Making Sense of Matthew 24

[Dave-L]

Rev 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

Even in the third chapter can a person explain how the same temptation shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

But it can happen when the nations come together and say Peace and safety as they work for peace on earth, and Paul said that the saints will not be deceived by that, and Jesus said He will deliver the saints from that temptation.

Rev 6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
Rev 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
Rev 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

This could not have happened.

Rev 9:15 And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.
Rev 9:16 And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.
Rev 9:17 And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone.
Rev 9:18 By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.

This did not happen where a third of the people of the world died, and it would not of happened in the past anyway, for nothing is going to seriously happen like this until the nations come together and say Peace and safety, for that is when they start departing from God, and hindering the Gospel of Christ, and end up rebelling against God so the world then will have trouble, which after they say Peace and safety then sudden destruction comes upon them.

The world does not warrant that kind of punishment yet for the Gospel is still being allowed to be preached in the world without a governing body for the world, and the nations leaders stopping the Gospel.

Rev 10:5 And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven,
Rev 10:6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:
Rev 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

This could of not happened for time still goes on, and the mystery of God should be finished is when all people know of God that He is the Lord Jesus Christ, for the book of Revelation is a revealing of Jesus to the world, and everyone will know the true God then.

Time only applies to this creation for it is a measuring tool of events, and there is no time before this creation, or after it, for time is not a universal principle as some would think, that is why time will be no more.

Rev 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
Rev 11:4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
Rev 11:5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
Rev 11:6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
Rev 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
Rev 11:11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
Rev 11:12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
Rev 11:13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

This could not of happened for when this happens Israel will be in the truth that Jesus is their Messiah, which they are blinded in part now.

Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

This could of not happened for at this time Jesus puts the world down, but the nations still operate now.

Rev 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
Rev 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
Rev 13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

Dan 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.
Dan 7:24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
Dan 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

This has not happened yet for the beast has power over all nations, kindreds, and tongues, that is the whole world, and that kingdom devours the whole earth, and shall tread upon it, and break it in pieces, which the Roman Empire did not do that in the first century, nor after that.

Continued,

The Reformers saw the Papacy as the Antichrist. And the symbolism in the scriptures and not the literal being depicted.

 

[Dave-L]

This is INCORRECT. Matthew 24 gives a logical and chronological series of events from the destruction of the temple in 70 AD to the Second Coming of Christ IN THE FUTURE.

PAST
1. The destruction of the temple at Jerusalem, Jerusalem, and Judah

PAST AND ONGOING
2. False Christs (and false prophets)

3. Wars and rumors of wars

4. Famines, pestilences and earthquakes

5. Persecution of the apostles and Christians. Christian martyrs.

6. The preaching of the Gospel worldwide before the end.

FUTURE
7. The Antichrist and the Abomination of Desolation

8. The Great Tribulation

9. Cataclysmic cosmic events

10. The Second Coming of Christ

11. The ingathering of the believing Jewish remnant.

12. Predictions of the Rapture

If you notice I did not change the passage. Only pointed out the time frame each section referred to. Dispensationalism inserts many false doctrines into it scripture knows nothing of.

 

[Dave-L]

Incorrect, the age ended with the destruction of Jerusalem and the termination of the old covenant which was waxing old when Hebrews was written:

(1 Cor 10:11 Now these things happened to them as an example, and they were written for our instruction, upon whom the ends of the ages have come.)

(Heb 9:26 Otherwise, He would have needed to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now once at the consummation of the ages He has been manifested to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.)

Your thinking contradicts the scripture.

You are confusing the Old Covenant with "age". Age also means "world" and the New Heavens and Earth are the world to come replacing this present evil world.

 

[garee]

As for Dispensationist I cannot speak in their behalf so you should ask them about it. At the same time in that they do reason the seven days(but refer to them as dispensations) is a huge step above those who fail to see them at all and has helped them in it I think. You cannot see this it seems because you miss man's days being one hundred and twenty years or that to God an day is as a thousand years and a thousand years as an day. If so you would see that one hundred and twenty jubilees is six thousand years and then see the ages,days ect.

Mans days one hundred and twenty? Seventy is what the Bible offers.

One hundred and twenty is a different metaphor .It represent the authority of God using the base (12) Zeros that follow after represent a unknown. Like the 144,000.

Twelve the authority of God compared to the same unseen authority . Faith not seen to faith, the eternal understanding.

Thousand years is used 9 times in the entire Bible Comparing the thoughts of God to the same. .It is always used as a metaphor used in the parable. .the signified understanding.

Why would some literalize the signified language the gospel understanding and forfeit the gospel understanding? It is used in the opening statement for some purpose?

Revelation 1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

The little word as in parables speak loud . .it is silenced by those literalist who seek after signs

The thousand years is as if it was a thousand .Not a formula 1 does not = 1000

But rather 1 +1 = 1 Or 1000 +1000 = 2000 twice over

No formula 1 + 0 = 1000

Psalm 90:4 For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.

Ecclesiastes 6:6 Yea, though he live a thousand years twice told, yet hath he seen no good: do not all go to one place?

2 Peter 3:8But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Revelation 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

The metaphor dragon or serpent in that parable above represents the spirit of error, the god of this world . He cannot be bond with lock and chain.

Those metaphors represent the power of the gospel the key described in the opening of that parable(the whole book) . .

Remember without parables Jesus spoke not in the last days .

 

[garee]

There is no "sinless" age to come, the new heaven and earth includes dying and sin:

(Isa 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.)

(Isa 65:20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.)

And the above precisely aligns with what John in his revelation says after the "new heaven and earth" creation:

(Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.)

(Rev 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.)

The problem is in not understanding the nature of the creations. We see that the "old heavens and earth" were created at the giving of the law, none of the above verses are dealing with the Genesis physical creation.

(Isa 51:16 And I have put my words in thy mouth, and I have covered thee in the shadow of mine hand, that I may plant the heavens, and lay the foundations of the earth, and say unto Zion, Thou art my people.)

The "heaven and earth" of Israel was created when God said "thou art my people" and created the Nation. That" heaven and earth" went bye bye in the war of 66-70 AD, when Jesus said it would pass away, yet His words still remain and did not pass away.

This is confirmed by reading the context prior to the creation of the "new heaven and earth"

(Isa 65:15 And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord GOD shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name)

(Isa 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.)

The Jews were slain in the war of 66-70 AD, then came the "new heavens and earth".

Jewish flesh has nothing to do with salvation . The outward corruptible Jew stands in the same place as a gentile appointed to death.

In effect some were slain by the words "It is finished" the demonstration ended. The promised glory came, the graves were opened. Opening the resurrection gate to the new city prepared as His eternal bride the church.

Of his own volition he gave up the strength of the father who worked in Him as the father poured out the wrath .Jesus drank it and called again and again for strength. After the the third time the demonstration moved to another stage of the three day and nights work of the So and the Father establishing the government of peace.The peace that gives us a living hope, beyond all hope. . . . as one of the better things that accompany salvation, the strength to finish ..

Those old testament saint that did have of the born again Spirit of Christ in their earthen bodies their living hope pointed ahead to that earth moving demonstration (graves opened) . the same end "it is finished"we look back to.

Peter was moved to reveal the gospel hid in the old testament or partial testament . . receiving the end from the beginning of our first love (hear God believe God)

Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls. Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. 1 Peter 1: 9-10

Time of trouble (reformation) for them like never before or ever gain . Time of great jubilee for the believer of all nations like never before or ever again . Still doing its wonderful work of forgiving and condemning.

The letter of the law "death" that is bringing the sufferings of hell will be silenced on the last day never to rise and and condemn through corruption (dying) ever again a entire creation .

Remember God created two beginning in the day he created them . The incorruptible is not here. . if we are. What we will be is not reveled .What we will not be is neither male not female jew not gentile.

And it was not 70 AD when Christ declared it is fished . Where 70 AD comes from is a mystery

1 John 3:1Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

It will clearly not be what the eyes see. Jesus said Marvel not but rather believe. Serve the appointed master and Lord not seen walk by faith would seem to be a better idea. .

 

[Dino246]

And it was not 70 AD when Christ declared it is fished . Where 70 AD comes from is a mystery

It's no mystery to those who pay attention to relevant historical events.

 

[garee]

It's no mystery to those who pay attention to relevant historical events.

The Jews as to their temporal the represent the whole of mankind in ceremonies to the world as to that use were destroyed when Jesus said "it is finished"

I am aware of that event as a witness of men . The last words "it is finished" ended the Pagan period of Kings in Israel used as a parable for the time then present . The time of reformation had come and is here .The last days waiting for the last. Spoken of in 1 Peter 1: 9-11 the glory came the graves were opened

1 Peter 1: 9-11Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls. Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

That glory door will stay open until the last day .

He shut the door to the abomination of desolation "Kings in Israel" the house of men made with corrupted human hands and gave that glory to our unseen father in heaven on a high mountain a sign to represent all the kingdoms of the world.

Remember in the last day the father spoke trough his Son moving his Son to perform his will as a written witness of the power that worked in the Son strengthened by the love of Father. A living parable shut the door, shut the matter instore .
It must of been a pleasant work of shaking the dust from his feet. It would seem the apostles had it upside down. They must of thought does he not see the beauty ? lets bring him back in.. (to the abomination of desolation) The father moved it out of the way when the veil was rent .It exposed their nakedness. Not 70 AD

Not will be left desolate . . . is left desolate. To prove it he revealed the blessing will not come until they believe him not by the things of men seen but rather walking by faith the unseen will that works in us with us.

. I would call it the Parable of "making desolate the abomination of desolation". The proper place of the glory hidden waiting to be revealed on the last day . No sign as a wonder.

Mathew 23 and 24 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple. And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down. And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

Signs of the times .The wrath of God being reveled. No sign as a wonder nothing to wonder about .walk by faith

 

[azamzimtoti]

You are confusing the Old Covenant with "age". Age also means "world" and the New Heavens and Earth are the world to come replacing this present evil world.

I'm not confusing anything. You are being inconsistent.

First division from the time spoken until end of world 1-14

“Tell us, when will these things happen? And what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?”

And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached throughout the whole inhabited earth as a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will come.” (Matthew 24:1–14) (NET).

On the one hand you claim that Jesus spoke of the end of the age and then say it means end of the world.

If Jesus meant to imply the end of the world he would have used the correct Greek word Kosmos as used here:

(John 12:19 The Pharisees therefore said among themselves, Perceive ye how ye prevail nothing? behold, the world (Kosmos) is gone after him.)

And by Paul:

(Rom 1:8 First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world (Kosmos).)

So lets continue with your KJV style confusion over the words Aion and Kosmos. If you want Aionios to mean world then how do explain using your KJValism this:

(Eph 3:21 Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.)

The only time you will see in a Lexicon that aion is noted as being "world" is in references to the KJV faulty translation.

 

[Jimbone]

The verse I posted claims, after the Gospel has been presented to all nations and people the end will come.

How do you interpret that verse?

I interpet that verse

The verse I posted claims, after the Gospel has been presented to all nations and people the end will come.

How do you interpret that verse?

Okay I am going to post a bit more than just verse 14 so we can see it before I comment.

Matt 24:9-14
9 “Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. 10 At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11 and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12 Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13 but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

This is not talking about the ages Jesus was speaking of when He said "this generation will not pass away before the end of the AGE".

The end here is the end end, once His Spirit has brought all nations under Him and He presents the redeemed creation to the Father and then dwells with us forever.
Verses 9-13 are speaking of the comingh judgement, verse 14 is all on it's own speaking of the ultimate victory over everything. I believe that verse 14 is summing up the whole purpose of our Kings awesome work, and all life.

Then after this He goes back to speaking more in depth about the AoD and ends with the timeframe ALL THESE THINGS would take place in. Truly tells us.

 

[Dino246]

The Jews as to their temporal the represent the whole of mankind in ceremonies to the world as to that use were destroyed when Jesus said "it is finished"

I am aware of that event as a witness of men . The last words "it is finished" ended the Pagan period of Kings in Israel used as a parable for the time then present . The time of reformation had come and is here .The last days waiting for the last. Spoken of in 1 Peter 1: 9-11 the glory came the graves were opened

1 Peter 1: 9-11Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls. Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

That glory door will stay open until the last day .

He shut the door to the abomination of desolation "Kings in Israel" the house of men made with corrupted human hands and gave that glory to our unseen father in heaven on a high mountain a sign to represent all the kingdoms of the world.

Remember in the last day the father spoke trough his Son moving his Son to perform his will as a written witness of the power that worked in the Son strengthened by the love of Father. A living parable shut the door, shut the matter instore .
It must of been a pleasant work of shaking the dust from his feet. It would seem the apostles had it upside down. They must of thought does he not see the beauty ? lets bring him back in.. (to the abomination of desolation) The father moved it out of the way when the veil was rent .It exposed their nakedness. Not 70 AD

Not will be left desolate . . . is left desolate. To prove it he revealed the blessing will not come until they believe him not by the things of men seen but rather walking by faith the unseen will that works in us with us.

. I would call it the Parable of "making desolate the abomination of desolation". The proper place of the glory hidden waiting to be revealed on the last day . No sign as a wonder.

Mathew 23 and 24 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple. And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down. And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

Signs of the times .The wrath of God being reveled. No sign as a wonder nothing to wonder about .walk by faith

Here's an observation on your (mis)use of English: almost every time you use the word, "as" with other words after it, the sentence becomes word salad. For example, in the above, "I am aware of that event as a witness of men," had you ended your sentence at "event", it would make sense. Adding the words after "event" makes it confusing. Another example you use often: "God is not a man as us". Firstly, "as us" is grammatically incorrect; it should be "as we are". Secondly, there is no need for anything after "man" because everything after is redundant. "God is not a man" is a complete thought, needing nothing else for it to make perfect sense.

Regarding the specifics of your post, your interpretation of historical events is muddled by your misinterpretation of Scripture. There is no "parable of 'making desolate the abomination of desolation'" and "No sign as a wonder". You drag unrelated bits of Scripture together and make mincemeat. You would do well to read a basic book on Christian theology.

 

[garee]

The end of the age is the same as end of ages .You could say under the Sun and moon . The age clock . They will be under the feet of His bride.. Revelation 12.

 

[Dave-L]

I'm not confusing anything. You are being inconsistent.



On the one hand you claim that Jesus spoke of the end of the age and then say it means end of the world.

If Jesus meant to imply the end of the world he would have used the correct Greek word Kosmos as used here:

(John 12:19 The Pharisees therefore said among themselves, Perceive ye how ye prevail nothing? behold, the world (Kosmos) is gone after him.)

And by Paul:

(Rom 1:8 First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world (Kosmos).)

So lets continue with your KJV style confusion over the words Aion and Kosmos. If you want Aionios to mean world then how do explain using your KJValism this:

(Eph 3:21 Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.)

The only time you will see in a Lexicon that aion is noted as being "world" is in references to the KJV faulty translation.

You do not use standard Theological terminology. = Hard to settle on a definition.

 

[azamzimtoti]

You do not use standard Theological terminology. = Hard to settle on a definition.

I see, no answer to your contradictions and inconsistency. I'll give you this, you are consistent in your inconsistency

I'm using bibles that correctly translate the Greek consistently. No such thing as "standard terminology" - even if there was you ain't using it.

 

[Jimbone]

The Jews as to their temporal the represent the whole of mankind in ceremonies to the world as to that use were destroyed when Jesus said "it is finished"

I am aware of that event as a witness of men . The last words "it is finished" ended the Pagan period of Kings in Israel used as a parable for the time then present . The time of reformation had come and is here .The last days waiting for the last. Spoken of in 1 Peter 1: 9-11 the glory came the graves were opened

1 Peter 1: 9-11Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls. Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

That glory door will stay open until the last day .

He shut the door to the abomination of desolation "Kings in Israel" the house of men made with corrupted human hands and gave that glory to our unseen father in heaven on a high mountain a sign to represent all the kingdoms of the world.

Remember in the last day the father spoke trough his Son moving his Son to perform his will as a written witness of the power that worked in the Son strengthened by the love of Father. A living parable shut the door, shut the matter instore .
It must of been a pleasant work of shaking the dust from his feet. It would seem the apostles had it upside down. They must of thought does he not see the beauty ? lets bring him back in.. (to the abomination of desolation) The father moved it out of the way when the veil was rent .It exposed their nakedness. Not 70 AD

Not will be left desolate . . . is left desolate. To prove it he revealed the blessing will not come until they believe him not by the things of men seen but rather walking by faith the unseen will that works in us with us.

. I would call it the Parable of "making desolate the abomination of desolation". The proper place of the glory hidden waiting to be revealed on the last day . No sign as a wonder.

Mathew 23 and 24 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple. And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down. And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

Signs of the times .The wrath of God being reveled. No sign as a wonder nothing to wonder about .walk by faith

An iteresting fact here is when Jesus left the temple here and went to the Mount of Olives, He walked the same path Gods Spirit took when He departed the temple before the exile. Just an interesting consistancy.

 

[Dave-L]

I see, no answer to your contradictions and inconsistency. I'll give you this, you are consistent in your inconsistency View attachment 214624

I'm using bibles that correctly translate the Greek consistently. No such thing as "standard terminology" - even if there was you ain't using it.

Really? The world is a covenant? God so loved the covenant he gave hid only begotten Son?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Really? The world is a covenant? God so loved the covenant he gave hid only begotten Son?

this person does not listen to people to understand them correctly

How can he be trusted to listen to the word of God and understand it correctly

 

[azamzimtoti]

Really? The world is a covenant? God so loved the covenant he gave hid only begotten Son?

No the age of Moses was a covenant, so was the age of Noah. The end of the age was the end of Mosaic age covenant. The Jews were looking for the Messianic age which would conclude the Mosaic age. This is simple biblical understanding.

Jesus appeared at the end of the age, Paul stated the end of the ages had come upon them. The age of Messiah is without end.

(Eph 3:21 to Him is the glory in the assembly in Christ Jesus, to all the generations of the age of the ages. Amen.)

The phrase age of the ages is the nearest to an age without any end that can be expressed using Greek.

Badly Greek translated KJV version, but with the right understanding:

(Eph 3:21 KJV) Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.)

It would be better translated as age without end.

So it's time to get off the pot and decide if the world ends or the age ends.

How can Christ's reign be without end if the world ends?

(Luke 1:33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.)

 

[azamzimtoti]

Really? The world is a covenant? God so loved the covenant he gave hid only begotten Son?

See this is where your knowledge of the Greek underlying the translations fails - the Greek for world is kosmos, which is precisely what is used in the verse you blithely quoted:

(John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life)

John 3:16 Οὕτως γὰρ ἠγάπησεν ὁ Θεὸς τὸν κόσμον, ὥστε τὸν Υἱὸν τὸν μονογενῆ ἔδωκεν, ἵνα πᾶς ὁ πιστεύων εἰς αὐτὸν μὴ ἀπόληται ἀλλ’ ἔχῃ ζωὴν αἰώνιον.

Here, you might find this site useful:

https://studybible.info/search/IGNT/john 3:16

 

[garee]

Here's an observation on your (mis)use of English: almost every time you use the word, "as" with other words after it, the sentence becomes word salad. For example, in the above, "I am aware of that event as a witness of men," had you ended your sentence at "event", it would make sense. Adding the words after "event" makes it confusing. Another example you use often: "God is not a man as us". Firstly, "as us" is grammatically incorrect; it should be "as we are". Secondly, there is no need for anything after "man" because everything after is redundant. "God is not a man" is a complete thought, needing nothing else for it to make perfect sense.

Regarding the specifics of your post, your interpretation of historical events is muddled by your misinterpretation of Scripture. There is no "parable of 'making desolate the abomination of desolation'" and "No sign as a wonder". You drag unrelated bits of Scripture together and make mincemeat. You would do well to read a basic book on Christian theology.

I have read some.

Yes I could of said God is not a human like me rather than He is not a man as us. The as us means like no other kind .He is not a Man of any kind.

I was trying to distinguish the witness of man from that of the two witnesses of God as it is written.The law and the prophets the lively stones .Not dead temple stones that lost their ability to deceive all the nations when the veil was rent exposes there nakedness. No man behind the curtain.

We as lively stones make up the spiritual temple/house, the church as a kingdom of Priest. Why build another dead one ?

And sure there is a living parable. When he walked out that door it was sealed and never entered. "The door of desolation".

The house of desolation left desolate signed condemned. never to rise and condemn the other nations of the world You have not the proper DNA. And the Lord bound him with the power of the gospel the key for a thousands years never to deceive all the nation ever again in that way.

Mathew 23:38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

No more flesh of the Lord as if God was a man wrapped in grave clothes . Name unseen authority .Not in the likeness of mankind

Until a person is given the faith that comes from hearing God not seen no man can see but by faith, the unseen revelation. It reveals to us He is the Christ the Son of the living God. He holds that gospel key that binds and loosens the will of the father .

 

[azamzimtoti]

Yes I could of said

But you should have "said" "Yes I could have said"