the truck, but he and the three others feared for their lives, and Finicum told them that he was going to see the Sheriff and this meeting had been set up by Law Enforcement and approved, and they had made this trip more than once.

Oregon State Police were responsible for the shots that killed Finicum.

Finicum them drove on to try and get to the Sheriff where he and the others would be safe, but the FBI had set up a road block and when Finicum tried to go around it, they opened fire. Firing two shots. One missed the truck, but the other hit the truck. Finicum stopped the truck and fearing for the lives of the other three, jumped out of the truck with hands raised, and tried to move away from the truck to draw the fire of the FBI away from the other three. He shouted for them to go ahead and shoot him, this is true, but he did so with hands raised and empty!

FACT; Finicum was shot three times IN THE BACK. The first shot hit him on the left side of his back, and he can be seen reaching for where the round hit, but then quickly raised his hand again, and it was empty. Twice more he was shot in the back, and twice more he instinctively reached for where the rounds hit. Finally, he collapsed, and several, several shots can be heard.

The FBI stated that he was reaching for a weapon, and, even though he was carrying a pistol, HE NEVER ONCE DREW IT.......yet they continued to shoot him in the back. I am still sick to my stomach thinking that Federal Agents/Oregon State Police could have acted in such a way. This was murder. Pure and simple. And one of the Agents was even charged with lying about the incident.

There are far too many details for me to go through here, which is why I am posting some of the "links".

FACT: After all of this was over, the Federal Government arrested and put 26 members of the protesters on trial. ALL 26 of the protesters were found NOT GUILTY of the charges against them by a Jury.

LaVoy Finicum shooting: FBI agent indicted, accused of ... - CNN

LaVoy Finicum - Wikipedia

FBI agent indicted on charges of lying about Robert "LaVoy ...

FBI agent acquitted of lying about shooting ... - Washington Post

One thing becomes quite clear and that is when the Government controls the STORY, it will reveal exactly what they want it to. I watched the video shown in the Documentary three times, and tried counting the number of shots, but could not keep up with them. There were far more than eight shots.............far more!

They talk about the weapons that were in the truck............YET there is not ONE REPORT of the other man in the truck or the Lady or young girl EVER displaying a weapon, and NO EVIDENCE that the FBI or State Police even knew they were in the truck.

It is a sad day when actions such as this can be justified by weaving together a story AFTER the incident, a sad day.

People who dispute the 2nd Amendment need to understand that this is a real picture of why the Founding Fathers wrote the 2nd Amendment. So the people would have the ability to defend themselves against a tyrannical and powerful Central Government.

During the ENTIRE STANDOFF, not one Protester ever harmed any other person, or fired one single shot!!!!!!!

The Federal and State Judicial Systems may have whitewashed this incident, but I truly believe the Lord God will have the final say in this matter.
 
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The Lord God put down this wicked rebellion of the Mormon pagans. Do not think that the Lord God will side with pagans. The servants of the government acted prudently when the wicked Mormon pagan tried to reach for his handgun. It was not murder, they did not bear their swords in vain upon this wicked pagan.

He who seeks rebellion, a cruel messenger will be sent against him. ---Proverbs
 
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The Lord God put down this wicked rebellion of the Mormon pagans. Do not think that the Lord God will side with pagans. The servants of the government acted prudently when the wicked Mormon pagan tried to reach for his handgun. It was not murder, they did not bear their swords in vain upon this wicked pagan.

He who seeks rebellion, a cruel messenger will be sent against him. ---Proverbs

oh shut up you false prophet
 
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[I know this is old News, from 2016]

I just watched one of the most disturbing Documentaries I have ever seen. Some will remember the standoff in Utah by Ranchers to protest the Bureau of Land Managements unConstitutional control of lands. This was the incident where Ammon Bundy and several others staged an occupation of Malheur National Wildlife Refuge.

Those interested can research and read the various Articles concerning the incident, and agree or disagree with what Bundy and the others did was "civil disobedience" or not, but, I assure you, I find it hard to believe that anyone can watch the Video of Finicum being gunned down as anything other than an assassination.

I will provide several links for you to view to make it easier to realize what happened.

There are certain undisputed FACTS that can not be ignored in this case. The FIRST and most important is that AT NO TIME did ANY of the protesters EVER point a gun at or threaten to harm ANYONE! In fact, they were actually within their 2nd Amendment rights to have the weapons they were carrying. These were the same weapons they carried every day of their lives, and none of them was EVER arrested or even questioned for carrying the weapons.

The "gist" of this horrible incident is that the FBI set up an ambush on a road where Finicum and another man and a woman and an 18 year old girl were traveling on to go and see the County Sheriff to talk about the situation. The FBI executed a traffic stop on Finicum, and he stopped to talk to them. They did order him out of the truck, but he and the three others feared for their lives, and Finicum told them that he was going to see the Sheriff and this meeting had been set up by Law Enforcement and approved, and they had made this trip more than once.

Oregon State Police were responsible for the shots that killed Finicum.

Finicum them drove on to try and get to the Sheriff where he and the others would be safe, but the FBI had set up a road block and when Finicum tried to go around it, they opened fire. Firing two shots. One missed the truck, but the other hit the truck. Finicum stopped the truck and fearing for the lives of the other three, jumped out of the truck with hands raised, and tried to move away from the truck to draw the fire of the FBI away from the other three. He shouted for them to go ahead and shoot him, this is true, but he did so with hands raised and empty!

FACT; Finicum was shot three times IN THE BACK. The first shot hit him on the left side of his back, and he can be seen reaching for where the round hit, but then quickly raised his hand again, and it was empty. Twice more he was shot in the back, and twice more he instinctively reached for where the rounds hit. Finally, he collapsed, and several, several shots can be heard.

The FBI stated that he was reaching for a weapon, and, even though he was carrying a pistol, HE NEVER ONCE DREW IT.......yet they continued to shoot him in the back. I am still sick to my stomach thinking that Federal Agents/Oregon State Police could have acted in such a way. This was murder. Pure and simple. And one of the Agents was even charged with lying about the incident.

There are far too many details for me to go through here, which is why I am posting some of the "links".

FACT: After all of this was over, the Federal Government arrested and put 26 members of the protesters on trial. ALL 26 of the protesters were found NOT GUILTY of the charges against them by a Jury.

LaVoy Finicum shooting: FBI agent indicted, accused of ... - CNN

LaVoy Finicum - Wikipedia

FBI agent indicted on charges of lying about Robert "LaVoy ...

FBI agent acquitted of lying about shooting ... - Washington Post

One thing becomes quite clear and that is when the Government controls the STORY, it will reveal exactly what they want it to. I watched the video shown in the Documentary three times, and tried counting the number of shots, but could not keep up with them. There were far more than eight shots.............far more!

They talk about the weapons that were in the truck............YET there is not ONE REPORT of the other man in the truck or the Lady or young girl EVER displaying a weapon, and NO EVIDENCE that the FBI or State Police even knew they were in the truck.

It is a sad day when actions such as this can be justified by weaving together a story AFTER the incident, a sad day.

People who dispute the 2nd Amendment need to understand that this is a real picture of why the Founding Fathers wrote the 2nd Amendment. So the people would have the ability to defend themselves against a tyrannical and powerful Central Government.

During the ENTIRE STANDOFF, not one Protester ever harmed any other person, or fired one single shot!!!!!!!

The Federal and State Judicial Systems may have whitewashed this incident, but I truly believe the Lord God will have the final say in this matter.

yeah I saw the same thing some weeks back and it is very upsetting to see what went down

they get away with it again

there will be a day of reckoning even if not on the earth (as you know)
 
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oh shut up you false prophet
It is no prophecy. The rebels were pagans, followers of the demonic religion of Mormonism. The heart of these witches is rebellion. These pagans thought they would rebel against the government and with the force of arms occupied property of the United States of America seeking to steal the land for themselves. The death of this pagan is not a murder for he was armed and made a reasonable attempt to retrieve his weapon rather than surrender. The servants of the government indeed did not bear the sword in vain against the pagan rebel. Praise Lord God for giving justice to our good servants whom defended our country from these disgusting pagan rebels.
 
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It is no prophecy. The rebels were pagans, followers of the demonic religion of Mormonism. The heart of these witches is rebellion. These pagans thought they would rebel against the government and with the force of arms occupied property of the United States of America seeking to steal the land for themselves. The death of this pagan is not a murder for he was armed and made a reasonable attempt to retrieve his weapon rather than surrender. The servants of the government indeed did not bear the sword in vain against the pagan rebel. Praise Lord God for giving justice to our good servants whom defended our country from these disgusting pagan rebels.

you are the pagan

no actual prophet or believer would rejoice in death the way you do as God Himself shows mercy even to Israel who constantly turned their backs on Him and this day..TODAY..is still available for all those who would accept Christ and be saved

shame on you

and no one had a sword ... you are not a prophet and you sound ridiculous

get a life
 

p_rehbein

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yeah I saw the same thing some weeks back and it is very upsetting to see what went down

they get away with it again

there will be a day of reckoning even if not on the earth (as you know)
I do not support the "Militia" movement in any way other than their Constitutional rights........but this was a horrible incident.

ONE POINT NO ONE IN THE MEDIA HAS EVER ADMITTED:

Consider how the Federal/State Law Enforcement treated this person to how they treated the Black Lives Matter people. Who broke more laws? Who did more property damage? Who attacked more innocent people?

I blame the Obama Administration and the Socialist Liberals in the Democrat Party for what happened in this instance and how the BLM people were treated as patriots...........
 

p_rehbein

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The Lord God put down this wicked rebellion of the Mormon pagans. Do not think that the Lord God will side with pagans. The servants of the government acted prudently when the wicked Mormon pagan tried to reach for his handgun. It was not murder, they did not bear their swords in vain upon this wicked pagan.

He who seeks rebellion, a cruel messenger will be sent against him. ---Proverbs
I do not promote the beliefs of the Mormon Church, but the people are STILL Americans, and STILL protected by our Constitution. And, when it comes to God, murder is murder, and it does not matter what the beliefs of the people involved are.

Unless you are suggesting that God wants us to kill Mormons?
 

p_rehbein

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As well, I did not state in the OP that Finicum was NOT a member of a Militia. As well, at one time, he operated a Home for Troubled Boys that was financially supported by Catholic Charities. Guess that REALLY makes it ok for him to be murdered, huh?

According to the High Country News, "the public record on Finicum is thin prior to 2014."[9]

In 2002, Finicum filed for bankruptcy while living in New Mexico and doing business as "Southwest Horse and Trails".[10][11] By 2008, Finicum operated a foster home for troubled boys near Chino Valley, Arizona.[12] According to a 2010 tax filing, Catholic Charities Community Services in Arizona paid the family US$115,343 to foster children in 2009. In January 2016, the state removed all of Finicum's foster children due to his involvement with the armed occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge (discussed below). Finicum said this took away his family's main source of income.[3]



https://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=Awr..._Finicum/RK=2/RS=onG2buMmDUm.7LSHhZyxnEt7gyQ-
 
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I do not support the "Militia" movement in any way other than their Constitutional rights........but this was a horrible incident.

ONE POINT NO ONE IN THE MEDIA HAS EVER ADMITTED:

Consider how the Federal/State Law Enforcement treated this person to how they treated the Black Lives Matter people. Who broke more laws? Who did more property damage? Who attacked more innocent people?

I blame the Obama Administration and the Socialist Liberals in the Democrat Party for what happened in this instance and how the BLM people were treated as patriots...........
I did not understand that you were saying you did support it

it's the whitewashing and lies that is immoral
 
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I do not promote the beliefs of the Mormon Church, but the people are STILL Americans, and STILL protected by our Constitution. And, when it comes to God, murder is murder, and it does not matter what the beliefs of the people involved are.

Unless you are suggesting that God wants us to kill Mormons?
It's not murder, the lawful authorities had a reasonable cause to defend themselves because he was reaching for his pockets which indeed had a gun in them and the wicked Mormon pagan was a member of a rebellious group that occupied American land by the force of arms.

As for your question, don't worry Lord Jesus shall throw all of the accursed pagans into the lake of fire.
 
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you are the pagan

no actual prophet or believer would rejoice in death the way you do as God Himself shows mercy even to Israel who constantly turned their backs on Him and this day..TODAY..is still available for all those who would accept Christ and be saved

shame on you

and no one had a sword ... you are not a prophet and you sound ridiculous

get a life
This is what the Bible says about the accursed false prophet Joseph Smith and his followers. Choose your side wisely.

Galatians 1:8-9

8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
 

p_rehbein

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It's not murder, the lawful authorities had a reasonable cause to defend themselves because he was reaching for his pockets which indeed had a gun in them and the wicked Mormon pagan was a member of a rebellious group that occupied American land by the force of arms.

As for your question, don't worry Lord Jesus shall throw all of the accursed pagans into the lake of fire.
He DID NOT reach for his pocket (left pocket) UNTIL they SHOT HIM IN THE BACK. Each time they shot him, he instinctively reached with his left hand to where the bullet struck him, then immediately put his EMPTY HAND back up in the air.

They shot him in the left side of his back THREE TIMES, he reached with his left hand three times, and EACH TIME he quickly put it back up in the air EMPTY. NO GUN WAS EVER DISPLAYED by Lavoy Finicum!!!!!!

They did not even know he had a gun on him UNTIL HE WAS LAYING DEAD on the ground and then they searched him.
AT NO TIME did he present a THREAT to his murderers.

Just as the three people still in the truck, laying in the floorboard of the back seat did not present a danger as the brave Law Enforcement folks kept firing at them again and again and again!!!!!
 

p_rehbein

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This is what the Bible says about the accursed false prophet Joseph Smith and his followers. Choose your side wisely.

Galatians 1:8-9

8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
You do realize that no one is arguing FOR Mormonism, right? As well, "let him be accursed" will be GODS JOB. Scripture does NOT SAY murder him............ Show me that Scripture, then you have an argument.
 

p_rehbein

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It's not murder, the lawful authorities had a reasonable cause to defend themselves because he was reaching for his pockets which indeed had a gun in them and the wicked Mormon pagan was a member of a rebellious group that occupied American land by the force of arms.

As for your question, don't worry Lord Jesus shall throw all of the accursed pagans into the lake of fire.
You have no idea of the FACTS of this incident..............you simply display hatred for this man because he was a Mormon........... What does Scripture say about those who harbor hatred in their hearts?

HE WAS NOT A MEMBER OF ANY MILITIA or activist group..............
 
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He DID NOT reach for his pocket (left pocket) UNTIL they SHOT HIM IN THE BACK. Each time they shot him, he instinctively reached with his left hand to where the bullet struck him, then immediately put his EMPTY HAND back up in the air.

They shot him in the left side of his back THREE TIMES, he reached with his left hand three times, and EACH TIME he quickly put it back up in the air EMPTY. NO GUN WAS EVER DISPLAYED by Lavoy Finicum!!!!!!

They did not even know he had a gun on him UNTIL HE WAS LAYING DEAD on the ground and then they searched him.
AT NO TIME did he present a THREAT to his murderers.

Just as the three people still in the truck, laying in the floorboard of the back seat did not present a danger as the brave Law Enforcement folks kept firing at them again and again and again!!!!!
He was a whacko bird pagan cultist of a very famous whacko bird pagan cult,= that was part of an armed militia that stormed America's public land under the force of arms, he was a threat just from that alone. Why did he not stop for the good servants of the government? Why did he reach for his pocket instead of surrender? Why did he have a gun in his pocket? The reports and the finding of the courts is that stalwart federal agents acted reasonably. I would note also these agents weren't just some rookies or gungho cowboys, they had been working on this situation very seriously when stuff all went down and I remember it. At the time this was a tight siege of a cult that acquired heavy duty weapons. It could have turned very much worse comparing similar cases with armed cults such as Waco. Dealing with pagan cults is no light matter, the government agents do not bear the sword in vain against the pagans.
 
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You do realize that no one is arguing FOR Mormonism, right? As well, "let him be accursed" will be GODS JOB. Scripture does NOT SAY murder him............ Show me that Scripture, then you have an argument.
That comment is for that one, she wants to support the false prophet by trying to throw slander at me for telling the truth about her lovers the pagan cultists the Mormons apparently. I am merely reminding that I am making no prophecy, this event happened quite some years a go. The real villain is the false prophet Joseph Smith and his deceived children of the Devil whom are pagans, which is a blanket term to mean non-Christians, basically worshippers of idols, demons, and Satan. They will all be accursed, the Lord Jesus's terrible sword shall cut them all down into hellfire, praise Jesus.
 

p_rehbein

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You have zero idea of what you speak about this man.............

the hate in your heart is NOT Christ-like..................

IF you truly believe all you have said here, then why are you not up in Oregon, Utah and Montana killing all the Mormons? IF you believe that's what God wants, then why are you not doing what God wants?
 
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You have zero idea of what you speak about this man.............

the hate in your heart is NOT Christ-like..................

IF you truly believe all you have said here, then why are you not up in Oregon, Utah and Montana killing all the Mormons? IF you believe that's what God wants, then why are you not doing what God wants?
I know what I speak about.

God will kill them and they will die by their own curses because they chose to forsake the only Lord God. This man was a pagan, which is bad enough since it is rebellion against God, but he went further proving his wickedness and made rebellion against the United States of America and it is clear in the Bible that the rebellious will be met with the cruel messenger, they will be struck down by the righteous. The government servants did not bear the sword in vain and were appointed by God to deal with these pagan cults.

Since you want to make it personal, I think you are blinded by your bias against the government to the point that you'll even take the side of the non-Christians. It's in an analogy like taking the side of cults to the idols of Jeroboam when King Josiah, the righteous king in the sight of Lord God, started destroying them from out of the land.
 

p_rehbein

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Your hatred speaks against your profession of being a Christian............enough of you..........you can't distinguish between murder and judgement from God

have a wonderful life full of hate