This Corona virus pandemic could be the weapon that takes our liberties away , all in the name of saving lives?

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TheIndianGirl said:
Do all of these figures cover the same time frame? If so, what is it? If not, then your comparison is meaningless.
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I dont think anything will help.
What you want to hear is fear and "shelter in place"
That is the robotic programming.
Now the store intercom repeats.
Wear your gloves and masks.
Only essential travel
6 ft distancing
Cough on your arm.

Over and over.

We should all just give in,keep up our baptism of fear,obey the gov,believe msm,and submit to the soon savior vaccine,and push our shopping baskets with a hazmat suit while chanting
Corona kills
Corona kills
Corona kills
 
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EleventhHour said:
Do you think the USA was like this when they went to war in 1941? Or even 9/11

Under adversity a nation should pull together not be torn apart at the seams.

Without a unifying vision/identity a country cannot stand.

The sad thing is all this polarization is exactly what is planned imho!
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Well I wasn’t alive during WWII, but I was for 9/11. I remember it vividly, having lived at the time less than 50 miles from ground zero.

For a scant few weeks we were united in a desire to get the culprits. I can remember many people didn’t want to ask any questions, just nuke Muslim countries and let God sort them out.

But just like this disaster, slowly at first, VERY divergent thoughts and opinions made us to this day divided and fractured.
The first couple of weeks with this crisis we WERE pretty United in desiring, VOLUNTARILY, to keep everyone safe. But as the lies and deceptions mount up, and the blatantly unconstitutional edicts get more and more freedom crushing, the tide may be turning from those who want to give up freedom for an imagined security, to those that are unwilling.

I have to say, your seeming continuous desire to want to reject studies and reports that the disease is far less dangerous than we were at first told, is disturbing. It’s almost as if you got this narrative out there that you are fearful to relinquish. Smells like pride.
 
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tourist said:
...and possibly irreparable financial harm to families and small businesses. The excessive restrictions, some of which make absolutely no sense, has practically destroyed the economy of the United States and other countries as well. For the most part, it's about power and control. Social distancing and self-quarantine are the current politically correct terms.
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Yes, that is correct :rolleyes:

A laissez faire attitude has worked really well in Sweden.
Now they are thinking to lock down Stockholm and you know what, their economy has not fared any better than countries who took aggressive measures and actually it may be worse in the long run according to some analysts.

Power and control .. that is funny!
You know liberty is not anarchy.
 
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PennEd said:
Well I wasn’t alive during WWII, but I was for 9/11. I remember it vividly, having lived at the time less than 50 miles from ground zero.

For a scant few weeks we were united in a desire to get the culprits. I can remember many people didn’t want to ask any questions, just nuke Muslim countries and let God sort them out.

But just like this disaster, slowly at first, VERY divergent thoughts and opinions made us to this day divided and fractured.
The first couple of weeks with this crisis we WERE pretty United in desiring, VOLUNTARILY, to keep everyone safe. But as the lies and deceptions mount up, and the blatantly unconstitutional edicts get more and more freedom crushing, the tide may be turning from those who want to give up freedom for an imagined security, to those that are unwilling.

I have to say, your seeming continuous desire to want to reject studies and reports that the disease is far less dangerous than we were at first told, is disturbing. It’s almost as if you got this narrative out there that you are fearful to relinquish. Smells like pride.
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Pride... nope what I hate taking something from science (virus) and politicizing it, that is just wrong.

My narrative is that we do not know this virus, coming from China makes it all the worse to really know.

We will not really know this virus for at least a year maybe two.
In the meantime.. scientists have needed some time to figure it out... I think that is fair .. Sweden tells us clearly inaction is a problem.

I was raised to not depend on government for anything, and Americans had that mindset once too.. but somehow Government is now "Big Daddy" and guess what..................... you reap what you sow.

In all honesty I do not see how you can disagree with what I have written here, I find it baffling actually?
 
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Absolutely said:
I dont think anything will help.
What you want to hear is fear and "shelter in place"
That is the robotic programming.
Now the store intercom repeats.
Wear your gloves and masks.
Only essential travel
6 ft distancing
Cough on your arm.

Over and over.

We should all just give in,keep up our baptism of fear,obey the gov,believe msm,and submit to the soon savior vaccine,and push our shopping baskets with a hazmat suit while chanting
Corona kills
Corona kills
Corona kills
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If you provided some credible support for what you are saying, that will help.
Well, you cannot or will not answer my question, which was quite simple. So I guess that comparison was meaningless.
 
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EleventhHour said:
Yes, that is correct :rolleyes:

A laissez faire attitude has worked really well in Sweden.
Now they are thinking to lock down Stockholm and you know what, their economy has not fared any better than countries who took aggressive measures and actually it may be worse in the long run according to some analysts.

Power and control .. that is funny!
You know liberty is not anarchy.
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You don’t say...........https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-swedish-experiment-looks-like-it-s-paying-off
 
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EleventhHour said:
Pride... nope what I hate taking something from science (virus) and politicizing it, that is just wrong.

My narrative is that we do not know this virus, coming from China makes it all the worse to really know.

We will not really know this virus for at least a year maybe two.
In the meantime.. scientists have needed some time to figure it out... I think that is fair .. Sweden tells us clearly inaction is a problem.

I was raised to not depend on government for anything, and Americans had that mindset once too.. but somehow Government is now "Big Daddy" and guess what..................... you reap what you sow.

In all honesty I do not see how you can disagree with what I have written here, I find it baffling actually?
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Are you saying we should open everything up, and let people live their lives and be free to choose the risks they want to take?

Cause if that’s what you’re saying, then I agree and apologize.
 
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EleventhHour said:
Do you think the USA was like this when they went to war in 1941? Or even 9/11

Under adversity a nation should pull together not be torn apart at the seams.

Without a unifying vision/identity a country cannot stand.

The sad thing is all this polarization is exactly what is planned imho!
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BTW. Our unifying vision IS our Constitution!!! Which lays out precisely that we can be divided politically.

What we CANT be divided on is our freedoms enumerated in that awesome document.
 
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EleventhHour said:
:D

Okay we can go round and round all day... but my work from home work is piling up on me immensely.

Truce...... because I like you and I like all OSASers always do...... but .. I am out and I am going to stay out ... we will not really know like I said for many months yet to come.
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Fine. But I don’t think we’re at war to need to declare a truce. We have political difference of opinion on the remedies of this situation. That’s healthy.
I never lose sight of the fact that you are my sister in Christ whom I love.
 
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PennEd said:
Are you saying we should open everything up, and let people live their lives and be free to choose the risks they want to take?

Cause if that’s what you’re saying, then I agree and apologize.
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Can you tell me how no restrictions ever is a reasonable course of action for the health care system?

If we went with your model .. then person(s) who have symptoms of the virus should NOT be treated, left to die.. that to me would be the only fair way for that model to work.

People do as they please and reap the consequences of their choices.
 
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Moses_Young said:
Now time to round up all the traitors and incompetent leaders (i.e. leaders who overstepped their jurisdiction and constitutionally mandated limits), and extract from them payment for every loss suffered.

With the traitors, payment in blood would still be getting off lightly for what they deserve.
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Wait, I thought there was no Chinese virus. Why punish the Chinese and/or traitors?
 
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EleventhHour said:
Yes, that is correct :rolleyes:

A laissez faire attitude has worked really well in Sweden.
Now they are thinking to lock down Stockholm and you know what, their economy has not fared any better than countries who took aggressive measures and actually it may be worse in the long run according to some analysts.

Power and control .. that is funny!
You know liberty is not anarchy.
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actually, sweden is not doing that bad, compared to others.

Sweden has 1517 cases per million.

my state , ga, has 1884 per million.

so, I am sure that Sweden has a higher population density than ga. and the state has been locked down for 2 1/2 weeks, many cities for over month.
 
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TheIndianGirl said:
If you provided some credible support for what you are saying, that will help.
Well, you cannot or will not answer my question, which was quite simple. So I guess that comparison was meaningless.
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Translation:
" could you google that for me...I need someone to give me vfc real info..I just believe it is like ...you get it...you die..that is what msm programmed me into"

Ok sure,I will give it a shot
I will punch in the no brainer for you.

Here is one article out of many th he msm WILL NOT TELL YOU.
"""For 98, 99 percent of people, this is going to be a mild illness," Sir Patrick said.

"For a small number this can turn into a serious pneumonia, and for a smaller number again this can lead to death, particularly in the elderly and those who have got other coexisting medical problems."""

I believe that was newsweek.
But there are many out there.
 
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gb9 said:
actually, sweden is not doing that bad, compared to others.

Sweden has 1517 cases per million.

my state , ga, has 1884 per million.

so, I am sure that Sweden has a higher population density than ga. and the state has been locked down for 2 1/2 weeks, many cities for over month.
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So then why are they planning to lock down Stockholm?

Yup working really well alright .. look up John Hopkins dashboard.

Germany 83.2 million >> 49 deaths per million
Sweden 10.3 million >>> 136 per million
 
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TheIndianGirl said:
Wait, I thought there was no Chinese virus. Why punish the Chinese and/or traitors?
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Because if it was manufactured in a lab to murder or maim it is illegal as dropping a bomb ..
 
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gb9 said:
actually, sweden is not doing that bad, compared to others.

Sweden has 1517 cases per million.

my state , ga, has 1884 per million.

so, I am sure that Sweden has a higher population density than ga. and the state has been locked down for 2 1/2 weeks, many cities for over month.
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Actually many people live alone in Sweden that is why they have fared a bit better than another country with the same policy.
 
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I just read an article from a interview with swedish health officials

It said they will reach herd immunity in about a month.

Their current focus is on the elderly.
Their plan included shutting down sports events and other things.
So they appear to be the smart ones.
 
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