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How do you prove this insult using scripture?

We have Calvin's life and those who knew him to give the accounts we need. Grant it, I only accept 1/3 of what is claimed, knowing how people can be with their opinions over facts. But there are enough people, enough accounts, to conclude as I have.
 
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We have Calvin's life and those who knew him to give the accounts we need. Grant it, I only accept 1/3 of what is claimed, knowing how people can be with their opinions over facts. But there are enough people, enough accounts, to conclude as I have.
We have Calvin's life and those who knew him to give the accounts we need. Grant it, I only accept 1/3 of what is claimed, knowing how people can be with their opinions over facts. But there are enough people, enough accounts, to conclude as I have.
Calvin in his own words:

"For what particular act of mine you accuse me of cruelty I am anxious to know. I myself know? not that act unless it be with reference to the death of your great master, Servetus. But that I myself earnestly entreated that he might not be put to death his judges themselves are witnesses, in the number of whom at that time two were his staunch favourers and defenders. But I have said quite enough about myself." Calvin's Calvinism Translated Henry Cole P-346
 
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Seeing the previous fulillment and defining the extent of it are 2 very different issues.
If you look for the meaning of Revelation's symbols, most doing so can see them in history. If you look for green horses or red dragons, you might see them in detox, but never in the real world.
 

miknik5

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When Jesus taught the kingdom is spiritual only. He taught that all the OT kingdom prophecies are symbols and not literal.
ALL the OT prophecies pointed to HIM.

If HE does not wash, one has no part with HIM and still remains unclean...not believing that the OT was the TESTIMONY of JESUS
 

miknik5

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Any third temple denies Christ and his atonement for sin. It is not biblical.
It is certainly in the WORD of GOD...and yes, it certainly denies CHRIST...because those who are blind, still can't understand that every WORD of GOD, in signs and symbols and shadows pointed us TO CHRIST...

The JEW still doesn't see this...which is why they think and believe that GOD wanted a physical house...when THE SON is TO THE FATHER, a SON over HIS HOUSE...and is indeed both the FOUNDATION and HEAD of....THIS....BODY....

They don't even see JESUS is THE ZERUBABBEL (the rock cut out from the mountain, but not by human hands)



To the TESTIMONY....
The TESTIMONY of JESUS...IS....THE SPIRIT of PROPHECY....every word of GOD is a picture, and a puzzle pointing to CHRIST...
 

miknik5

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How can you build Ezekiel's temple without adding to God's word? He doesn't give complete measurements.

The tribulation temple was destroyed in AD 70.

Any future temple rejects Christ and destroys his atonement for sin, returning to animal sacrifices.
How can you claim to be a priest who got around Haggai 2 apart from THE ONE who WASHES and MAKES CLEAN what GOD, by HIS WORD, already declared unclean?

That rejects GOD'S WORD
 
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Deuteronomy 18:19-22

19 And it shall be that whoever will not hear My words, which He speaks in My name, I will require it of him. 20 But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in My name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die.’ 21 And if you say in your heart, ‘How shall we know the word which the Lord has not spoken?’— 22 when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the thing does not happen or come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him.


Kind of hard to use this determination of who speaks in the name of God. If all prophecy is symbolic.

Was Daniel a true prophet? How about Isaiah? or Jeremiah? or the other great prophets.

How about the NT prophet John (revelation)

Well God commanded that if they speak things, and they do not come true. The speak that which the lord did not tell them to speak.

So much for symbolic prophecy!
 
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Calvin in his own words:

"For what particular act of mine you accuse me of cruelty I am anxious to know. I myself know? not that act unless it be with reference to the death of your great master, Servetus. But that I myself earnestly entreated that he might not be put to death his judges themselves are witnesses, in the number of whom at that time two were his staunch favourers and defenders. But I have said quite enough about myself." Calvin's Calvinism Translated Henry Cole P-346


As someone who reads the "intent" of people for a living, Calvin definitely was hiding something!
 

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I believe all of it is future. I believe the seven churches in chapters 2 and 3 are not Christian churches, but churches, Jewish congregations, that will exist during the tribulation.


I did not say that. People are not saved based on whether they hold the correct eschatological view or not, they are saved by confessing Jesus Christ as Lord and believing God raised him from the dead.

They are All Churches, in ASIA MINOR (TURKEY), some of them were started by PAUL himself. They were made of by Gentiles and Jews.


Revelation 1:11 (GW)
11 saying, “Write on a scroll what you see, and send it to the seven churches: Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea.”

They were Seven REAL Churches in the First Century, and now in modern day western Turkey, the are still there as ruins. One of our seniors in our BIBLE STUDY GROUP, just got back from touring the ruins of those seven Churches, just before this Caronavirus got started here in the US. THEY REALLY EXISTED AT THE TIME JOHN WROTE REVELATION. Those Seven Churches where also a picture Prophecies of each type of Church that would dominate through out the various Church ages, and they are listed in the EXACT order that those particular Churches would DOMINATE their Age. We are Now at least half ways through the Laodicean Age, and the Church Age, is about to END.
 
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How can you claim to be a priest who got around Haggai 2 apart from THE ONE who WASHES and MAKES CLEAN what GOD, by HIS WORD, already declared unclean?

That rejects GOD'S WORD
Since Jesus defined the kingdom as spiritual only, this refers to the church symbolically.
 
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It is certainly in the WORD of GOD...and yes, it certainly denies CHRIST...because those who are blind, still can't understand that every WORD of GOD, in signs and symbols and shadows pointed us TO CHRIST...

The JEW still doesn't see this...which is why they think and believe that GOD wanted a physical house...when THE SON is TO THE FATHER, a SON over HIS HOUSE...and is indeed both the FOUNDATION and HEAD of....THIS....BODY....

They don't even see JESUS is THE ZERUBABBEL (the rock cut out from the mountain, but not by human hands)



To the TESTIMONY....
The TESTIMONY of JESUS...IS....THE SPIRIT of PROPHECY....every word of GOD is a picture, and a puzzle pointing to CHRIST...
Animal sacrifices reject Christ and his atonement. Any future temple would claim to be Ezekiel's Temple which calls for literal animal sacrifice. This totally rejects Christ and his atonement. Even to preach such a thing.
 
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ALL the OT prophecies pointed to HIM.

If HE does not wash, one has no part with HIM and still remains unclean...not believing that the OT was the TESTIMONY of JESUS
This is true but you need to recognize the symbolism in OT kingdom prophecies.
 

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They are All Churches, in ASIA MINOR (TURKEY), some of them were started by PAUL himself. They were made of by Gentiles and Jews.


Revelation 1:11 (GW)
11 saying, “Write on a scroll what you see, and send it to the seven churches: Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea.”

They were Seven REAL Churches in the First Century, and now in modern day western Turkey, the are still there as ruins. One of our seniors in our BIBLE STUDY GROUP, just got back from touring the ruins of those seven Churches, just before this Caronavirus got started here in the US. THEY REALLY EXISTED AT THE TIME JOHN WROTE REVELATION.
You believe in permanent salvation, correct? So do I. What do you do with Jesus' statements to the seven churches?

Rev 2:7) He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

Rev 2:11) He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

Rev 3:5) He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

It seems Jesus is saying that these churches must stay faithful, even unto death, to become saved. If they do not, he will "spew them out of his mouth". How does that fit with permanent salvation? Also, the language used in talking to the seven churches is distinctively Jewish. The letters are addressed to the "angel [messenger] of the church at X". There is no such concept for Christian churches. Also, "synagogue," "lampstand," and "candlestick" are used, which are not terms typically used of Christian churches.

Those Seven Churches where also a picture Prophecies of each type of Church that would dominate through out the various Church ages, and they are listed in the EXACT order that those particular Churches would DOMINATE their Age. We are Now at least half ways through the Laodicean Age, and the Church Age, is about to END.
Where does this concept of "various church ages" come from?
 
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I believe it is a far stretch to claim I am the one judging by quoting proofs from real sources.
You need to prove your point using scripture in its original setting. I haven't seen this yet.
 
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AFTER CHAPTER 3 THAT IS. AND I AGREE WITH YOU, that anyone thinks it is in the PAST, cannot be BORN AGAIN.
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This is Historical, that is, the (7) Churches, but it certainly can be looked upon as 'prophetic',
as MUCH of the Scripture is...
(a double meaning & much more)...