Who was "the disciple whom Jesus loved?"

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MOC

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The Gospel of John is the only one of the four which records the statement, "the disciple whom Jesus loved." Most biblical scholars agree that Jesus was referring to John, the son of Zebedee. In recent years some church leaders have added to the list of candidates for this "beloved disciple." Many point to Jesus' "inner circle" of disciples, Peter, James, and John. Some church leaders and biblical scholars want to pin Nicodemus as this disciple, while still others say an unidentified priest who may have lived in Jerusalem at this particular time could have been the man. If we look closer at the text, we may narrow it down to one particular person.

Authorship Unfortunately the text of the Gospel of John doesn't reveal the name of the author. The testimony of early Christian writers are in favor of John being the author of the book. Its quite obvious that if we identify "the disciple whom Jesus loved", then we have revealed the book's author.

Joseph of Arimathea Scholars believe that this man was a member of the Sanhedrin, a court assembly of ancient Israel. The Bible tells us that he was a disciple of Jesus but, "secretly because he feared the Jews." This could be the reason why an author of the book was left out, if it was indeed this man.

Lazarus He is the brother of Mary and Martha of Bethany, and of course the man whom Jesus raised from the dead. John 11:3 Lazarus' sisters came to Jesus saying, "Lord, behold, he whom thou lovest is sick." Also, John 11:36, "then said the Jews, behold how he loved him!" Its interesting to note that the book of John never mentions Lazarus by name after chapter 12. The first time the author mentions this "beloved disciple" is in chapter 13, making it seem that this was no coincidence, as if to say the author was just simply referring to Lazarus in a different way. The other 3 Gospels doesn't mention Lazarus, which makes it a bit odd because the miracle Jesus performed raising him from the dead was remarkable and witnessed by His disciples. One would think it would be included in at least one of the other Gospels.

John, son of Zebedee As mentioned earlier, the Gospel of John is the only one that records "the disciple whom Jesus loved." Something else that is not recorded in the other Gospels is in John 21:20, "which also leaned on his breast at supper." Peter remembered seeing this disciple leaning into Jesus at supper. John 21:23-24 "that disciple should not die.....this is the disciple which testifieth of these things and wrote these things..." This verse is not saying that this disciple would live forever, but may imply a long life and would die a natural death. This verse, many bible scholars suggest, is the one that points to John as being the author.

Final thoughts
It would seem that "the disciple whom Jesus loved" was in fact John, the son of Zebedee. Church history tells us that John lived into A.D. 90's and was the last surviving Apostle. It would seem that John had a special relationship with Jesus, closer than that of the other two in the "inner circle"(Peter, James). Jesus trusted John with the care of His mother, gave John the vision of the transfiguration, and gave him the book of Revelation. For most church leaders and biblical scholars, authorship confirmation comes from John 21:20-24. Peter asked Jesus, "what shall this man do?" and Jesus response, "he shall not die; but, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee?" John is the only Apostle to have died peacefully through natural death or old age.

So brothers and sisters, what do you think?
 

Deuteronomy

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Final thoughts
It would seem that "the disciple whom Jesus loved" was in fact John, the son of Zebedee.

So brothers and sisters, what do you think?
Hello MOC, St. James was the first of the Apostles to be martyred, and as you just said, it was St. Peter who asked the Lord about the man in question, so I agree with you that St. John the Apostle is the disciple whom Jesus loved.

~Deut
 

p_rehbein

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I wasn't aware that this was up for debate........but, then, this is the BDF, soooooooo
 
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Hello MOC, St. James was the first of the Apostles to be martyred, and as you just said, it was St. Peter who asked the Lord about the man in question, so I agree with you that St. John the Apostle is the disciple whom Jesus loved.

~Deut
James is mentioned being martyred by a sword, there are a couple though I’m not completely convinced like Andrew haven’t seen any official documents or passages that mentioned the X cross up side down preached for two days is what I’ve read.

but I find one thing a little odd is the keeping of relics like his supposedly skull, and finger, knee cap etc. in places displayed as shrines.
 

JohnRH

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The Gospel of John is the only one of the four which records the statement, "the disciple whom Jesus loved." Most biblical scholars agree that Jesus was referring to John, the son of Zebedee. In recent years some church leaders have added to the list of candidates for this "beloved disciple." Many point to Jesus' "inner circle" of disciples, Peter, James, and John. Some church leaders and biblical scholars want to pin Nicodemus as this disciple, while still others say an unidentified priest who may have lived in Jerusalem at this particular time could have been the man. If we look closer at the text, we may narrow it down to one particular person.

Authorship Unfortunately the text of the Gospel of John doesn't reveal the name of the author. The testimony of early Christian writers are in favor of John being the author of the book. Its quite obvious that if we identify "the disciple whom Jesus loved", then we have revealed the book's author.

Joseph of Arimathea Scholars believe that this man was a member of the Sanhedrin, a court assembly of ancient Israel. The Bible tells us that he was a disciple of Jesus but, "secretly because he feared the Jews." This could be the reason why an author of the book was left out, if it was indeed this man.

Lazarus He is the brother of Mary and Martha of Bethany, and of course the man whom Jesus raised from the dead. John 11:3 Lazarus' sisters came to Jesus saying, "Lord, behold, he whom thou lovest is sick." Also, John 11:36, "then said the Jews, behold how he loved him!" Its interesting to note that the book of John never mentions Lazarus by name after chapter 12. The first time the author mentions this "beloved disciple" is in chapter 13, making it seem that this was no coincidence, as if to say the author was just simply referring to Lazarus in a different way. The other 3 Gospels doesn't mention Lazarus, which makes it a bit odd because the miracle Jesus performed raising him from the dead was remarkable and witnessed by His disciples. One would think it would be included in at least one of the other Gospels.

John, son of Zebedee As mentioned earlier, the Gospel of John is the only one that records "the disciple whom Jesus loved." Something else that is not recorded in the other Gospels is in John 21:20, "which also leaned on his breast at supper." Peter remembered seeing this disciple leaning into Jesus at supper. John 21:23-24 "that disciple should not die.....this is the disciple which testifieth of these things and wrote these things..." This verse is not saying that this disciple would live forever, but may imply a long life and would die a natural death. This verse, many bible scholars suggest, is the one that points to John as being the author.

Final thoughts
It would seem that "the disciple whom Jesus loved" was in fact John, the son of Zebedee. Church history tells us that John lived into A.D. 90's and was the last surviving Apostle. It would seem that John had a special relationship with Jesus, closer than that of the other two in the "inner circle"(Peter, James). Jesus trusted John with the care of His mother, gave John the vision of the transfiguration, and gave him the book of Revelation. For most church leaders and biblical scholars, authorship confirmation comes from John 21:20-24. Peter asked Jesus, "what shall this man do?" and Jesus response, "he shall not die; but, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee?" John is the only Apostle to have died peacefully through natural death or old age.

So brothers and sisters, what do you think?
A while back I heard a pretty good argument for it being Lazarus. I don't remember the details, but I remember I couldn't think of any Scripture that would refute it.
 

JaumeJ

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Johm, one of the sons of Mary and Joseph...His brother.
 

TheDivineWatermark

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Final thoughts
It would seem that "the disciple whom Jesus loved" was in fact John, the son of Zebedee. [...] It would seem that John had a special relationship with Jesus, closer than that of the other two in the "inner circle"(Peter, James). Jesus trusted John with the care of His mother, [...]
Isn't the bold ( ^ ) just an assumption?

After all, we find the info ^ written in John 19:27... the book that never identifies its author by name, nor this person in this particular scene ("the disciple... whom He loved," at the cross where this was said). ;)

For most church leaders and biblical scholars, authorship confirmation comes from John 21:20-24. Peter asked Jesus, "what shall this man do?" and Jesus response, "he shall not die; but, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee?" John is the only Apostle to have died peacefully through natural death or old age.
To me, this ^ doesn't prove (or give strong evidence) that it was "John".

And, as I see it, this "scene" has an even better piece of... or way of reasoning this out... that is, asking oneself WHY would Peter even ASK such a question? ("what about him?")... for example, if it were Lazarus, the REASON Peter would even ASK such a question is because he would know that Lazarus had already died and already been resurrected not long before this... just for example, I mean.

In this case (IF "L" were indeed the person), one would naturally wonder (since Jesus had just told Peter, "when thou [Peter] shalt be old..." and then it says, "signifying by what death he [Peter] should glorify God") what would happen regarding this particular other guy, because, if it WERE Lazarus (already died then resurrected), he might, seemingly, to Peter's mind, have a destination/outcome WORTH QUESTIONING about in the first place. ;)


That's kind of how I see it. :)

So brothers and sisters, what do you think?
 
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It is the apostle John. He identifies himself at the very end of Gospel of John as the same apostle that Jesus loved.
 
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I agree the apostle Jesus loved was John. But the gospels aren't eyewitness accounts. They are second generation accounts that aren't written by the actual apostles of Jesus.

Who was the young man referred to in the first gospel that was composed, Mark, that ran off wearing nothing but a linen cloth about his waist? When hands were laid upon him he escaped , losing his linen cover and ran off naked. Was that John?

There's another interesting tidbit in scripture as well as pertains to the Cana wedding. Greek Orthodox believe that was Jesus' wedding to the Magdalene. Which is why Mary his mother asked him to help with resupplying the wine when it ran out. A mere guest wouldn't be asked to do such a thing. That being the first recorded miracle of Jesus too.
 
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The Gospel of John is the only one of the four which records the statement, "the disciple whom Jesus loved." Most biblical scholars agree that Jesus was referring to John, the son of Zebedee. In recent years some church leaders have added to the list of candidates for this "beloved disciple." Many point to Jesus' "inner circle" of disciples, Peter, James, and John. Some church leaders and biblical scholars want to pin Nicodemus as this disciple, while still others say an unidentified priest who may have lived in Jerusalem at this particular time could have been the man. If we look closer at the text, we may narrow it down to one particular person.

Authorship Unfortunately the text of the Gospel of John doesn't reveal the name of the author. The testimony of early Christian writers are in favor of John being the author of the book. Its quite obvious that if we identify "the disciple whom Jesus loved", then we have revealed the book's author.

Joseph of Arimathea Scholars believe that this man was a member of the Sanhedrin, a court assembly of ancient Israel. The Bible tells us that he was a disciple of Jesus but, "secretly because he feared the Jews." This could be the reason why an author of the book was left out, if it was indeed this man.

Lazarus He is the brother of Mary and Martha of Bethany, and of course the man whom Jesus raised from the dead. John 11:3 Lazarus' sisters came to Jesus saying, "Lord, behold, he whom thou lovest is sick." Also, John 11:36, "then said the Jews, behold how he loved him!" Its interesting to note that the book of John never mentions Lazarus by name after chapter 12. The first time the author mentions this "beloved disciple" is in chapter 13, making it seem that this was no coincidence, as if to say the author was just simply referring to Lazarus in a different way. The other 3 Gospels doesn't mention Lazarus, which makes it a bit odd because the miracle Jesus performed raising him from the dead was remarkable and witnessed by His disciples. One would think it would be included in at least one of the other Gospels.

John, son of Zebedee As mentioned earlier, the Gospel of John is the only one that records "the disciple whom Jesus loved." Something else that is not recorded in the other Gospels is in John 21:20, "which also leaned on his breast at supper." Peter remembered seeing this disciple leaning into Jesus at supper. John 21:23-24 "that disciple should not die.....this is the disciple which testifieth of these things and wrote these things..." This verse is not saying that this disciple would live forever, but may imply a long life and would die a natural death. This verse, many bible scholars suggest, is the one that points to John as being the author.

Final thoughts
It would seem that "the disciple whom Jesus loved" was in fact John, the son of Zebedee. Church history tells us that John lived into A.D. 90's and was the last surviving Apostle. It would seem that John had a special relationship with Jesus, closer than that of the other two in the "inner circle"(Peter, James). Jesus trusted John with the care of His mother, gave John the vision of the transfiguration, and gave him the book of Revelation. For most church leaders and biblical scholars, authorship confirmation comes from John 21:20-24. Peter asked Jesus, "what shall this man do?" and Jesus response, "he shall not die; but, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee?" John is the only Apostle to have died peacefully through natural death or old age.

So brothers and sisters, what do you think?
Jesus in whom the father spoke through in these last days is the disciple that the father loved fully without limit.

He loves all his children equally. He puts no trust in the flesh of men. He moves men to do his will .

The comparison. He blessed John as a labor of love and had no favor on Judas .His heart remained hard. Just like with Cain and Abel .He blessed or loved Abel the first prophet, martyr. But had no mercy on Cain whose heart remained hard

Now there was leaning on Jesus' bosom one of his disciples, whom Jesus loved.Simon Peter therefore beckoned to him, that he should ask who it should be of whom he spake. He then lying on Jesus' breast saith unto him, Lord, who is it? Jesus answered, He it is, to whom I shall give a sop, when I have dipped it. And when he had dipped the sop, he gave it to Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon.John 13: 26

I think Jesus loved all of the apostles. I don't think it was a statement where we can look for who he loved greatest.