So many anti charismatic smear jobs allowed?

[garee]

You can add a billion scripture to hope your views are correct. But the absolute "TRUTH" of the matter is the Holy Spirit "did not" instruct both Matthew and Mark to say these men were fearful. These were Centurions who are 10,000 times the man you and I both could ever be in facing fears on our own account. Just accept it, YOU ARE WRONG!!

10, 000 or 1?

Why look to them as if you were a grasshopper who puffed them up above that which is written?

Its not that difficult when looking to the foundation of the subject matter.Isiah 28. Without it. it is impossible to establish that law revisited in 1 Corinthians 14.

Stay away from the foundation . . the doctrine of tongues a person could find themselves making a noise without understanding a fall-backward slain in the spirit,

We would not want that, at least I would not. . Would a Christian be identified as those who do perform the work of self edification? As in who needs the law of God when the law of men (oral tradition) has been doing the works of lying wonderments.

Why defend the idea of make a noise without meaning and fall backward. How would that represent the gospel . I would call it the terrible new good for nothing. Another gospel, another source of faith coming from corrupted men.

 

[Dino246]

Thanks Your sound instruction or as it is written??

Fallacy: false dichotomy. You are apparently unable to understand Scripture "as it is written" but instead misinterpret it through a veil of confusion and error.

Yes regularly and commune daily with other brothers and sisters from other sects.

So, no, you don't attend a church regularly. I'm not surprised.

What are the proper hermeneutic tools needed to find the spiritual of understanding hid in parables as prophecy our new tongue?

You're already off the rails and you haven't even started the class.

 

[garee]

Fallacy: false dichotomy. You are apparently unable to understand Scripture "as it is written" but instead misinterpret it through a veil of confusion and error.

It would seem that you are interpreting "it" which represents His faith as if "it" was of myself. He is not confused the veil is rent. We simply defend that as "it" is written . "It" works in us as his power that we do have in these bodies of death .

2 Corinthians 4:13 King James Version (KJV) We having the same spirit of faith, according as it is written, I believed, and therefore have I spoken; we also believe, and therefore speak;

One spirit of belief, as it is written.

The unbelieving faithless Jew used to represent unbelieving faithless mankind.They turned things upside down in that way taking away the understanding of God and giving it as a oral tradition of men .A veil of confusion and error.

 

[garee]

Fallacy: false dichotomy. You are apparently unable to understand Scripture "as it is written" but instead misinterpret it through a veil of confusion and error.

So, no, you don't attend a church regularly. I'm not surprised.

You're already off the rails and you haven't even started the class.

Off your rails?

How did that answer the question? Again. What are the tools given to find the spiritual understanding hid from the lost so that we might seek his approval as obeying the loving commandment to rightly it as it is written . What are the rightly dividing tools ??

 

[Dino246]

It would seem that you are interpreting "it" which represents His faith as if "it" was of myself. He is not confused the veil is rent. We simply defend that as "it" is written . "It" works in us as his power that we do have in these bodies of death .

2 Corinthians 4:13 King James Version (KJV) We having the same spirit of faith, according as it is written, I believed, and therefore have I spoken; we also believe, and therefore speak;

One spirit of belief, as it is written.

The unbelieving faithless Jew used to represent unbelieving faithless mankind.They turned things upside down in that way taking away the understanding of God and giving it as a oral tradition of men .A veil of confusion and error.

You don't even understand the phrase, "as it is written".

 

[Dino246]

Off your rails?

How did that answer the question? Again. What are the tools given to find the spiritual understanding hid from the lost so that we might seek his approval as obeying the loving commandment to rightly it as it is written . What are the rightly dividing tools ??

The rails of orthodoxy, the faith as preached by Jesus, Peter, Paul and others, handed down through 2000 years of church history.

You added a bunch of other stuff to your statement; that other stuff is not biblical, but rather it is the veil of confusion through which you misunderstand Scripture.

You insist that you don't need any human to instruct you, but without one, you're headed deeper into the dense thickets of confusion, error, and heresy.

 

[biker]

To us who believe, the law of the new covenant is written in our heart. Not tablets of stone but the conviction of the Holy Spirit.

To us who Believe, Jesus fulfilled the Law and we are now held by His New Covenant.

 

[biker]

10, 000 or 1?

Why look to them as if you were a grasshopper who puffed them up above that which is written?

Its not that difficult when looking to the foundation of the subject matter.Isiah 28. Without it. it is impossible to establish that law revisited in 1 Corinthians 14.

Stay away from the foundation . . the doctrine of tongues a person could find themselves making a noise without understanding a fall-backward slain in the spirit,

We would not want that, at least I would not. . Would a Christian be identified as those who do perform the work of self edification? As in who needs the law of God when the law of men (oral tradition) has been doing the works of lying wonderments.

Why defend the idea of make a noise without meaning and fall backward. How would that represent the gospel . I would call it the terrible new good for nothing. Another gospel, another source of faith coming from corrupted men.

You clearly have no idea how a Centurion was trained and dealt with. Research the training of a Centurion. It will make us look like children riding on trikes.

 

[Guojing]

hahahahaha OK,

We most definitely believe in the Death-Burial-Resurrection of Christ Jesus our Lord and Savior!
The "Law?"
Well, there are good things about it we could apply to our lives but we as Gentiles have "never" been held to the "Law." So, it's useless to even be concerned about it.

What about the Jews who believe in Christ after Jesus rose again? Are they dead to the Law too?

 

[Guojing]

To us who believe, the law of the new covenant is written in our heart. Not tablets of stone but the conviction of the Holy Spirit.

What about what God told Abraham in Genesis 17? Does he need be circumcised as God instructed him then? What happen if a Jew refused to be circumcised before Christ came?

 

[EternalFire]

What about the Jews who believe in Christ after Jesus rose again? Are they dead to the Law too?

Romans 7:6
"But now we are released from the law, having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code."

 

[Locoponydirtman]

What about what God told Abraham in Genesis 17? Does he need be circumcised as God instructed him then? What happen if a Jew refused to be circumcised before Christ came?

The Jews had the law handed to them by God, failure to obey the law was sin. However obeying the law without faith availed nothing. because I'll be laying the law without faith led to exactly what happened, men created loopholes that allowed them to skirt the law. Jesus rebuked the Pharisees for it, when he said, “Now you Pharisees clean the outside of the cup and of the platter; but inside of you, you are full of robbery and wickedness. You foolish ones, did not He who made the outside make the inside also? But give that which is within as charity, and then all things are clean for you. “But woe to you Pharisees! For you pay tithe of mint and rue and every kind of garden herb, and yet disregard justice and the love of God; but these are the things you should have done without neglecting the others. Woe to you Pharisees! For you love the chief seats in the synagogues and the respectful greetings in the market places. Woe to you! For you are like concealed tombs, and the people who walk over them are unaware of it. ”
Luke 11:39‭-‬44 NASB
https://bible.com/bible/100/luk.11.39-44.NASB

 

[Guojing]

The Jews had the law handed to them by God, failure to obey the law was sin. However obeying the law without faith availed nothing. because I'll be laying the law without faith led to exactly what happened, men created loopholes that allowed them to skirt the law. Jesus rebuked the Pharisees for it, when he said, “Now you Pharisees clean the outside of the cup and of the platter; but inside of you, you are full of robbery and wickedness. You foolish ones, did not He who made the outside make the inside also? But give that which is within as charity, and then all things are clean for you. “But woe to you Pharisees! For you pay tithe of mint and rue and every kind of garden herb, and yet disregard justice and the love of God; but these are the things you should have done without neglecting the others. Woe to you Pharisees! For you love the chief seats in the synagogues and the respectful greetings in the market places. Woe to you! For you are like concealed tombs, and the people who walk over them are unaware of it. ”
Luke 11:39‭-‬44 NASB
https://bible.com/bible/100/luk.11.39-44.NASB

Yep, so would you agree that before Christ died on the cross to make "faith apart from works available to all of us", the Jews had to show their faith in the OT by obeying what God commanded them to do, aka show faith by obeying the Law of Moses?

There is no point in a Jew during the OT telling God "I have faith in you!" but not obeying the Law.

 

[Locoponydirtman]

Yep, so would you agree that before Christ died on the cross to make "faith apart from works available to all of us", the Jews had to show their faith in the OT by obeying what God commanded them to do, aka show faith by obeying the Law of Moses?

There is no point in a Jew during the OT telling God "I have faith in you!" but not obeying the Law.

I don't know, David took the showbread out of the Temple which was illegal.

 

[Guojing]

I don't know, David took the showbread out of the Temple which was illegal.

Well Jews had to sacrifice lamb annually so that would have helped

 

[biker]

What about the Jews who believe in Christ after Jesus rose again? Are they dead to the Law too?

When Christ died upon the Cross, the Father issued Mercy unto the Jews and Grace unto the Gentiles. That made both Jew and Gentile equal in all things going forward when pertaining to what is required for Salvation.

 

[Guojing]

When Christ died upon the Cross, the Father issued Mercy unto the Jews and Grace unto the Gentiles. That made both Jew and Gentile equal in all things going forward when pertaining to what is required for Salvation.

You certainly sound like an Acts 2 dispensationalist so far.

 

[biker]

You certainly sound like an Acts 2 dispensationalist so far.

Can you explain in more detail?
Honestly, I know that Paul said there are no longer Jew or Gentile, and I believe that 100%, because that was the "purpose" of the Crucifixion. To make us one people through Salvation.

 

[Guojing]

Can you explain in more detail?
Honestly, I know that Paul said there are no longer Jew or Gentile, and I believe that 100%, because that was the "purpose" of the Crucifixion. To make us one people through Salvation.

A simple summary:

• Before the cross, faith + keeping the law was necessary for the Jews to be saved, Gentiles were totally left out unless they become Jews
• After the cross, faith in Jesus's dbr is all that is required for both Jews and Gentiles to be saved

 

[biker]

A simple summary:

• Before the cross, faith + keeping the law was necessary for the Jews to be saved, Gentiles were totally left out unless they become Jews
• After the cross, faith in Jesus's dbr is all that is required for both Jews and Gentiles to be saved

^ if that what you posted = Acts 2 dispensationalist, then I would say I am that.