Judas Iscariot will sit in throne and judge Israel?
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Joseph the one who wrapped the body and placed it in his own tomb wasn’t selected, what makes you think Paul was the twelveth because he wrote a lot in the NT doesn’t sound plausible just because of writings what about mark or Luke, they contributed as well, do you think it’s the amount that counts?
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I see what you're saying now. I agree. Although Judas was actually possessed by Satan, Jesus’ response to Judas indicated that He still loved him by calling him "friend". Its a sweet gentle consistency that i love about Jesus. He tells us that as long as there is breath in our lungs, there is still an opportunity to choose life.
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Read the comment I was commenting on. I wasn't making a case that Judas was still an apostle. I was making the case that Jesus cad called other people his friends, and that Judas was't a "special friend" or anything by being called "friend" in Matt 26:50. I understand that Judas was lost at that point, he was the "son of perdition" John 17:12
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And Luke the physician and historian contributed 37,932 words to the New Testament the most out of all the writers of the NT.
Info from one place but there’s many Luke wrote the most.
https://apologika.blogspot.com/2014/05/who-wrote-most-of-new-testament.html
Info from one place but there’s many Luke wrote the most.
https://apologika.blogspot.com/2014/05/who-wrote-most-of-new-testament.html
Yea and that was to forfill scripture
Acts 1
20“For it is written in the book of Psalms:
‘May his place be deserted; let there be no one to dwell in it,’ and, ‘May another take his position.’
Proverbs 16:33
The lot is cast into the lap, but its every decision is from the LORD.
Acts 1
20“For it is written in the book of Psalms:
‘May his place be deserted; let there be no one to dwell in it,’ and, ‘May another take his position.’
Proverbs 16:33
The lot is cast into the lap, but its every decision is from the LORD.
I did say "writing any part of the NT makes someone an apostle", But all over the new testament, the fact is clear that Paul WAS as apostle.
The Biblical qualifications for holding the office of Apostle:
1. had be a witness of the resurrected Christ (Acts 1:22); (1 Corinthians 9:1)
2. had to be explicitly chosen by the God (Acts 9:15)
3. had to have the ability to perform signs and wonders (Acts 2:43; 2 Corinthians 12:12)
Only the original 12 and Paul met these standards
The Biblical qualifications for holding the office of Apostle:
1. had be a witness of the resurrected Christ (Acts 1:22); (1 Corinthians 9:1)
2. had to be explicitly chosen by the God (Acts 9:15)
3. had to have the ability to perform signs and wonders (Acts 2:43; 2 Corinthians 12:12)
Only the original 12 and Paul met these standards
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When Jesus said this Judas had not betrayed Jesus yet so it may seem as Jesus is talking about the 12 disciples at that time that would judge the 12 tribes of Israel, which would include Judas.
But it would not include Judas, and is speaking of 12 disciples but someone replaced Judas making 12 disciples.
Joh 13:26 Jesus answered, He it is, to whom I shall give a sop, when I have dipped it. And when he had dipped the sop, he gave it to Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon.
Joh 13:27 And after the sop Satan entered into him. Then said Jesus unto him, That thou doest, do quickly.
Joh_17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
2Th_2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition.
Act 1:24 And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen,
Act 1:25 That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.
Act 1:26 And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.
Judas Iscariot surely could not be included with the other 11, and he went to his own place, and is known as the son of perdition, and an antichrist, and the man of sin in the future will have the antichrist spirit, and would be known as the son of perdition.
Matthias replaced Judas as the 12th disciple, and Jesus said those that follow Him will judge the 12 tribes, which Judas did not follow Jesus but betrayed Him..
But it would not include Judas, and is speaking of 12 disciples but someone replaced Judas making 12 disciples.
Joh 13:26 Jesus answered, He it is, to whom I shall give a sop, when I have dipped it. And when he had dipped the sop, he gave it to Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon.
Joh 13:27 And after the sop Satan entered into him. Then said Jesus unto him, That thou doest, do quickly.
Joh_17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
2Th_2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition.
Act 1:24 And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen,
Act 1:25 That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.
Act 1:26 And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.
Judas Iscariot surely could not be included with the other 11, and he went to his own place, and is known as the son of perdition, and an antichrist, and the man of sin in the future will have the antichrist spirit, and would be known as the son of perdition.
Matthias replaced Judas as the 12th disciple, and Jesus said those that follow Him will judge the 12 tribes, which Judas did not follow Jesus but betrayed Him..
But Paul didn’t write the most Luke did, just because Paul is mentioned as a apostle doesn’t automatically make him the twelveth, Joseph who buried the body was a disciple that didn’t make him the twelveth.
the upper room casting lots that was done to forfill scripture, Paul the apostle had another calling. Not everyone person in the Bible is mentioned as a disciple or apostle that I think your not understanding, was Mary the Magdalene a disciple it doesn’t say she was but I think she was
the upper room casting lots that was done to forfill scripture, Paul the apostle had another calling. Not everyone person in the Bible is mentioned as a disciple or apostle that I think your not understanding, was Mary the Magdalene a disciple it doesn’t say she was but I think she was
It doesn't matter what we think. WE can't call someone an Apostle unless the Word tells us. Otherwise, we're going "beyond what is written".
The 12 were explicitly chosen by God, so was Paul. Unless someone can prove that Prov 16:33 was a prophecy AND that it WASN'T fulfilled by the Roman soldiers concerning Jesus garments AND that it WAS fulfilled by the 11 replacing Judas...then we could continue in that direction of thought.
The 12 were explicitly chosen by God, so was Paul. Unless someone can prove that Prov 16:33 was a prophecy AND that it WASN'T fulfilled by the Roman soldiers concerning Jesus garments AND that it WAS fulfilled by the 11 replacing Judas...then we could continue in that direction of thought.