Jesus Christ wants his believer to reach perfection and become completely sinless

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Thessalonian

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The Savior Jesus Christ came to earth...to save sinners...
Whoever says ''I have not sinned,I am not a sinner'' is lying...
whoever...will believe...in the gospel of Jesus Christ and he will ask Jesus for forgiveness...Jesus Christ,in the sametime,will forgive him for all his sins that has done till now...

but...
the sin - the filthy spiritual power of disobedience and of lawlessness...continues to dwell in his carnal body...

surely...Jesus Christ can, if he wants...to immediately remove...the sin - the filthy spiritual power of disobedience and of lawlessness...from the body of man that a little before started to believe...

but...
Jesus Christ respects man's free will...
Jesus Christ wants the believer's permission to remove...the sin and its power...from his carnal body...

some kinds of sins...are very strong sins...they have deep roots...and they desieve the believer very easy...they were and still are...his beloved ''satisfaction'' for many years....

for example
in all his life,before to believe....he was a smoker...or an obese who liked to eat a lot of food...or a flirtatious man who liked to have a lot of sex....
and other kind of sins....

for the disciple of Jesus Christ,the school of liberation from sin...has just begun...
in the school of Jesus Christ...the believer will learn to reject...not only,some sins...but all his sins...and his very favorite sins also...

every time he rejects the will and desire of any sin...it will mean...that he has taken another step of sanctification...

and so each time he will be sanctified more and more....

Jesus Christ wants his believer to reach perfection and become completely sinless...

the devil...and false prophets...and the sin as a deceitful force...
will try...to keep him,in sin...to stop him,of rejecting the sins...

the usual arguments of the false prophets...are...
for example...

''God is love, he understands your weaknesses, he doesn't criticize you, he shows you grace, he allows you to commit the sins you like''

''you believe in Jesus Christ...but you are a human being...you are not Jesus Christ...
as a human being you will also commit sins It is not possible otherwise...''

''do it,only this time...do it,for the last time...do the sin you like...from tomorrow you will stop doing it...''
 
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EleventhHour

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Thessalonian said:
Jesus Christ wants his believer to reach perfection and become completely sinless...
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Only Christ Jesus is Sinless and Perfect and we will never lay claim to a state of "sinlessness" while in this life.

We are partakers of Him and only Him who is perfect.
 
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p_rehbein

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............and, that will happen when He returns and gathers up His Church and takes them to the Kingdom of God. Bodies of earthly flesh can not ever be completely sinless. They can have their sins forgiven and not counted against them through the precious blood of Christ. Unbelievers will die in their sin.
 
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"I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you,
you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing." John 15:5
 
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Is it a sin to think you can choose to be sinless? Even temptation proves you are not.
 
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For we do not have a high priest who is unable to empathize with our weaknesses,
but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are-yet he did not sin.
Hebrews 4:15
 
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Thessalonian said:
Jesus Christ wants his believer to reach perfection and become completely sinless...
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This is true. It is also true that no believer will be sinlessly perfect while in his or her mortal body, from which the sin nature has not been totally eradicated. However, that will happen at the Resurrection/Rapture, when all the saints are glorified and perfected, and transformed into the likeness of Christ.

At the same time, every Christian should be fully aware that God had given His children the indwelling Holy Spirit so that sin SHALL NOT HAVE DOMINION OVER YOU.

Which means that Christians have no excuse for sinning. We are commanded to mortify or crucify or put to death "the flesh" (the sin nature) and walk in the Spirit. See Galatians 5 and other passages. We are also commanded to examine ourselves, confess our present sins, and repent.

Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent... Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth... And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds... Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee... As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
 
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Hello Thessalonian welcome to cc:) Forgive me if I misunderstand I didn't get a lot of sleep last night but are you saying you believe we can be sinless?
 
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We can only desire to be sinless, for it is pleasing to the father. That is why we are appointed an advocate Jesus Christ himself.
Who makes intercession for us. Our high priest.
Learning to seek the kingdom of God and his righteousness should be our hearts desire. Your treasure is found in the desire of your heart.
 
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pottersclay said:
We can only desire to be sinless, for it is pleasing to the father. That is why we are appointed an advocate Jesus Christ himself.
Who makes intercession for us. Our high priest.
Learning to seek the kingdom of God and his righteousness should be our hearts desire. Your treasure is found in the desire of your heart.
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I agree completely. But to be sure did I misunderstand the op?
 
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Dave-L said:
Is it a sin to think you can choose to be sinless? Even temptation proves you are not.
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But Dave, that is what Christ does for us, Christ pays for our sin and wipes them completely away. John the Baptist explained that what we are to do about our sin is through our will, to repent. When we repent we handle our thoughts and will to not sin. Paul explained it so well, Paul said he didn't understand himself, for "what I want to do I don't do and what I hate I do". Paul knew he was human and a sinner, but he also knew Christ made him sinless. But he repented of sin and did not want to sin. We may not go to Christ for forgiveness if we fully intend to repeat the sin.
 
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Maybe some people think that their sins aren't true sins? Maybe they dismiss them as if they are nothing which makes them think they are sinless? Everyone sees things differently but I think it's great when someone can recognise when they have done wrong and repent. I think this is what God asks from us, because He knows our heart and He knows if we are truly sorry for our mistakes.
 
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Jesus Christ, Yeshua, will finish the work He has begun in each of us. There is not doubt however remember always, It is He Who does and completes the work, not we. It will be completed on His Day.

Until His glorious Day we do our part striving to be as much as He as given us. He is doing the work. Believe Him, amen.
 
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Thessalonian said:
The Savior Jesus Christ came to earth...to save sinners...
Whoever says ''I have not sinned,I am not a sinner'' is lying...
whoever...will believe...in the gospel of Jesus Christ and he will ask Jesus for forgiveness...Jesus Christ,in the sametime,will forgive him for all his sins that has done till now...

but...
the sin - the filthy spiritual power of disobedience and of lawlessness...continues to dwell in his carnal body...

surely...Jesus Christ can, if he wants...to immediately remove...the sin - the filthy spiritual power of disobedience and of lawlessness...from the body of man that a little before started to believe...

but...
Jesus Christ respects man's free will...
Jesus Christ wants the believer's permission to remove...the sin and its power...from his carnal body...

some kinds of sins...are very strong sins...they have deep roots...and they desieve the believer very easy...they were and still are...his beloved ''satisfaction'' for many years....

for example
in all his life,before to believe....he was a smoker...or an obese who liked to eat a lot of food...or a flirtatious man who liked to have a lot of sex....
and other kind of sins....

for the disciple of Jesus Christ,the school of liberation from sin...has just begun...
in the school of Jesus Christ...the believer will learn to reject...not only,some sins...but all his sins...and his very favorite sins also...

every time he rejects the will and desire of any sin...it will mean...that he has taken another step of sanctification...

and so each time he will be sanctified more and more....

Jesus Christ wants his believer to reach perfection and become completely sinless...

the devil...and false prophets...and the sin as a deceitful force...
will try...to keep him,in sin...to stop him,of rejecting the sins...

the usual arguments of the false prophets...are...
for example...

''God is love, he understands your weaknesses, he doesn't criticize you, he shows you grace, he allows you to commit the sins you like''

''you believe in Jesus Christ...but you are a human being...you are not Jesus Christ...
as a human being you will also commit sins It is not possible otherwise...''

''do it,only this time...do it,for the last time...do the sin you like...from tomorrow you will stop doing it...''
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If what you said here is true, then those who continue to sins are without mercy and condemn into eternal fire of hell. Then if I may ask, what is the purpose for the blood of Jesus?
 
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Excuse me as I try and think out this subject..
Some children of God still call themselves sinners but His Word has declared that we are new creation, the old has passed away. So how can we still call ourselves what we once were?
If it is sin that stains us, and Jesus has removed our sin, how can we still be called sinful, if the sin has been removed?
If the sin has been removed, are we not then sinless?
 
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We can 'sin less' but never until in heaven be 'sinless'

Even to think about sinning to God is the same as doing it.

He does want us to follow Him, and take up our cross. But that doesn't mean we won't sin again.

G R A C E
 
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chanchuinchoy

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breno785au said:
Excuse me as I try and think out this subject..
Some children of God still call themselves sinners but His Word has declared that we are new creation, the old has passed away. So how can we still call ourselves what we once were?
If it is sin that stains us, and Jesus has removed our sin, how can we still be called sinful, if the sin has been removed?
If the sin has been removed, are we not then sinless?
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To my understanding of the bible, what you said is future ie that w are a new creation......(Vision or Mission or Objective as you may call it). What Iam saying is present, what is happening now.
 
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chanchuinchoy said:
To my understanding of the bible, what you said is future ie that w are a new creation......(Vision or Mission or Objective as you may call it). What Iam saying is present, what is happening now.
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I will look into it more but I believe it is now, the current spiritual reality.
 
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chanchuinchoy said:
To my understanding of the bible, what you said is future ie that w are a new creation......(Vision or Mission or Objective as you may call it). What Iam saying is present, what is happening now.
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Just a very quick check, as I'm cooking dinner hehe.. It very much seems Paul is speaking of the now, not the future...

https://biblehub.com/2_corinthians/5-17.htm
 
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chanchuinchoy

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