Refuting The Cessationism Doctrine: Spiritual Gifts, Tongues, Miracles Haven’t Ceased Since Pentecost!!

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notuptome

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Dino246 said:
You dodged the question. Where in 1 Corinthians is the gift of knowledge described as or restricted to the knowledge "to refute the religious leaders and preach the truth of Christ"?

Nowhere in 1 Corinthians is the gift of knowledge defined as the gift of "all" knowledge (13:2 notwithstanding). If you are taught an aspect of organic chemistry (for example), you have received "knowledge" but not "all knowledge".
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Pr 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.

The bible is greater than just one book. The answer is available but you need to search it out. Slothfulness in study is not rewarded.

For the cause of Christ
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Dino246

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notuptome said:
Pr 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.

The bible is greater than just one book. The answer is available but you need to search it out. Slothfulness in study is not rewarded.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
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You dodged the question again. Clearly you don't have the knowledge.
 
Dave-L

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wolfwint said:
For whom then are the land promises?
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Abraham saw them as symbols for heaven. Since all the promises apply to Jesus, they include all nations including Israel and the New Heaven's and Earth.
 
notuptome

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Dino246 said:
You dodged the question again. Clearly you don't have the knowledge.
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No answer is going to satisfy you because you do not seek an answer only to scoff and doubt. You choose not to believe the word of God and that is a choice that makes you content.

For the cause of Christ
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Knowledge is INFORMATION of which someone is aware of,the confident UNDERSTANDING of a subject!
Wisdom is the ABILITY to make correct judgments and decision!




Proverbs 2:6 For the Lord given wisdom: out of His mouth cometh knowledge and understanding.
 
Dino246

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notuptome said:
No answer is going to satisfy you because you do not seek an answer only to scoff and doubt. You choose not to believe the word of God and that is a choice that makes you content.
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You haven't provided any answer at all.
 
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Greetings in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. My name is Marc Strusa and I am an apostle and prophet of the Lord Jesus Christ by the will of God and not of man.

The Lord Jesus Christ wants to use this site during this trial and beyond to bless His people. Unfortunately wolves are being allowed to devour God's sheep here.

There is a vile man named Greggg who is bringing shame to the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and together with his minions he is bullying people into submission or banning those who do not now down.

I have contacted support multiple times but they have not responded. I paid to join so I could contact the leaders directly but despite paying my membership has not been activated.

I've been reaching out to other members but they have mocked me and chosen to turn a blind eye after minimal effort to help

Please go on the app and listen to Greggg for yourselves and then ask the Lord Jesus Christ to guide your response.

Our Heavenly Father wants to bless His people here but Satan's operatives must be expelled first.

Thank you to those who take up this cause. Together with the help of the Lord Jesus Christ we can make this sight great in glorifying God again.
 
Dino246

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JESUSisLORD26 said:
Greetings in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. My name is Marc Strusa and I am an apostle and prophet of the Lord Jesus Christ by the will of God and not of man.

The Lord Jesus Christ wants to use this site during this trial and beyond to bless His people. Unfortunately wolves are being allowed to devour God's sheep here.

There is a vile man named Greggg who is bringing shame to the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and together with his minions he is bullying people into submission or banning those who do not now down.

I have contacted support multiple times but they have not responded. I paid to join so I could contact the leaders directly but despite paying my membership has not been activated.

I've been reaching out to other members but they have mocked me and chosen to turn a blind eye after minimal effort to help

Please go on the app and listen to Greggg for yourselves and then ask the Lord Jesus Christ to guide your response.

Our Heavenly Father wants to bless His people here but Satan's operatives must be expelled first.

Thank you to those who take up this cause. Together with the help of the Lord Jesus Christ we can make this sight great in glorifying God again.
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Please STOP posting your complaints all over this site. Take them directly (and ONLY) to the Moderators. What you are doing is nothing but gossiping.

If I see you doing this again, I will report you.
 
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Dave-L said:
You are not considering the constraints in Acts that show how the Holy Spirit distributes the gifts only through an Apostle's hands. Why did Paul want to go to Rome to give the gifts if they could receive them apart from him? Use all the bible, not just the parts that fit your ideas.
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you have not considered the full word of God and where Jesus never said such a thing. Paul went to Rome Because Jesus said Paul was to speak to Caesar as a Witness I guess you missed that in Acts too?
 
wolfwint

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Dave-L said:
Abraham saw them as symbols for heaven. Since all the promises apply to Jesus, they include all nations including Israel and the New Heaven's and Earth.
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Well, if you read the the Pentateuch, then you find a very gosd description of the land of Israel and his borders on our earth. This was no symbolic and the jews in the past did also understand it not as Symbolic. Before we as follower of Christ will enter new heaven and earth. The jews, ore better said the 12 tribes will have a 1000 year time in peace on earth. And the Lord Jesus will rule on the thron of David. Either on the thron of the heavenly Jerusalem, ore in Jerusalem on earth.
And because you and many others dont believe that, we have to wait till the time reveals it. :)
 
wolfwint

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JESUSisLORD26 said:
Greetings in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. My name is Marc Strusa and I am an apostle and prophet of the Lord Jesus Christ by the will of God and not of man.

The Lord Jesus Christ wants to use this site during this trial and beyond to bless His people. Unfortunately wolves are being allowed to devour God's sheep here.

There is a vile man named Greggg who is bringing shame to the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and together with his minions he is bullying people into submission or banning those who do not now down.

I have contacted support multiple times but they have not responded. I paid to join so I could contact the leaders directly but despite paying my membership has not been activated.

I've been reaching out to other members but they have mocked me and chosen to turn a blind eye after minimal effort to help

Please go on the app and listen to Greggg for yourselves and then ask the Lord Jesus Christ to guide your response.

Our Heavenly Father wants to bless His people here but Satan's operatives must be expelled first.

Thank you to those who take up this cause. Together with the help of the Lord Jesus Christ we can make this sight great in glorifying God again.
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Well, if you would have said, that you are a child of God ore a follower of Jesus and you named the things which are maby wrong with this side, i could understand you. But you introduce yourself as Apostel and Prophet and you let us know that all what you are saying is in the name of God.
I must say, when I hear ore read such an introduction a red light is going on. And I cant believe you!
 
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wolfwint said:
Well, if you read the the Pentateuch, then you find a very gosd description of the land of Israel and his borders on our earth. This was no symbolic and the jews in the past did also understand it not as Symbolic. Before we as follower of Christ will enter new heaven and earth. The jews, ore better said the 12 tribes will have a 1000 year time in peace on earth. And the Lord Jesus will rule on the thron of David. Either on the thron of the heavenly Jerusalem, ore in Jerusalem on earth.
And because you and many others dont believe that, we have to wait till the time reveals it. :)
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The Jews forfeited the land promises time and again. The first generation leaving Egypt failed to the point only two, Caleb and Joshua inherited them. “For all the promises of God in him [Jesus] are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.” 2 Corinthians 1:20 (KJV 1900)

Paul says Jesus is Abraham's Seed the promises apply to.
 
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CS1 said:
you have not considered the full word of God and where Jesus never said such a thing. Paul went to Rome Because Jesus said Paul was to speak to Caesar as a Witness I guess you missed that in Acts too?
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“For I long to see you [the Roman believers], that I may impart unto you some spiritual gift, to the end you may be established;” Romans 1:11 (KJV 1900)
 
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JESUSisLORD26 said:
Greetings in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. My name is Marc Strusa and I am an apostle and prophet of the Lord Jesus Christ by the will of God and not of man.

The Lord Jesus Christ wants to use this site during this trial and beyond to bless His people. Unfortunately wolves are being allowed to devour God's sheep here.

There is a vile man named Greggg who is bringing shame to the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and together with his minions he is bullying people into submission or banning those who do not now down.

I have contacted support multiple times but they have not responded. I paid to join so I could contact the leaders directly but despite paying my membership has not been activated.

I've been reaching out to other members but they have mocked me and chosen to turn a blind eye after minimal effort to help

Please go on the app and listen to Greggg for yourselves and then ask the Lord Jesus Christ to guide your response.

Our Heavenly Father wants to bless His people here but Satan's operatives must be expelled first.

Thank you to those who take up this cause. Together with the help of the Lord Jesus Christ we can make this sight great in glorifying God again.
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How many of your "prophecies" have come true? Any documentation?
 
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1 Corinthians 12:4-11 King James Version (KJV)


4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.

5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.

6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.

7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.

8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;

9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;

10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:

11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.
 
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Dave-L said:
“For I long to see you [the Roman believers], that I may impart unto you some spiritual gift, to the end you may be established;” Romans 1:11 (KJV 1900)
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Paul did establish a church there yes, yes there were believers there yes, and Jesus said when HE called Paul, he was chosen to speak to Rulers. Read in Acts what Pual said when the shipwrecked, and how he was protected from the viper bite on his way to Rome.

Acts 27:22-24

Paul said:

And now I urge you to take [f] heart, for there will be no loss of life among you, but only of the ship. 23 For there stood by me this night an angel of the God to whom I belong and whom I serve, 24 saying, ‘Do not be afraid, Paul; you must be brought before Caesar, and indeed God has granted you all those who sail with you.’ NKJVP
 
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CS1 said:
Paul did establish a church there yes, yes there were believers there yes, and Jesus said when HE called Paul, he was chosen to speak to Rulers. Read in Acts what Pual said when the shipwrecked, and how he was protected from the viper bite on his way to Rome.

Acts 27:22-24

Paul said:

And now I urge you to take [f] heart, for there will be no loss of life among you, but only of the ship. 23 For there stood by me this night an angel of the God to whom I belong and whom I serve, 24 saying, ‘Do not be afraid, Paul; you must be brought before Caesar, and indeed God has granted you all those who sail with you.’ NKJVP
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But why did Paul need to impart spiritual gifts? They already had them. But they like Phillip could not pass them on. Only an Apostle could do this.
 
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SpiritDove05 said:
1 Corinthians 12:4-11 King James Version (KJV)


4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.

5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.

6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.

7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.

8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;

9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;

10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:

11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.
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But only through an Apostle's hands. Giving the gifts was proof of Apostleship.

“God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?” Hebrews 2:4 (KJV 1900)
 
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