Do you still sin?

Lafftur · Mar 31, 2020

No, but I have been known to backslide......

All my sins have been dealt with and taken away from me by the Blood of Yeshua/Jesus. All my righteousness is filthy rags that I traded with Yeshua/Jesus for His Righteousness which is His Body - I am NOW the Righteousness of God in Christ Jesus. Hallelujah!

I am sealed, baptized and filled with the Holy Spirit. Here's where the FUN begins.....

Every day is a choice to love God and follow Him..... it's very easy if I stay FILLED with the Holy Spirit, however, if I neglect the Gift of the Holy Spirit then my flesh gets stronger and I backslide.

Along comes the Accuser of the brethren - "You're NOT SAVED! You're still sinning!"

Be careful, the Accuser is a LIAR!

I need to stir up the Gift of the Holy Spirit daily and throughout the day by singing songs in my heart to God, reading, studying, meditating on Gods Word - the Bible, fellowshiping with other believers, praying, talking with God about everything...... so that I can walk by the Spirit and NOT fulfill the lusts of the flesh.

Sin is GONE, but my flesh has to be dealt with so, I take up my cross, deny myself (flesh) and follow Yeshua/Jesus.

Truly, born again believers are NOT sinners anymore.

Sinners are lost and condemned without a Shepherd (Yeshua/Jesus Christ) - they belong to and are blinded by the god of this world which is Satan.

There is NO CONDEMNATION for those that are in Christ Jesus - these are born again saved believers that get into trouble with their flesh because they haven't learned to stir up the Holy Spirit within them - they backslide and wander off and the Good Shepherd herds them back into the flock - they ALWAYS have a Shepherd!

Pemican · Mar 31, 2020

1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us.
1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1Jn 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us.

Lafftur · Mar 31, 2020

Pemican said:

True born again believers are NOT sinners. We are Children of the Most High God and we are learning how to walk.

John was reminding them that when they were unsaved sinners, they needed a Savior. They needed the Blood of Yeshua/Jesus Christ to cleanses them from all their sin - the same is true for us and all sinners. No one can deny they need a Savior because all have sinned and if any unsaved say they have not sinned then they are lying.

Rejoice! Our sins are forgiven! We are saved. We can now walk in the Light because His blood cleansed us.

1 John 1:7-10 King James Version (KJV)
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

Even if we now stumble and fall in the Light we are still in the Light - we have a GOOD Shepherd - we do NOT belong to Satan anymore. Sinners belong to Satan, NOT born again believers.

1 John 3:8-9 King James Version (KJV)
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

seed_time_harvest · Mar 31, 2020

Lafftur said:

No, but I have been known to backslide......

All my sins have been dealt with and taken away from me by the Blood of Yeshua/Jesus. All my righteousness is filthy rags that I traded with Yeshua/Jesus for His Righteousness which is His Body - I am NOW the Righteousness of God in Christ Jesus. Hallelujah!

I am sealed, baptized and filled with the Holy Spirit. Here's where the FUN begins.....

Every day is a choice to love God and follow Him..... it's very easy if I stay FILLED with the Holy Spirit, however, if I neglect the Gift of the Holy Spirit then my flesh gets stronger and I backslide.

Along comes the Accuser of the brethren - "You're NOT SAVED! You're still sinning!"

Be careful, the Accuser is a LIAR!

I need to stir up the Gift of the Holy Spirit daily and throughout the day by singing songs in my heart to God, reading, studying, meditating on Gods Word - the Bible, fellowshiping with other believers, praying, talking with God about everything...... so that I can walk by the Spirit and NOT fulfill the lusts of the flesh.

Sin is GONE, but my flesh has to be dealt with so, I take up my cross, deny myself (flesh) and follow Yeshua/Jesus.

Truly, born again believers are NOT sinners anymore.

Sinners are lost and condemned without a Shepherd (Yeshua/Jesus Christ) - they belong to and are blinded by the god of this world which is Satan.

There is NO CONDEMNATION for those that are in Christ Jesus - these are born again saved believers that get into trouble with their flesh because they haven't learned to stir up the Holy Spirit within them - they backslide and wander off and the Good Shepherd herds them back into the flock - they ALWAYS have a Shepherd!

I agree but the word backside to some means the person lost their salvation and I don't believe a person that Is born again by GOD will lose their salvation.

Lafftur · Mar 31, 2020

seed_time_harvest said:

I agree. A better word is "stumble".

Kolistus · Mar 31, 2020

Lafftur said:

If we say we have no sin we are liars, yet those who commit sin are of the devil?

This is one of those texts that have puzzled many, does anyone here have a good explanation?? I have heard some good some bad, from both sides. I have heard some say it means one sin and you're of the devil, which I believe is ridicilous when we look at the totality of the Bible. I have heard others say it means the born again man inside of us is sinless and thats what its talking about, but that also doesnt make sense because it says He that committeth sin, implying a possibility TO sin.

Anyone have any other explanations?

My personal view is that its talking about "In general" as the Scriptures often do, for example, Judas said why dont we give this money to the poor, yet in some gospels its rendered as "disciples", its just their way of speaking.

Rondonmon · Mar 31, 2020

Lafftur said:

We are all sinners by OMISSION or in some cases by choice. There is no such thing as a human who has no sins, we are the sons of the flesh. This is why out Corrupt bodies {1 Cor. 15} can not enter Heaven. This is why Mary {John 20} AFTER the Resurrection, was told by Jesus, TOUCH ME NOT, for I have not yet ascended to the Father {to offer the Sacrifice, which he touching would have DEFILED via Sin flesh}. When Jesus rules for 1000 years men will still be sinners, but by OMISSION only, in other words, I should have stopped by and went the store for Ms X..........instead I went to see a movie etc. But whilst Satan is locked up, men will not DESIRE EVIL. But we still will have our Sin Nature...........Well, not me, I will be in the Rapture before the 1000 year reign, and thus I will have a Glorious body by then.

Lafftur · Mar 31, 2020

Rondonmon said:

What is the penalty of sin? Death.

What Gift has Yeshua/Jesus given us as true born again believers? Eternal Life.

As true born again believers, how can we be sinners?

No sinner will receive Eternal Life, they are under the penalty of sin.

No born again believer can lose their salvation. It is complete in Christ Jesus.

Yeshua/Jesus Christ takes our sin away, we no longer have sin. We no longer are sinners.

As true born again believers, we are no longer sinners, we have become the Children of the Most High God that need to learn how to walk by the Spirit so we do not fulfill the lusts of the flesh.

We need to be filled with the Holy Spirit so we can take up our cross, deny ourselves and follow Yeshua/Jesus.

We are no longer sinners, we are God's children.

bluto · Mar 31, 2020

Lafftur said:

You said this: "Truly, born again believers are NOT sinners anymore." Perhaps you can explain to all of us here why the Apostle John said the following? "My little children, I am writing these things to you that you may not sin. AND if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteousness.

vs2, and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world. 1 John 1:1-2. Now look at 1 John 3:9, "No one who is born of God PRACTICES sin, because (or why?) His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God."

The point is the fact that born again Chritians still commit sin but does not make a practice of sin. There is a saying that says, "If you don't HATE sin there is something wrong with your Christianity." Running around and telling everybody, "I don't sin anymore" is a false message, especially for babes in Christ. So yes, "POSITIONALLY" we are seated with Christ but while were in these wretched bodies we still commit sin.

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

tourist · Mar 31, 2020

bluto said:

You said this: "Truly, born again believers are NOT sinners anymore." Perhaps you can explain to all of us here why the Apostle John said the following? "My little children, I am writing these things to you that you may not sin. AND if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteousness.

vs2, and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world. 1 John 1:1-2. Now look at 1 John 3:9, "No one who is born of God PRACTICES sin, because (or why?) His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God."

The point is the fact that born again Chritians still commit sin but does not make a practice of sin. There is a saying that says, "If you don't HATE sin there is something wrong with your Christianity." Running around and telling everybody, "I don't sin anymore" is a false message, especially for babes in Christ. So yes, "POSITIONALLY" we are seated with Christ but while were in these wretched bodies we still commit sin.

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

Born again believers, while they may occasionally stumble into a sin are not classified as sinners in the eyes of God because Jesus paid the price for their sins. The OP is right on target.

Lightskin · Mar 31, 2020

I’m a sinner.

Lightskin · Mar 31, 2020

Lafftur said:

Semantics

notuptome · Mar 31, 2020

Romans 7:14 ¶ For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

As long as you abide in the body of flesh you will yield to its lusts and temptations. The first person you deceive is yourself. Paul was not immune to the weakness of the flesh. If you think you are not sinning you simply are not close enough to Christ to see how sinful you are.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

John146 · Mar 31, 2020

Lafftur said:

Yes, the Lord took the law away, nailing it to the cross. For example, the law states do not steal. That law is no longer against me. As a believer, if I steal, I am not considered a thief in the eyes of God.

Colossians 2
13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

John146 · Mar 31, 2020

notuptome said:

Romans 7:14 ¶ For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

As long as you abide in the body of flesh you will yield to its lusts and temptations. The first person you deceive is yourself. Paul was not immune to the weakness of the flesh. If you think you are not sinning you simply are not close enough to Christ to see how sinful you are.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Verse 17...remember, the believer is no longer in the flesh. We’ve been circumcised away from the flesh.

notuptome · Mar 31, 2020

John146 said:

Really you are not in the flesh?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

MattforJesus · Mar 31, 2020

Lafftur said:

That is true we are not sinners for all our sins are forgiven, although we may err at times by committing sins but we repent of them which means we do not want them anymore.

A person that has the Spirit would have sins that are not real offensive if they do sin like they might get mad at someone that offended them and yell at them idiot, or some name out of anger, and then quickly repent of it.

I worked for my uncle doing roofing when I was young, and he went to Church, does not swear, and we were on the roof, and people down on the ground working, and my uncle told me to go down to His truck and get some money out of his wallet and go get us something to drink, but I went back up on the roof and said you have no money.

Well he started swearing and hitting the roof kind of hard with his hammer when he was working, for someone on the ground must of stole it, and I do not remember but I am pretty sure they were included in the swearing, and called a name.

It could be that he actually did not have any money in his wallet and thought he did.

But it was because he was mad and it came out as a spur of the moment thing, but he quickly got over it and moved forward and I never heard him swear again.

A person might gossip a little with someone they like because they favor that person and do not want to appear to them as being standoffish to not be involved in the gossip with that person, but usually they will try to minimize the amount of gossip they say, and may be most of the time nodding their head as if they agree for they do not want to offend the person.

But then they will feel bad and not want to do it again, but sometimes they might let someone persuade them to talk like they would not want to talk.

Like be involved in a nasty joke with your brother because you like him so you go along with it but then get rid of it.

They may even cheat on a school test because they did not study, for the reality they may not pass the class or not get the grade they wanted might cause them to do it, but they will feel bad and get rid of it.

Small things like that is what a person of the Spirit might do if they sin, for being led of the Spirit would not cause them to do any sins that are really terrible, and not terrible at offending a person.

Although they may not sin at all for if we hate sin, and do not want sin, by the Spirit we can abstain from sin, but a person led of the Spirit would have low key sins for they are too rooted in the goodness of God, and they would not come up on a frequent basis.

They might argue with their spouse more than they should, or with someone else, for it is the heat of the moment, and then repent knowing they should not act that way.

A person led of the Spirit would not sin by engaging in a big drug smuggling operation.

Or get involved with a gang with whips and chains for a night of rumbling with the rival gang.

Or break in to a house for a little free merchandise when the people are on vacation, and if they were home would not tie them up to rob them.

For a person led of the Spirit if they sin it is low key, and usually a spur of the moment thing that was not planned out but happened on the spot.

They might lust after the opposite sex when they see them walk by for a few seconds, or maybe even a minute.

People led of the Spirit would be conscientious to not offend people although they might if they got mad at them, but if we get mad at them let us not say go to hell like the world, but say go to heaven, but we should not offend anyone.

Gal 2:11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.
Gal 2:12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.
Gal 2:13 And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation.
Gal 2:14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?

Paul got in Peter's face because he was not walking uprightly according to the truth of the Gospel, which Peter had a problem with fearing the circumcision, but Peter stopped doing that.

Peter erred for he feared the circumcision and his fear caused him to err not that he wanted to offend anybody, but he stopped doing that for he had the Spirit.

A person without the Spirit will hold unto sin and believe they still have salvation, but even though they are hypocritical it will not be as bad as the world if they confessed Christ as Lord correctly but they want to enjoy the things of the world like the world which usually results in going by their wants, and neglecting the poor and needy.

Even Jehovah's witnesses who do not claim Jesus as God, but a man of God will still have some goodness for they follow God, but the power is not there to help them overcome the flesh, but they want to represent goodness so they have somewhat morals, but cannot be complete in morals by the flesh alone.

A person that has the Spirit might sin, and at the time they were not led of the Spirit, but they still have the Spirit, and they will get rid of the sin.

Lafftur · Mar 31, 2020

Lightskin said:

For those of us like me who have no idea what "semantics" means:

Semantics is the study of meaning in language. It can be applied to entire texts or to single words. For example, "destination" and "last stop" technically mean the same thing, but students of semantics analyze their subtle shades of meaning.

EleventhHour · Mar 31, 2020

Lightskin said:

Yes you are ... but at least you have one redeeming quality .... you are honest!!

EleventhHour · Mar 31, 2020

Lafftur said:

Does the flesh sin?

Do you still sin?

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